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DMSO
March 9 2007 at 3:42 AM
Anonymous (Login Teresina)
Do any of you use this during massage? Did you notice a difference from adding it, like the herbs seem to be penetrating better and working more?

Thanks!




Buffeee
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Re: DMSO
March 9 2007, 4:20 PM

If you use it, use it with water or alcohol-based booby batters. It will carry them into your tissues better than it will oils.



Vienay
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Re: DMSO
March 9 2007, 6:05 PM

Could you tell me what DMSO is?




Anonymous
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Re: DMSO
March 10 2007, 12:02 AM

Thanks, Buffeee.

Vienay, DMSO is Dimethyl sulfoxide, a solvent. It can penetrate the skin quite well, so some have used it to 'carry' the extracts into the breast during massage. I've seen a few mentions of successful use but hadn't heard about it here.

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DMSO - Does anyone know more about it?
October 11 2007 at 11:53 PM Louise (Login Louise1982)
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I've seen an old post about this and have done a little bit of research -it would appear to be the magic booby bullet that will quickly deliver any substance through the skin to the target site however this chemical info sheet which has no reason to lie says that it will not increase the permeability of less permeable substances:

http://www.gaylordchemical.com/bulletins...004-1.html

Should we not all be crushing up our BCPs, mixing with this stuff and rubbing it on our boobs?




amy
(Login shamyrock77)
hi LOISE
October 13 2007, 7:09 PM

i JUST CHECKED OUT THE NBA SYSTEM FOR BREAST ENLARGEMENT AND THEY USE THE DMSO WITH MAGNETS THEREPY AND BOOBIE TINCTURE(OXYGEN,FG,FL,WY,SP,DIAMANIA)JUST A THIN BIT PAINTED ON THE BREAST AND IF U ADD CAYENNE PEPPER ITS SUPPOSED TO BOOST UR HERB POTENCY.
sO DMSO 50%
water 50%
THEN A UR HERBS ID HAVE TO CHECK THE HERB AMOUNT THEY RECOMEND CUZ I CANT REMEMBER RIGHT NOW BUT U HAVE TO BE CARE FUL BECAUSE ITS very powerful AND ANYTHING ON YOUR HANDS WILL PENETRATE UR BREAST DEEPLY WITH DMSO AND IT STRENGHNS THE HERBS SO MUCH U ONLY NEED A VERY LIL BIT

iLL TRY AND POST LATER
GOOD LUCK




Sandy
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Re: DMSO - Does anyone know more about it?
October 13 2007, 7:13 PM

That's true.I find it very interesting.But be careful,it will suck any fungus,dirt anything to the inside.maybe on should disinfect the breast before applying it.Where can one buy a good quality of DMSO?



Louise
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Re: DMSO - Does anyone know more about it?
October 13 2007, 9:09 PM

Saw one website that looked good but will have to look for it again. I'd buy the 99% pure DMSO then mix 30:70 with distilled water. I'd say washing boobs with unscented soap and then a lot of water would be better otherwise you could be absorbing the disinfectant. Was thinking of giving this a go with Yohimburn on the thighs first as a test to see if it causes a rash or anything. Was then going to do it on boobs overnight while I have the Brava domes on as they create and airtight box so nothing from the clothes gets in. Also the question is are we trying to get these herbs into the boobs or into the blood stream as surely putting them actually on the boobs isn't needed - like progesterone cream? Not sure about this, hopefully someone more intelligent will chip in!

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DMSO Cautions
October 21 2007 at 9:50 PM Louise (Login Louise1982)
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DMSO is an industrial solvent that increases skin permeability so something that could make booby lotion more effective. However few important points to note:

1) Increases skin permeability by x1000 so beneficial and toxic effects increased.

2) Only increases absorption of molecules that are small enough to get through the skin like steroids, will not help with fats and proteins.

