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A girl's got to eat far more fennel
July 22 2008 at 10:13 AM Arugula (no login)
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This is a good site but I think you girls have largely overlooked the wonderous fennel. Some years ago a herbalist told me that fennel alone could help increase breast size and I started using fennel in receipes all the tie and it seemed to have a positive effect as I definitely grew some. One of the wonderous things about fennel is that it can be used as a foodstuff in all kinds of ways, it's not just a herbal supplement. I thought I'd mention this, as fennel desn't seem to get much coverage here when it really deserves it.
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littlelibrarian
(no login) Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 7:14 AM
How about some recipes or your ideas of what foods you add the fennel to? I've been taking it for 3 months now and you are right. I'm small and take 6 x 480mg per day as well as 3 x wild yam (425mg) and 1 x 100mg vitamin c. It's working girls, I'm just staying quiet until I see a difference in the measuring tape, they are a lot more meatier though.
I'll check back later to see if you have any recipes etc.
Thanks!
Frostedmint06
(Login frostedmint06)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 7:57 PM
Actually, a lot of people use fennel in their programs. Whether it's taken singly or in a commercial product like Wonderup. It's one of the most popular NBE herbs on here.
double_ace
(Login double_ace)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 9:31 PM
woohoo! i'm glad i bought it then ;-)
Frostedmint06
(Login frostedmint06)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 11:35 PM
Fennel is also one of the least expensive herbs to buy (at least where I live). I bought 2 lbs of the seeds for about $4 CAD at my local Walmart. That'll last me for a long time.
ChinaxDoll
(Login ChinaxDoll) A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 24 2008, 6:34 PM
I am misunderstanding something. I keep reading that fennel is basically like fenugreek, but far weaker? That is why I only purchased fenugreek between the two. Am I mistaken?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 24 2008, 6:58 PM
Hi ChinaxDoll,
I am sure you are not the only one who thinks this way. The chemistry of herbs is a complex and confusing one.
Fennel is a phytoestrogen, meaning it is a plant source of estrogen, similar to what our body makes. In the case of fennel, the potency of its estrogen is much lower than what our body makes. A molecule of fennel will attach to estrogen receptors just like our own estrogen will.
Fenugreek on the other hand is a steroidal saponin, which means it is a precursor to several hormones. That means your body may use fenugreek to make estrogen, but the molecule of fenugreek does not replace a molecule of our estrogen. It will not attach to the estrogen receptor.
Both Fenugreek and Fennel are considered galactogouges, but I believe fenugreek has been proven to be more potent in this regard.
Fennel could cause your total body estrogen to increase if it fills up vacant estrogen receptors your body had lying around not in use. It could also lower your body total estrogen if it competes with your body's own estrogen and makes it to the site first, thus blocking the more potent human estrogen.
Fenugreek can raise total body estrogen by supporting your body's natural process of creating estrogen - but it cannot make your body make more estrogen than it naturally would.
Fenugreek is related to chickpeas...
Okay, I have finally run out of things about these two herbs... lol
waxingmoon
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER cool July 24 2008, 8:00 PM
I am just simple-minded, the easier, the better. :-)
I am going to add fennel seeds to my boobie soups, see how that works/taste.
After a couple of years of massaging and "food watching", I don't have cold hands and feet anymore, and feel that my boobies are more "sensitive" as to responding to helpful foods. (chi flows well, I guess--no "blockages")
Katurah
(no login) question July 24 2008, 10:38 PM
Hi,i also have fennel in my daily regimen and i was wondering how long it took you get results from fennel?
Conner
(no login) Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 1:45 AM
Waxingmoon,
So what is the best combination of these two herbs to use if you are estrogen deficent? Is it advisable to use them together, or would certian dosages of one cause the oher to become inactive because the estrogen sites fill up? Sorry if I am confused, but I, like Chinaxdoll,thought they were essentially the same thing until this post.
Conner
Alise
(no login) Re:A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 4:55 AM
Is fennel tea better than in gelatin capsule form or put on food? Which is more potent?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 1:56 PM
Hi Conner,
These herbs are frequently used together. Their method of action -the way they work in the body - does not interfere with one another.
Fennel will try to connect directly with your estrogen receptors. Fenugreek will help promote your body's own natural estrogen. If they are both taken at the appropriate amount for your body, they you will increase your total estrogen.
If you take more fennel than you need you could swamp your estrogen receptors and 'stall' -that is, lower your total body estrogen. Everyone has to figure out what their ideal dose of this herb is. That is why we ramp up. You take a minimal amount for a time, then if you feel no NBE effect you take more. Your goal is to take the minimal amount necessary to achieve your results. Too much does not lead to greater results - it leads to less result.
Fenugreek does not directly supply your body with estrogen. It gives your body a raw material it uses to create estrogen. The amount of estrogen your body creates is kept in check by other body processes. However, if taken more than needed, fenugreek will cause other side effects, like headaches and tiredness because it lowers blood sugar. This can be very bad for the wrong person. So like fennel, ramp up with fenugreek and take the minimal dose that seems to give you NBE results.
