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Soy products
May 5 2006 at 2:56 AM Darisha (Login Darisha)
Hi everyone
I am going to post this subject again about soy products not being all they are cracked up to be. If anyone is eating, drinking or using any type of soy in lotions etc please find the time to take a look at this site: http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm
I noticed on a recent thread from Sass that she has added soy milk to her cereal. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I would just like you guys to make an informed decision. Soy products can actually be extremely dangerous. PLEEEEEEEEASE READ!!!!!
Darisha




Sunset
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Thanks Darisha
May 5 2006, 3:01 AM

I am sure this'll be very helpfull.
Have you thought about copying the article and pasting it on the general reference page? That way this thread wont be "lost" in a few days?

I havent read it yet, but will when I have the extra time.

~Have a Wonderful Day!~




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Darisha
May 5 2006, 3:15 AM

Thanks for posting that.When I started this whole BE thing in February,I started to take soy,until I found out a week later that it wasnt good.
That is very helpful information.I knew some of the things why soy wasnt good,but after posting this I now know a little more.THANKS

: ) KEEP SMILIN'!




Molly
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 7:38 AM

I tend to think that if you haven't got any better evidence for your views than the ravings of that crackpot Joe Mercola then maybe you shouldn't post anything at all. You are just scaremongering by posting nonsense from him. Joe Mercola is well known for his unconventional views and most of what he says is not taken seriously by other doctors because his methods are not scientific. Nothing that he says is proven and the available evidence suggests the opposite, that soy is a wonderful health food. Nothing that he says can help anyone to make an "informed decision" because he hasn't got any genuine or scientific information to offer. If you think he's some kind of authority that we should take seriously, maybe you can explain why you think that.



Darisha
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 8:15 AM

So what makes Mercola such a crackpot. I have never heard of him until I saw this website. I was going to add soy into my nbe program but decided to do some internet research first and have decided against it. Mercolas website was only 1 of many websites stating the negatives effects of soy. Perhaps you could have a look at this site too and tell us if these reports are written by a bunch of crackpots: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html
I cannot tell anyone whether or not these claims are real but they certainly got my attention and I would rather be safe then sorry. I wasn't trying to scare anyone just bringing it to everyone's attention. I didn't realise there was so much controversy surrounding the benefits of soy and I'm glad I found these websites, regardless of whether or not they have been scientifically proven. Maybe you could enlighten me as to the motive behind these crackpots trying to warn against soy. I would be very interested to know.
Darisha



Tiger Lily
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 9:04 AM

Soy is a staple food in Taiwan and other Asian countries. It is most important food for breast enhancement. Many women report success in Taiwan with soy, I read girls stories on Taiwan websites about increasing breast size with soy. If soy is not healthy, why does Taiwan people not have health problems? In fact in Asian countries degenerative diseases are less, sometimes only half those in Western countries. Evidence suggests that Western diet is much more unhealthy.



Darisha
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 9:35 AM

It has been suggested by these sites I have looked at, that it isn't so much the soy itself than the way it is being manufactured. Should we just ignore these claims. Yes soy is very beneficial to health in many ways but it seems that the negatives are really outweighing the benefits. I'm not claiming to be any expert on the matter, in fact far from it, but I just don't think I can ignore the hype. Tiger Lily, if you get a chance please have a read of these websites and tell uis what you think.
Darisha



chocogirl
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 2:37 PM

Everyone has to say something wrong about everything!I mean soy is bad,phytoestrogens are bad,chicken is bad,red meat is bad,wine is bad,red meat is bad,carrots are bad,fruits are bad,vegetables are bad,nuts are bad,milk is bad,water is bad,air is bad...everything is cancerous or toxic or I don't know what!One doctor say so and another says the opposite!For God's shake!

My mother went to the best gyno in my country because of some small cysts on her breasts and he suggested eating soya for breast cancer prevention!I haven't heard of many Asians with breast cancer!(I mean in higher rates than Western women).Besides you don't trust eating soya and you prefer taking 3-9gr of phytoestrogens/day from pills and supplements?HA!that's F U N N Y !

Last but not least I am a student of medicine myself and even if I hear sb telling that soya is dangerous there is no way I am going to believe that it is more dangerous than cortizone or so many other drugs prescribed for common diseases!