3) Absorbed material penetrates the skin and fat layers to get into your blood stream and iternal organs - don't mix anything (or apply anything until skin is washed thoroughly) that you wouldn't swallow, including moisturisers / topical creams like Wonderup or St.Herb. Don't mix with your progesterone cream as that would be like eating the whole tub in one day!

4) Shouldn't store in plastic / metal / wood container as may absorb
toxins from the material that will pass into your body. Ok to use plastic / metal bowl while applying and to use plastic / metal spoon to mix. Wood should never be used as may be harbouring bacteria.

5) Ok to get on your hands and shouldn't use any type of gloves, can also be applied with clean cotton wool. Wash hands and boobs after to avoid absorbing everything you come in contact with later.

6) Water / alcohol soluble so washes off easily with water (don't use soap as ingredients from the soap may be absorbed). Works better in water / alcohol based lotion than oil based.

7) Don't apply neat, I've seen 30% and 70% solutions recommended for use on the body.

8) Don't buy the industrial grade as it may have more impurities.

9) Never been known to cause internal body problems - worse case scenario may give a rash or a burning feeling, may be wise to do a skin test or start with a more dilute solution.

10) Damn it! 10 points looks more professional!

Most of this info I've got from the internet and from the link below, I've also spoken to the developer of this product and it seems to be the most reputable and safe for use on the body. Will post if it seems to do anything helpful for NBE.

http://www.painease.com/800599.html




Davilee
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Re: DMSO Cautions
October 22 2007, 8:12 AM

Well thats some good info for sure. Thanks Louise! X



Wahaika
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DMSO Cautions
October 25 2007, 4:17 AM

11. Start with ONE DROP and work up slowly. Two drops per side is probably all you would ever need.

Wahaika

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Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 17 2007 at 4:23 PM Louise (Login Louise1982)
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I understand from previous posts that fats and proteins can't be absorbed through the skin but steroids can which is why people use progesterone cream. Pueraria and soy both contain isoflavones which apparently are non-steroidal but similar in structure to estrogen (polyphenols) - can these penetrate intact skin? I've been at this for hours with no luck!




Davilee
(Login Davi-lee)
Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 19 2007, 7:23 AM

Hey,good question Louise. That's like the things that I muse on all the time.
I just don't have time to go searching.
I hope that someone else is interested in trying to find an answer.



Louise
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 19 2007, 7:50 PM

This is what I found today:

Drug Deliv. ;13 (6):411-5 17002968

Evaluation of ex vivo human skin permeation of genistein and daidzein.
[My paper] Paola Minghetti , Francesco Cilurzo , Antonella Casiraghi , Luisa Montanari

The percutaneous absorption of genistein (GEN) and daidzein (DAI), whose oestrogenic-like activity is well known, is scantily investigated. In this work the ability of GEN and DAI to reach therapeutic steady-state plasma concentrations following transdermal administration was studied. The skin permeation studies were conducted by using modified Franz diffusion cell and human epidermis as a membrane. PEG400 was the most effective vehicle for both molecules. On the basis of the ex vivo permeation results and estimating therapeutic plasma concentration, we assume that pure GEN can be efficaciously administered by the transdermal route.

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Don't think we'll be able to get hold of PEG400 without some industrial reason and it'd be a huge quantity but does appear that phytoestrogens are absorbed, funny the wonderup people don't really make much of this and they are trying to sell a topical product - they just say it's for skin tone not growth.

.....on to my next question.....is there any advantage of topical application to the actual breast? - You don't put progesterone on the breast you put it elsewhere so why are we putting the estrogenics on the breasts?




Davilee
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 3:59 AM

Wow....err.whats PEG400?? It doesnt 'ring a bell'.

Havent you read that research was quoted by Dr.John Lee that shows that breast tissues more readily absorb estrogenic compounds than other tissues?
.drlam.com , features loads of hormone info. from Dr.Lee.
Perhaps it is due to the fat tissue.

uhm...well,I apply my estriol/progesterone directly to my breasts,and I get aches and firmness and growth ever since after adding it to my regimine.

