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Saw palmetto for massage???
June 8 2006 at 7:45 PM
Ada (Login pinktatsu)
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CAn Saw Palmetto be ussed "topical" for massage?? I want to use saw palmetto, 'cause im on BCP so i've heard that i cant take Saw palmetto while im in birth control/ so does it have any effectiveness using it Topical?
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 11 2006, 3:08 AM
Why can't you take SP while on BC? I am taking both and have been for three months and I am fine and growing
Sherri
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 11 2006, 3:11 AM
And yes, the herbs are effective when used topically and may be even more effective this way then taking them orally as they go right into your bloodstream. More of it is actually going to where you want it to as opposed to a much smaller percentage when taken orally.
Ada
(Login pinktatsu)
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thanks for your help!
June 11 2006, 5:39 AM
Thanks Sherri!! at last someone answered my post! Im starting my routine next week, i think i'll start by taking fenugreek(oral) and sawpalmetto(topical &oral) and massages with cocoa butter and vitamin E .. i'll post my program once i start!! thanks for your help!!!!and happy growing to you!
Shell
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Topical solutions
June 11 2006, 6:49 AM
In reguards to herbs going directly to your system, some probably already do this, but couldn't you put some herbs on your wrist,neck etc? Of course some sensitive people will probably have a bad reaction to this, I don't know...just a thought.
bettyboop
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re:
June 11 2006, 9:54 AM
hi girls!
I heard that saw palmetto is not recommend while you're taking bcp because of hormonal effects. But I learned from this forum there is no rule for everyone. Because everyone's body is different.
good luck for everybody.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
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transdermal application of herbs
June 11 2006, 7:30 PM
i just responded to a simular question in the topic is it better to take EPO in pill form or massage it.
the answer is: does it really matter? who really knows for a fact? i wrote a long winded answer so if you are interested check it out. or maybe i will copy and past if for you all.
the whole idea that because you apply directly to the breast then the herbs work better is wrong. infact there was a system that used DMSO (a very very strong transdermal carrier) to apply NBE herbs (in ticture form) to the breast. its called mykelco natural breast augmentation. its been around for years and yet no one has come forward with success stories.
how there are good reasons for applying herbs to the breast but they dont include accelerated breast enlargement. i dont want to make another long post so i will just copy and past for you ladies.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
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RE:epo --which is better? take the pill or massage into the skin?
June 11 2006, 7:32 PM
does it really matter? come on people? stop fretting over small details and make NBE more complicated then it has to be. if you want to massage it then fine but how would anyone know if it would make a big difference. women here will have their preference of what they prefer but that doesnt mean they know for sure which works better.
many people think that massaging herbs and oils to the breast will make them work stronger because they are concentrated at the site of where they want it to make the most difference but the truth is that its not that simple. first the herbs have to make it through several layers of skin (which doesnt happens very easily cause the skin was designed to keep things out)after the substance has made it though all those layers it goes into the bloodstream. its true that topical or subligual supplimentation are better then oral because much more of the substances make it into the bloodstream but it doesnt mean it will accelerate growth or the activity of the substance(just like taking more of a oral medicine doesnt always mean that it will make someone better faster).justhere are some women who massage herbs to their breast and claim that their pains seem to come very quickly after but think about it. when you take pain killers they get absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly from the stomach (painkillers bypass the intestines and go thorugh the digestive process completely) and within a few minutes its circulathing thoughout the whole body. the same goes for herbs that make it into the bloodstream. they circulate and go all over the body. some of it will get into the breast (not all) cirtainly more then what you would normally get through taking herbs orally.
the only things part of the body that will be affected when something is topically applied is the skin and maybe muscles.even if a substance penitrates deep enough to make it into the glands,and hopefully get lodged into the fat it wont have an accelerated effect on the tissue. the substances wont stay in the breast area for very long even if they to stick into the fat (where me want the active components of these herbs to be).
think about it.estrogen and progesterone need fat to be effective. the more you got the more receptors you have. if things worked so well and applying stuff to the breast makes the breast grow better then why dont women who try topically apply estradiol to their breasts. you can buy estradiol (the strongest estrogen known and the one estrogen most responsible for breast enlargement)in cream form. women have in fact tried it using estradiol for massages and i will tell you it doesnt make a difference and most of the women got sick from it. the same goes for progesterone cream.no difference. women apply it to their breasts and it dont make a difference then if they were to apply it to an arm or a leg. there is no increase in the number of breast enlargement cases when stuff in applied directly to the breast but it does help in other ways.