As a doctor I don't suggest ignoring warnings but not becoming sterilised of everything as long as there is not clear proof of ones theory!In the links they say that soy is dangerous but in other links I can give you it says the opposite!Nature is more dangerous now because of all those toxins and nuclear trials but as long as you check out the quality of your food then it is ok!Has anyone decided not to breathe because the air is polluted or not to smoke?Do you think lung cancer is less severe?I don't think so!


I prefer a millions times to eat soya than taking saw palmetto or fenugreek capsules!And I say so as a DOCTOR too!And because I don't like to ignore warnings even if they are not yet reassured I will consume soy in moderation(every 2 days or so).


If I got ill(I pray not too!) I would never feel guilty for eating soya or carrots like never feel guilty if I got an accident because I have two legs and walk on the streets!With so many pills then I would be 100%sure I would feel guilty and suspicious.

I hope this helped...


PS.I didn't want to sound angry and I am not angry at all to the girls who posted the links!In fact I thank them for wanting to help and protect the rest of us!I am just angry for the confusal there is around us nowadays about everything and people don't know what to believe and what to do!










Alison
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 3:27 PM

Nice post chocogirl. What you say is true, there is a story somewhere for everything we eat and drink saying it's bad for us. If we listened to all these stories, we could never eat or drink anything.

The nexusmagazine article quoted above is not really relevant to the discussion about soy anyway, because it highlights the fact that soy contains phytoestrogens, but all the herbs that people in this forum use contain phytoestrogens. Therefore, according to that article, all the herbs are bad for us, not just soy.



Vicky A
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Re: Soy products
May 5 2006, 5:35 PM

If anyone wants an antidote to the Mercola-Darisha way of thinking you can find it here:

http://www.soya.be/mercola.php

It does not say that Mercola is a crackpot, but it points out that his views are unconventional.

I agree with Alison regarding the other article quoted, the Nexus one, as that is more a slam against phytoestrogens than against soy. There is nothing there that really singles soy out as unique in any way.



Darisha
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Re: Soy products
May 6 2006, 12:51 AM

You obviously didn't read the whole article but I don't really care. I know there are people that would at least want to know about this even if the claims aren't true. I'm sorry but I don't hold a great deal of faith in doctors as healers. They are drug prescibers for symptoms for other underlying problems. But that is just MY opinion. When I had severe morning sickness with my pregnancies a doctor prescribed antihistamines even though there was speculation on it's safeness during pregnancy. After telling him my concerns he told me that there was NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support these claims. Does this mean I was going to take the chance on my unborn child? I don't think so. But good luck to you; I'm not willing to ingore these claims at this stage.
Darisha



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jelly's opinion.
May 6 2006, 2:00 AM

hi girls, first of all im surrounded by asian women in my enviroment who all eat lotssssss!!!!! of soy and i can tell you they are old and healthy !!!!!,secondly I think the biggest problen that we have at least in australia is genetically modified food soy being one of them. that makes all the difference between a safe and unsafe product ... love jelly....



Andreina
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Re: Soy products
May 6 2006, 7:31 AM

I am a medical student and have just finished reading a study which concluded that eating soy daily will reduce your heart attack risk by 25%. Heart attacks are the biggest killer in the Western world, so anyone in the West adding soy to their diet would be making a smart move.



Darisha
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Re: Soy products
May 6 2006, 9:03 AM

Has the study been scientifically proven???????What makes one study more real and superior over another study? There are obviously studies that promote the benefits of soy and there are studies that negate the benefits of soy. Which one should we believe? I think it is just a matter of what each of us CHOOSE to believe.
Darisha



Iwant34D
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Re: Soy products
May 6 2006, 2:54 PM

I am asian and everyone I know eats lots of soy for years without health problemz!

U say u don't trust doctorz but u trust Dr.Mercola!u don't trust raw food but u trust pillz (with recommended doses by doctors) like saw palmetto and fenugreek?


some links on soy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...med_docsum




http://www.talksoy.com/Health/Developments.htm


Gitlz, consume everything with moderation if u r afraid!