??I dunno??..hahaha

I am trying to complete a theory I have been forming,you have added a bit of info to my musings.Its about the interactions of progesterone and estrogens and how they are stored in the body and how they are retreived from fats.

I was just rereading some info. that I had that,says some estrogens are produced in the fat tissues.



Louise
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 7:31 AM

PEG400's an industrial solvent by the look of it...but I have other ideas as to delivery methods, just wanted to know if herbs were worth delivering before I start crushing up birth control pills!

Will be having a good look at your program page - but the xxy is going to make you kinda unique...still I genuinely believe there is a general formula for this that works, always works and works for everyone - we just don't know what it is yet




Eve M
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 8:44 AM

Louise, you may remember that a news story was posted here recently reporting that use of Lavender and Tea Tree Oils was considered to have caused breast development in boys. This suggests that the phytoestrogens in these products must have penetrated the skin and did not need to be eaten and digested.



Moaning Sheep
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 10:52 AM

Louise, estrogen is also a steroid, and I think it is very similar in structure as progesterone



Groaning Sheep
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dmso??
October 20 2007, 5:05 PM

If u r looking for a topical delivery agent than dmso solution(50 percent dmso plus 50 percent water)with 10 percent herbs fg wy diamania ect applied to breast 1 time a day will give u that.
If u take cayenne pepper along with this it should ramp up this dose significantly.
check out NBA SYSTEM
This mix makes it 1000 times stronger and delivers it directly to breast.
U dont need to massage on this program if u dont want to
The base of program is magnets hope that helps



Louise
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 7:43 PM

I've read that pytoestrogens are non-steroidal, at least isoflavones are anyway which wa what made me wonder.

So it's delivery into fatty tissue rather than the breast itself - shouldn't we all be rubbing this stuff on our butts?!




WiccanWoman
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 20 2007, 11:06 PM

Hmm yeah but I can keep my boobs off my sofa and bed sheets.. I'd have the entire house smelling like pancakes if I put it on my butt LOL !



Davilee
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 21 2007, 2:01 PM

HAHAHA!....Great Wiccanwoman!
I rub my Prog on my butt.
My side experiment, to see if it will help with accumulating more fat on me bum.HAHA...Im a slender person,I need all the help I can.
There are women who are gluteus maximus-ly challenged.
Somethings been working for me. Maybe its all the pastries.HA!

The Doctor's Natural Therapy cream,sent papers with the bottles that said to apply it to only the fatty spots.So,I put it on my thighs,belly,butt,and boobs
There is an slim explanation about the Prog.and estriol needs to go to the fat tissues then it is utilized from there.
It makes sense as I read other things about hormones being stored in fats,or produced in the fat tissues.

The reason I started putting it on my boobage is I had seen several people,on different places say that it worked for them to do that.
So, I thought what the heck,I like an experiment or two anyway.
Well, for me it works good so far.

Hey good stuff on the solvents,**although Im quite hesitant to use something called an industrial solvent.Doesnt sound very healthy to apply to your bod.Does anyone know what problems it can cause??

Louise,my friend and I were talking about the lavender and Tea tree episodes,and he suggested that the tea tree must have properties that cause better absorption into the skin.Its sorta like the cayenne and Vit.C action,they also energize the herb effects.

Thats great stuff Groaning Sheep...whats NBA System??
Yes you are right about the cayenne,Ive read that it causes those effects with any health supplements internally.



Louise
(Login Louise1982)
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 21 2007, 5:28 PM

Davi-Lee,

That's great about the tea tree, I don't think I can use cayenne as I've been warned the meds I take are bad for the stomach lining and I have quite sensitive skin, so I think internally or externally it may cause a problem, but I've used a tea tree based lotion when I had a rash and it was like a miracle.

I'm going to post about cautions of DMSO.