Hope this clears up the confusion,
waxingmoon
July 22 2008 at 10:13 AM Arugula (no login)
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This is a good site but I think you girls have largely overlooked the wonderous fennel. Some years ago a herbalist told me that fennel alone could help increase breast size and I started using fennel in receipes all the tie and it seemed to have a positive effect as I definitely grew some. One of the wonderous things about fennel is that it can be used as a foodstuff in all kinds of ways, it's not just a herbal supplement. I thought I'd mention this, as fennel desn't seem to get much coverage here when it really deserves it.
Author Reply
littlelibrarian
(no login) Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 7:14 AM
How about some recipes or your ideas of what foods you add the fennel to? I've been taking it for 3 months now and you are right. I'm small and take 6 x 480mg per day as well as 3 x wild yam (425mg) and 1 x 100mg vitamin c. It's working girls, I'm just staying quiet until I see a difference in the measuring tape, they are a lot more meatier though.
I'll check back later to see if you have any recipes etc.
Thanks!
Frostedmint06
(Login frostedmint06)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 7:57 PM
Actually, a lot of people use fennel in their programs. Whether it's taken singly or in a commercial product like Wonderup. It's one of the most popular NBE herbs on here.
double_ace
(Login double_ace)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 9:31 PM
woohoo! i'm glad i bought it then ;-)
Frostedmint06
(Login frostedmint06)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 23 2008, 11:35 PM
Fennel is also one of the least expensive herbs to buy (at least where I live). I bought 2 lbs of the seeds for about $4 CAD at my local Walmart. That'll last me for a long time.
ChinaxDoll
(Login ChinaxDoll) A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 24 2008, 6:34 PM
I am misunderstanding something. I keep reading that fennel is basically like fenugreek, but far weaker? That is why I only purchased fenugreek between the two. Am I mistaken?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 24 2008, 6:58 PM
Hi ChinaxDoll,
I am sure you are not the only one who thinks this way. The chemistry of herbs is a complex and confusing one.
Fennel is a phytoestrogen, meaning it is a plant source of estrogen, similar to what our body makes. In the case of fennel, the potency of its estrogen is much lower than what our body makes. A molecule of fennel will attach to estrogen receptors just like our own estrogen will.
Fenugreek on the other hand is a steroidal saponin, which means it is a precursor to several hormones. That means your body may use fenugreek to make estrogen, but the molecule of fenugreek does not replace a molecule of our estrogen. It will not attach to the estrogen receptor.
Both Fenugreek and Fennel are considered galactogouges, but I believe fenugreek has been proven to be more potent in this regard.
Fennel could cause your total body estrogen to increase if it fills up vacant estrogen receptors your body had lying around not in use. It could also lower your body total estrogen if it competes with your body's own estrogen and makes it to the site first, thus blocking the more potent human estrogen.
Fenugreek can raise total body estrogen by supporting your body's natural process of creating estrogen - but it cannot make your body make more estrogen than it naturally would.
Fenugreek is related to chickpeas...
Okay, I have finally run out of things about these two herbs... lol
waxingmoon
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER cool July 24 2008, 8:00 PM
I am just simple-minded, the easier, the better. :-)
I am going to add fennel seeds to my boobie soups, see how that works/taste.
After a couple of years of massaging and "food watching", I don't have cold hands and feet anymore, and feel that my boobies are more "sensitive" as to responding to helpful foods. (chi flows well, I guess--no "blockages")
Katurah
(no login) question July 24 2008, 10:38 PM
Hi,i also have fennel in my daily regimen and i was wondering how long it took you get results from fennel?
Conner
(no login) Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 1:45 AM
Waxingmoon,
So what is the best combination of these two herbs to use if you are estrogen deficent? Is it advisable to use them together, or would certian dosages of one cause the oher to become inactive because the estrogen sites fill up? Sorry if I am confused, but I, like Chinaxdoll,thought they were essentially the same thing until this post.
Conner
Alise
(no login) Re:A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 4:55 AM
Is fennel tea better than in gelatin capsule form or put on food? Which is more potent?
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: A girl's got to eat far more fennel July 25 2008, 1:56 PM
Hi Conner,
These herbs are frequently used together. Their method of action -the way they work in the body - does not interfere with one another.
Fennel will try to connect directly with your estrogen receptors. Fenugreek will help promote your body's own natural estrogen. If they are both taken at the appropriate amount for your body, they you will increase your total estrogen.
If you take more fennel than you need you could swamp your estrogen receptors and 'stall' -that is, lower your total body estrogen. Everyone has to figure out what their ideal dose of this herb is. That is why we ramp up. You take a minimal amount for a time, then if you feel no NBE effect you take more. Your goal is to take the minimal amount necessary to achieve your results. Too much does not lead to greater results - it leads to less result.
Fenugreek does not directly supply your body with estrogen. It gives your body a raw material it uses to create estrogen. The amount of estrogen your body creates is kept in check by other body processes. However, if taken more than needed, fenugreek will cause other side effects, like headaches and tiredness because it lowers blood sugar. This can be very bad for the wrong person. So like fennel, ramp up with fenugreek and take the minimal dose that seems to give you NBE results.
Hope this clears up the confusion,
waxingmoon