Darisha
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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 1:14 AM

I never said I trusted Dr Mercola. He is not the only one that is making these claims about soy. I am choosing to take caution with soy as there are positives AND negatives. If you all must know I used to drink soy milk a few years ago thinking it was good for me. I drank it for years. But then 18 months ago I was diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder for no apparent reason which led me to take antidepressants (even though I wasn't depressed). There was something wrong with my stomach and was getting diarrhea all the time. I have only recently stopped taking antidepressants and am feeling much better. It has just made me wonder, after reading these articles, if the soy may have had something to do with it. One of the articles state that even though there is a lower incidence of breast and ovarian cancer among asian women but the incidence of stomach, pancreas, and liver cancer is a lot higher. I do believe that soy has real health benefits but I am maybe thinking now that it also has some serious concerns. I am only asking everyone to read the 2 websites I have listed. I am not telling everyone not to eat or drink soy. After all, people can make up their own mind whether they take the information on board or not. I have an open mind to things that aren't necessarily 'scientifically proven' which is why I am trying nbe. Or is nbe scientifically proven?? I am surprised these medical students are even giving it a go. After all there is no scientific proof that is works.
Darisha




Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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Is this what she gets
May 7 2006, 3:30 AM

For trying tobe helpful??????
I don't know if I want to get into to this but COME ON LAdies!!!!!
Darisha saw a web site that really alarmed her And all she was trying to do is WARN YOU!!!!!! because she CARES!!!!! She wasnt telling you to do anything. She was just telling you about an artical she read And it Scared her FOR YOU!!!!! Is this what she gets for careing????? Everybody's body's are different as in ALLERGIC reactions to some things some and alot of people's body's just can't handle some thing's. Take milk for instance IS MILK BAD FOR YOU???? No not for some people MY son is allergic to it. I can't eat Strawberries. INFACT if I eat to many of them I could DIE!!!!. THINK LADIES!!!!! Lisaxxxxx



BJ
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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 3:48 AM

Wow, the past couple of days have been a bunch of fueds on here and it seems like those are the only posts lately. What happened to our fun, helpful, friendly forum??




Lisa xsxsxs :-)
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May 7 2006, 4:04 AM

I didnt want to get involved but they just all gang piled Darisha I couldnt help it. That's one of the reasons I havent been on is all the disagreements seems like everyone want's to get 1 up and when they should be helping each other that's what this forum is for What happened??? Lisaxxxxx



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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 4:24 AM

Hey Darisha,my gosh I'm sorry I even mentioned taking soy! Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely have to read on it...

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Ladies be patience..
May 7 2006, 7:11 AM

What Lisa is saying is right. Darisha is just trying to help some people who might have the same problem as she do. This is suppose to be a friendly forum and suppose to help each other on NBE. Where does all the spirits goes? Take it easy. We don't need to condemn each other. As I am sure Darisha don't mean any harm at all.

We are big enough to think what is best for our own body. And as far as consuming. Anything moderate is good. If you take more than that, it won't be good for the body. Like a phrase, an apple a day will make a doctor go away. But if you take more than that, for example 4 or 5 a day. I think you are the one will look for a doctor.

I hope this will help to make things better..



jellyboobs
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HEY DARISHA I'M NOT GANGING UP ON YOU
May 7 2006, 7:55 AM

how are you ???? Lisa was concerned girls were ganging up on you !!!?? hey my names up ther and i want to CLARIFY i'm definately not ganging up on you or anyone !!!! i just calmly added what life experience has taught me !!!! and i am so concerned about genetic engineering in oz !!!! hope your ok love jelly....




Anonymous
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oh no jelly!!!!!
May 7 2006, 7:59 AM

I didnt mean you!!!!! But i do think some of these girls knows who im talkin about Luv's Lisaxxxx



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thankyou lisa its ok love jelly.....
May 7 2006, 8:09 AM





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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 9:15 AM

There are good and bad things about every foodstuff. As Chocogirl has rightly said, there is practically nothing we can eat or drink that is regarded as totally safe. I don't know why some people get upset at having this pointed out. The general view about soy is that anyone who eats soy foods in moderation does not need to be concerned with any possible dangers and traditional soy supplements are also fine. The concern is really about people who consume heavily-processed soy such as soy protein products and people who consume high amounts of soy under the impression that it's a health food and the more you eat the better.



Anonymous
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!
May 7 2006, 9:30 AM

THIS FORUM IS ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE SAME GOALS NBE WEVE ALL HAD OUR SAY ON SOY. SO UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL READ THAT MIGHT HELP US JUST A LITTLE MORE ON OUR BOOB QUEST CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON FROM THIS TOPIC !!!! LETS HEAR THOSE GREAT POSATIVE VIBES THAT WE ARE SO GOOD AT SENDING EACHOTHER YOU GIRLS ARE SO GOOD AT THAT !!! NOW LETS MOVE ON LOVE OLD AUNT JELLY......