NBA system is basically DMSO + herbal booby lotion, short massage 5x daily (every 3 hours, so not really for anyone with a job) + superstrong magnets (which you shouldn't use near other people). I didn't bother with this as the main appeal was that I thought you just stuck the magnets in your bra but it's a lot more involved. Would rather steal their ideas about topicals and do my own massage.



Davilee
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Re: Skin Absorption of Estrogens and Phytoestrogens
October 22 2007, 8:24 AM

Oh cayenne is actually good for the stomach because it causes more mucus to be excreted in the stomach and intestines and this also causes ulcers to heal.
Yah,I know it sounds wrong but I have a book by Dr,William Christopher all about what cayenne can do and its really amazing.
Some people are allergic to it. The capsicum oil,can cause more intense reactions in some folks.

Yes,what I was trying to say about the tea tree is that it is like the herbal equivalent to DMSO or sorta like that.
Dont take it by mouth,unless its in small quantities,as it is toxic full strength. Im sure you know that already.

Oh great on the NBA Sys....thanks for the info.

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How do you make your own boob cream? ;-0
September 28 2008 at 7:24 PM Penny (Login Pen1980)
I know I have read it on this website somewhere but now I can't find it!

I want to mix up my own breast massaging cream but don't know where to start, please help!

I need to increase estrogens, so anything that I can add to the massage cream that will help this would be great. Or something to wake up the estrogen receptors etc.

Thanks,
Penny x x x




Louise
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Re: How do you make your own boob cream? ;-0
September 28 2008, 7:36 PM

On Eve's program page she describes what she did but a lot of us don't think it makes much difference what you use as it's the massaging action not the content of the lotion that matters. If you read up on phytoestrogens there is a debate about skin absorption - is it better than ingestion as it avoids the liver (which nullifies a lot of their action) or is it less effective as it's the digestive process that actually activates the phytoestrogen. Generally I think only about 10% of what goes on the skin is absorbed and then only if the molecules are small enough and the substance able to move across the fatty layer into the blood stream.

Have a look at my posts on DMSO if you're serious about effective skin absorption.



Moon
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Re: How do you make your own boob cream? ;-0
September 28 2008, 8:16 PM

I think a good way to make your own herbal cream is to use a body butter as the basis because it's really dense so you can mix the maximum ammount of extract into it. I got this buddy butter which contains cocoa butter, shea butter and fatty acids (oil I assume), so it wasn't like hard wax like pure cocoa butter is, but like a very dense cream. Althoguh because it's fatty it doesn't mix with a water extract perfectly, but I found it mixed well enoguh, especially if you shake it well.



Penny
(Login Pen1980)
DMSO
September 29 2008, 7:33 PM

DMSO sounds too scary, I was just looking to make something that would be great for massaging with and not too expensive. I used to use the WU cream but would rather make my own.

So I guess that just massaging with some sort of body butter would be ok, as you say the skin only absorbs a small proportion of what is in it, so perhaps mixing in any sort of herbs with the cocoa butter is just a waste of money.

I am goona check out the massaging pages, I never felt I was doing the right rotations etc. So am going to brush up on that.

Thanks Moon and Lousie, you always reply to my threads.

Penny x x x

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DMSO
March 5 2006 at 10:45 PM Anonymous (no login)

What's the best kind of DMSO to use? Whenever I read about DMSO I can't help wondering whether it's a good idea to use it!




Sunset
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Maybe you could try
March 5 2006, 11:38 PM

I didn't want to use DMSO because if you use too much it can color the skin, although it's only temporary. But I got to using it in the end and I'm comfortable with it now.



Steph
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Re: DMSO
March 6 2006, 12:29 AM

Make sure you get pure DMSO. Thats the best.

Also, please be careful and use DMSO in moderation.



Wahaika
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Re: DMSO
March 6 2006, 4:45 AM

Keep it at 1 or two drops and make sure your skin surface is clean, including no soap residue, before you start.

DMSO is the most efficient carrier you can use, depending on what you are using it with.

Good luck,

Wahaika