Andreina
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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 12:03 PM

The study I was referring to shows soy to lower cholesterol levels by an amount which would equate to a 25% reduced risk of a heart attack. You can say this is scientifically proven because there are dozens of clinical studies showing similar results and concluding that soy is good for your heart. In the US the FDA even allows soy products to have a "healthy for your heart" claim on their labels.



SugarQ
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Re: Soy products
May 7 2006, 8:19 PM

i dont want to cause some crazy debate cause wither soy works for NBE is still a big question mark and women just pick and choose their herbs and hope for the best.

now im not surpised that Asian women think that it helps with NBE. 1) its a strong phyoestrogen so it will affect hormone levels very easily 2) Asian women consume alot of it. now with that, how can anyone say that its good at NBE amoung Asains when alot of asian women have it as a stable in their dietes anyways. there is a control veriable but no manipulative varibles to verify. Asain women also dont really have the largest cupsizes in the world. i believe they are consideres to be the smallest.so im not convinced right away soy really is a major factor in cases of NBE where soy is consumed often and in generous doses. sorry, i dont want to offend anyone and im only speaking from stats i saw a while ago but i could be wrong there. if anyone have actual numbers from a study to add please pull them out.


im not completely throwing soy out the window but i dont think its a very efficient at causing NBE. it may help through balancing estrogen levels but every women have different body chemistries and hormone levels and needs so i consider it luck that soy can be taken and cause NBE (on its own)and hit just the right balace to cause NBE time and time again for many different women. now there are some women here who took it and had success but i would consider tha coincience until more cases of success comes in. plus most of the women who took soy also took other stuff that are very popular and considered strong NBE products.

normally i would recommend not taking soy cause its may work against NBE and i still believe that but i also recognize it also may work in favor for SOME women. so i would be careful. no one cant be sure how it will work for them.



Tiger Lily
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Re: Soy products
May 8 2006, 8:17 AM

As suggested I read the articles but I know many other articles in Taiwan sites that give more balanced view. Actually jennelle made good points above that nobody eating soy in moderation needs to have concern. I also think that you find negative comments on every food if you look hard enough. In summary I think nobody is likely to improve their health by not eating soy, but many could improve their health by starting to eat soy. This does not mean that soy is good in every way, but the health benefits are considerable.




Jacqui
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Re: Soy products
May 9 2006, 11:28 AM

Well I read it, and while there may be certain truths in this article. It is also a known fact that we have artificial hormones in our drinking water and this is more closely related to females reaching sexual maturity earlier and various other factors. But we'd die without water. I guess it's good to remind each other not to over consume products, any products.



Iwant34A!
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Re: Soy products
May 9 2006, 1:43 PM

Asian women don't have the largest cupsizez but their breastz r proportioned to their petite frame!They do not get fat in hips,thighs,stomach or other areas so it is logical that a big breast for them is a 34C for instanze.Italians for example may have bigger breastz but they have larger hips ,butt and belly too.



aerie
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Re: Soy products
July 6 2009, 4:44 PM

not true
read this
http://www.isoflavones.info/women-health.php



Jen Emily
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Re: Soy products
July 7 2009, 6:01 AM

If you take in too much of anything is bad. Like if you take in too much water your cells will drown. I don't think you should get freaked out b/c of soy. Just take it in moderation.



Anonymous
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Re: Soy products
July 7 2009, 1:17 PM

I know for a fact that too much soy can cause gout in some people. One of my professors talked about this result from him eating too much tofu when he was in Taiwan. However, within moderation, I don't believe soy is dangerous. I drink it all the time, and it has agreed with my body (unfortunately no breast growth either HA!). Maybe some people are allergic to it, and the website is more geered toward those?

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Question About Soy Capsules
February 29 2008 at 5:04 AM Wanttobecurvey (no login)
I drink soy milk, and originally it really seemed to work for me, but I think my body
got used to it, can that happen? I am wondering is soy capsules would work well.
I see Eve had a pretty high does of Soy in her program. I have read that soy is actually one of the if not the most potent estrogen like herb, and it is the closest in chemistry to real estrogen.
Thoughts all? Also the manager at my health food store said he haad a customer who who a cross dresser who claimed soy made his breasts grow to a size d, although he said the guy took a high dose.




Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
February 29 2008, 8:16 PM

I think soy is one of the best NBE supplements. Soy milk, although seemingly effective for many is very very very low in soy! It's 90%+ water! I would recommend soy isoflavones as they are the estrongenic part and are structurally similar to PM (I did a lot of reading about this a few months ago). I got mine from here:

http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/soy.cfm

Their customer service is great, it's value for money especially if you buy the bulk powder which you can then put in food (you only need about 1/4 tsp daily) so no swallowing horrible capsules either. Be careful if you're outside the USA as your own country may charge a lot for tax and shipping.

Soy in general is expensive so it's better value for money to buy in bulk and this particular extract is really strong so also good value. In local shops I've seen products packaged as soy isoflavones with only 3% isoflavones so you would need 3x as much to be equivalent. This product is definitely the strongest soy product I've seen. Only caution with soy is to check for hypothyroid symptoms.




Hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
February 29 2008, 9:07 PM

How much soy is in soy sauce?



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
February 29 2008, 9:43 PM

I doesn't say on the bottle - maybe you could contact the manufacturer although it might be a propriety recipe which they can't divulge. Also remember that like the soy milk it will only be a weak solution with a small amount of soy beans and the beans then only have a small amount of isoflavones.




Tori
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 1 2008, 12:04 PM

Remember soy sauce contains a hell of a lot of salt, so prob wouldn't be good to have loads of it! An excess of soy is supposed to be bad for your health. I can't remember exactly why but I've heard it said a number of times!




Hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 1 2008, 4:45 PM

Thanks Louise I'll look into it and Tori, don't worry I'm not gonna drink the bottle down or something I was just eating stir fry rice the other day and was wondering about it then.



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 1 2008, 9:46 PM

Hopeful - I love Chinese but mainly sweet and sour not soy sauce, Chinese would be a good meal as it has a strong enough flavour that if you bought the soy isoflavone powder you could add some and not even taste it. I had a lot of feelings when I took 6x WU + 1/4 tsp soy made in a porridge with milk protein powder, oats and oat based fruity cereal - really tasted nice and was a warm and very filling meal with low calories. Will probably need to go back to eating porrdige for dinner a few nights per week as I keep stuffing myself!




Hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 1 2008, 10:30 PM

yum! I love sweet and sour sauce too.. I was eating porridge for a while too but have since stopped so we both are being bad lately



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 2 2008, 8:53 PM

Well since I'm taking Vitex do you think it would just be pointless to eat estrogenic foods? I would like to add soy into my routine but since it has a lot of estrogen I don't know because Vitex is for producing progesterone. What do you think?



wanttobecurvey
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Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 3:39 AM

Louise:

Thanks for that helpful info.



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 4:58 AM

Vitex isn't for producing progesterone it's for balancing all your hormones.



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 10:54 AM

Damn...
But like 50 people on this forum said it did. Alrighhhhty then.




Hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 3:37 PM

I got this from the information on herbs forum (post by waxingmoon):

How Vitex Works

Vitex works by stimulating the production of luteinizing hormone (LH) and suppressing the production of follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). This in turn causes the corpus luteum to secrete more progesterone. Progesterone suppresses the production of prolaction. Also, vitex has components that bind to the dopamine receptor sites of the pituitary, inhibiting prolactin secretion. http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/milksuppl...rem_c.html



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 6:49 PM

But isn't that only if it's progesterone you're lacking? Like it can also raise or lower estrogen and lower excess testosterone.




hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 6:52 PM

Yup that is true too, it affects all 3 of them. But from reading Jackie's past posts she is estrogen dominant so I think the vitex would help her in terms of the progesterone part though right?



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 7:17 PM

Not sure, most people just experiment. She'd be better off getting medical tests done and if she is progesterone deficient trying the USP progesterone cream.



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 9:38 PM

Oh haha well! Thanks for the advice. I'll get the progesterone cream as well. I'm not sure if that will be too much but we'll see.



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 9:39 PM

ps
would Vitex be ohkay to mix with soy pills?




Hopeful88
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 3 2008, 11:25 PM

Hm, well I'm not 100% sure but I don't see why there would be an issue in combining them persay but the thing is most people believe vitex is best by itself... Kari took vitex with some other things, check out her profile page.



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 4 2008, 1:40 AM

Alright, I'll check it out. I think me and Karen are really the only ones who have been taking Vitex [alone]. I saw on some pages that people would mix Vitex in their routine with other estrogenic producing herbs [ie. wild yam] or others. It really doesn't make sense. Doesn't that just defeat the purpose then?



Louise
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 4 2008, 4:40 AM

It's not harmful to mix vitex with other things but if you are taking the normal estrogenic herbs then why take vitex to counteract them.



Jackie
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Re: Question About Soy Capsules
March 4 2008, 11:13 PM

And yeah that's what I was saying... It would counteract them. That's why I think it'd be pointless. Like taking Vitex with Saw Palmetto probably would be.

[EllaC]

It was my understanding that the Japanese consumed the most soy and yet their average cup size is "A" so I don't understand why people think soy grows breasts I really don't .. I know it promotes estrogen etc but if that were the case why aren't Japanese women at least B or C's ..

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Question about Soy
October 28 2006 at 3:16 PM
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Ok, just had to ask this.

If soy products are helpful to NBE, then why don't all Asian ladies have huge breasts?

Sorry, not meaning to sound picky or anything........just curious.



Sandra
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Re: Question about Soy
October 28 2006, 4:00 PM

Asian women have a much lower rate of breast cancer than Western women, so I think the soy is probably helping their breasts in this way at least.



Anonymous
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Re: Question about Soy
October 28 2006, 5:19 PM

Hi, I'm from Asian, but I rarely eat any products relate to Soy, neither do my friends.

I'm also curious how you got the impression that Asian people eat lots of Soy?




faerycat
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Re: Question about Soy
October 28 2006, 5:56 PM

My apologies AHYA. It was a natural assumption to assume that soy is consumed more in Eastern countries than in the West.

I have always eaten a lot of soy produce in my diet but always remained flat chested until I began NBE. I've often heard it said that soy isoflavones helps to promote breast growth so was curious as to why this was so.

x




Buffy
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Re: Question about Soy
October 28 2006, 6:02 PM

I've heard that Asians don't consume nearly as much soy as we are led to believe, and that when they eat it it is in a fermented form (soy sauce, miso.) Supposedly, other forms of soy are potentially harmful; for one, they reduce thyroid function. That's a good reason to keep away from soy while doing BE, because impaired thyroid function is believed to inhibit BE.



Anonymous
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Re: Question about Soy
October 28 2006, 7:17 PM

It's ok, faerycat, don't worry, I know you didn't mean anything.

Actually, I have a similar question. Pueraria mirifica is from Thailand, but it seems girls in Thailand don't have bigger boobs. Wonder why.



Vicky A
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Re: Question about Soy
October 29 2006, 8:34 AM

AHYA and Buffy are right about Asians and soy - in general Asians do not consume as much soy as we are led to believe. I say in general because you have to remember that Asia is a huge place containing many countries and billions of people! It can be a little bit crazy to generalise about so many people. Average consumption of soy across the whole of Asia is about 9 or 10 grams a day, which is not very much, but admittedly more than in the West. However, there are some parts of Asia where soy consumption is notably high, so it's fair to say that SOME Asians consume a lot of soy, but wrong to say that Asians in general consume a lot of it. The highest soy consumption in the world is said to be on the Japanese island of Okinowa and the people there are also renowned for their good health and great longevity (I have no information about their breast size).

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confused about soy
March 10 2006 at 4:43 PM K-dub (no login)
I have heard sooo much contradicting info about soy and NBE. Some of the info I read says it is good for NBE becasue it contains phytoestrogens, and some of the info I read says it is bad for NBE (it has something to do with your thyroid and lowering body tepms). I'm totally confused. Can anyone help??




Sunset
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Im confused
March 10 2006, 10:23 PM

I'm confused on this one as well. (scratches head)




Sunset
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Re: confused about soy
March 10 2006, 10:32 PM

here is a thread that I cut and pasted from. one sentence says they are GOOD for be. The other says it is BAD for BE. Maybe it's good and bad at the same time?..lol

Soy Isoflavones are a wonderful addition for breast enhancment and general breast health.

Soy Isoflavones - soy can lower thyroid output/production, leading to lowered temps, which is not good for BE.



strawberryfields
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Oye!
March 10 2006, 11:06 PM

Hmm just a thought, but what if you ate soy and drank green tea to raise the metabolism, or anything else for that matter. I really don't think the soy is going to lower body temperatures dramatically so anything that raises metabolism would counteract it. Just a hypothesis tho!
I've also heard that spicy foods and grapefruit raise the metabolism along with coffee but thats not so great for NBE.



K-dub
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Re: confused about soy
March 11 2006, 12:19 AM

good idea, but green tea has caffeine which is bad for BE. I've been drinking warm water with lemon juice and cayenne. Cayenne heats your body way up, plus that combo is supposed to detox your body which is very good for BE.



Barbara
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Re: confused about soy
March 12 2006, 11:12 AM

Is it true that Asians eat so much soy and why don't they benefit in breast size?



Katie M
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Re: confused about soy
March 13 2006, 02:46 AM

The common belief that Asians eat a lot of soy is not really true. Americans were the first to start utilising the soy bean in a big way and using it to replace no end of other foods. Americans are the biggest worshippers of the soy bean!

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Soy or No Soy? That is the question!
April 5 2006 at 4:26 PM vivian (no login)
Hi everyone!

I've read conflicting stuff on the benefits of soy with BE. On that other forum, I think I recall soemone warning against it, while on another website, it said soy was good for boob growth. In a Chinese recipe for BE soup, fresh beancurd sheets (a soy product) is also mentioned as the leading trigger to breast growth. So...what's the deal? Thanks for all your help so far btw, everyone is just so darn nice! Never expected that from people I don't know =)

~Viv



Solitaire
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Re: Soy or No Soy? That is the question!
April 5 2006, 6:05 PM

Yes in Chinese medicine soy is important for breast growth. I found that out just recently myself.




Sunset
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oh yeah
April 5 2006, 7:04 PM

the million $ question..lol who really knows, there is such a back and forth disagrement about this. I too have seen it is good for NBE and then other places say its not so good. Wish I could help more, but I really dont know.

~Keep playin those "records" girls! ~
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*




SugarQ
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Re: Soy or No Soy? That is the question!
April 6 2006, 4:28 AM

thoeredially its bad. but if a big part of your diet consists of it then i wouldnt drop it. soy has one of the highest estrogenic activity. thats usually not good for BE. the estrogen is very weak compared to (estradiol) which is typically responsisble for breast growth. being so weak it competes with the stronger estrogens and lowers their activity. so overall you lower your estrogen levels. this is why soy seems to protect women agains breast cancer. so sunset is right who knows. phytoestrogens dont act like the estrogens in our bodies so you cant really expect to just take a bunch of phytoestrogens and hope it just raises your estrogen levels. it usually doesnt work like that. plus there are hundreds of thousands of people who eat soy every day and yet there still not a connection between it and breast size. most of the NBE brand product dont have soy as a main (active component) and those that do dont seem to be very special at all. so i doubt that soy would helps with NBE and there is a chance it works against it. so its up to you to decide if the risk is small enough to take.




Katie M
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Re: Soy or No Soy? That is the question!
April 7 2006, 9:21 AM

With soy there just isn't a clear answer it seems, but I've seen soy used as an ingredient in breast enhancement formulations.

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SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 1 2006 at 10:17 PM Moon (Login -Moon-)
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Hi, I've been thinking about adding soy to my routine, but when I went to the store to buy it, it was in two forms, or two parts of the plant - soy's seeds (or beans) and soy's 'meat'. I don't know if that is the correct term in English, but in Croatian it's called 'meat'. I'm not sure which to buy or in which other form to add soy to my routine, could any of you ladies help me? Thanks!




kitty
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 1 2006, 10:24 PM

You can usually get soy milk in common supermarkets if that helps



lani
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confused a bit as well
October 1 2006, 11:50 PM

Hi, I was just wondering if there is a difference between Soya milk and Soy milk? This may seem silly, but I honestly could not tell! What brands are people drinking and do you just buy them at your local supermarket? Is there a particular brand that tastes good? Is it really something that aids well in NBE or should I not even bother? I would really like to know as I need to buy milk soon anyhow! Thanks!




Anonymous
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 2 2006, 12:05 AM

Soy and soya milk is the same, its a milk that is made from soybeamns, and even if it might not contribute to NBE, it is supposed to be really healthy and packed with proteins and usually contains artificially added vitamins like B12. You can usually find soy milk and soy foods pretty much anywhere! Alpro Soya is a big brand, they do milks as well foods like yoghurts. Check out their website for recipies



bonnette
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 2 2006, 9:16 AM

isn't any soyproduct made of soybeans thus also the soymeat.




Eve M
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 2 2006, 9:36 AM

Soy and soya are the same plant (Soy is the American name I believe but Soya has always been used in the UK). Regarding soya meat, I'm not an expert, but I don't think it's pure soya. I think soya is mixed with something else to give it a more meat like taste and appearance.



Moon
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 2 2006, 3:46 PM

Thanks everyone for answers, I think I'll get soy seads or beans, cause they seem like sth you can swallow like a pill. If anyone else is taking soy in their routines and is interested, I read that the negatives are bad absorption and increased demand for some vitamins, so make sure to get enough of those!



Maria
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 3 2006, 12:20 AM

I think Eve is right about the soy meat. It's not made purely from soya, although soya probably makes up most of it.



Moon
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 12 2006, 12:18 PM

I've done a little net surfing and I think the correct term for what I called soy meat is actually soy meal. Apparently it's a side product when making oil from soy beans.

And I have another question I really hope someone could answer - are soy beans ok to take for NBE??? Their shell is really hard and I wonder if they are even digestible.

If Eve sees this - in what form did you take soy in your routine??




Eve M
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Re: SOY - Which part of the plant should I take???
October 12 2006, 10:04 PM

The soy I took was in powder form (whole soy dried and powdered).

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Tofu
June 13 2006 at 8:25 PM Sarah L (no login)
My friend at work has always had a very nice pair of boobs, she's at least a C cup and looks great, im really envious actually! Anyway, in the last month she seems to have grown at least a cup size and looks absolutely huge. Obviously this has really peed me off not only because i look tiny next to her but because i have been doing NBE for years and struggled to get an inch growth! Anyway i grilled her to find out what she was doing differently and we came to the conclusion that the only difference is she has been eating loads of tofu, mainly because she knew it was healthy she has also been snacking on brazil nuts. She apparantly has a very active sex life and recons that includes quite a lot of breast massage!!

I just thought i would mention it, i did a search on the forum and could only find one thread on tofu, i was just wondering if anyone else has found it good for nbe? Anyway.., suffice to say im not taking any chances, i went out today and bought a tonne of tofu (dont even know how to cook it yet) and im eating brazil nuts as im typing.

Good luck all.

;-)



Shell688
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Tofu
June 13 2006, 11:13 PM

I have no idea if that would help or not. Is tofu high in protein?



Anonymous
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Re: Tofu
June 13 2006, 11:35 PM

but the massage might. I think there might be a strong correlation between sexual activity which includes breast massage with breast growth...

either way I think lots of sex will help



fengshui
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it is helpful in chinese method.
June 14 2006, 12:44 AM

tofu and nuts r both boobie friendly food in chinese NBE method.
tofu is soy product.



BJ
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Re: Tofu
June 14 2006, 1:53 AM

Tofu has soy in it doesn't it? Maybe that is why.



Anonymous
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Re: Tofu
June 14 2006, 1:56 AM

I'm pretty sure that tofu is soy bean curd. So if soy is good for nbe than so will tofu. TigerLily has already mentioned that tofu is good.
Darisha

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Soy isoflavones
June 29 2007 at 7:33 AM FireFly (Login FireflyGirl)
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I'm trying to do this whole NBE thing without taking stuff internally, but I'm beginning to think that maybe taking some soy isoflavones wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm thinking these would be mild enough not to cause any kind of side effects for me (such as acne, which I just recently got under control). Has anyone out there taken soy isoflavones, and if so, did they seem to help with growth?




Tiger Lily
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Re: Soy isoflavones
June 29 2007, 1:12 PM

Soy is good for the health of the breast for sure. Those that eat soy have less breast cancer and this is clearly shown when you compare the soy consumption in each country to the incidence of breast cancer.



Carmen
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Re: Soy isoflavones
July 1 2007, 8:08 AM

I am interested in soy too. Can anyone recommend a suitable soy supplement? They don't seem to be available in every health food store.



Sally Anne
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Re: Soy isoflavones
July 1 2007, 8:26 AM

I got soy capsules at iherb.




HS29
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Re: Soy isoflavones
July 1 2007, 10:22 PM

Just keep in mind that even though Asian cultures seem to have lower instances of cancers, i would not attribute that to the soy intake. Their intake is <36 g of soy per day. They do not eat soy burgers and textured soy protein, and all this other 'americanized' soy foods we have here now. These soy foods have WAY MORE grams of soy per serving than the small amts ingested in a typical asian diet.

I would be very careful in the amt of soy taken in everyday.

Soy is in practically EVERYTHING packaged as well. Soy isolate protein- everywhere.