IMO the only reason i think massaging anything to the breast is becasue you get two benifits. lubrication for massages and at the same time you get a transdermal application all in one move.
people will have their preference of weither they prefer oral supplimentation and massaging stuff to their breast but the truth is no one can answer your question with any kind of assurance they know for a fact there is a huge difference. but if you really want to know which is better then try both together or try a few months either way. dont fret over the small details of a routine.if you come to a place where you dont know if its good to apply something directly or take it orally then just try something and hope it works. NBE is not an exact science and we dont have all the answers. everyone is different and its up to you to figure out what works best for you.
Anonymous
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 12 2006, 11:44 PM
dont think you should be saying the girls who posted above are wrong, because it sounds more like your theory is wrong. If you put herbs right on your boobs, then duh, its gonna absorb better. Why do you get so testy when people ask a question and say things like, Does it really matter? that is rude. This forum is here for people to ask questions. WHy must you shoot down everyones attempt to answer another's question?
Jennelle
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 8:36 AM
I'm with SugarQ on this - the whole idea that because you apply directly to the breast then the herbs work better is wrong. It's just one of those myths that has arisen and there's no evidence to support it at all. I also think she's right to say that people are starting to fuss and fret over small details and generally make NBE more complicated then it has to be. Ideas that aren't supported by any evidence are just unnecessary complications. Sometimes people are taking any idea they come across more seriously than they need to and are fussing over it without asking whether there's really any reason to believe in it.
Eve M
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 12:17 PM
I would not describe SugarQ as testy or rude, I'd say she was very helpful. When someone is as helpful as SugarQ is to so many others, that does sometimes involve contradicting someone else's opinion.
Anonymous, you said this forum is here for people to ask questions, but it must logically follow that it is also here for people to answer them, and that may of course sometimes involve contradicting others.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
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Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 5:39 PM
i dont mean to be rude or mean and i definatatly dont want to start an argument.
just to clarify, im not saying that women shouldnt massage herbs on their breast. in fact i may actually do that with my own routine but the idea of this localized effect doesnt work so simply. the body was designed to keep forign stuff out and if it some how passes through all the defenses the blood will pick it up and carry it away. on route it will increase the amount of herbs that is in the blood so you get a higher concentration of NBE herbs swirling around your body. for some women that may be enough to increase sensation and possily may jump start growth. herbs like saw palmetto are not specifically targeted to only work on the breast. swallowing it doesnt mean that it will get absorbed and make its way straight to the breast and only the breast. and applying it to the breast doesnt mean it will stay there and work right away within the breast only. breast enlargement is a side effect of other related hormonal changes that happens when there are enough herbs in your system to cause a shift. that shift doesnt happen only in the breast area. it happens all over the body and hopefully we can direct most of the hormones to the breast. massages, heating pads, prolactin are all suppose to direct hormones to the breast. topical application doesnt work directly to cause breast enlargement and it has been shown through systems like mykelco to be untrue.
if this idea of breast enlargement by applying herbs directly to the site of the breast really worked then this system would be a big success instead of a misurable faliure and scam. the only thing all women who used this system had to do was massage the herb batter to their breast. some even drank their batter and they got nothing still. so its not the herbs' direct application to the breast that makes the difference its just the amount of herbs that make it into the blood stream that gets women growing better.
technically you can apply your breast batter all over your body but i guess women feel that they are actually doing something more if they only apply it to their breast which is fine. beleiving that may have an effect of the subconciouse any may help NBE all the more.
June 8 2006 at 7:45 PM
Ada (Login pinktatsu)
EVE MEMBERS
CAn Saw Palmetto be ussed "topical" for massage?? I want to use saw palmetto, 'cause im on BCP so i've heard that i cant take Saw palmetto while im in birth control/ so does it have any effectiveness using it Topical?
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 11 2006, 3:08 AM
Why can't you take SP while on BC? I am taking both and have been for three months and I am fine and growing
Sherri
(Login Miss_Sherri)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 11 2006, 3:11 AM
And yes, the herbs are effective when used topically and may be even more effective this way then taking them orally as they go right into your bloodstream. More of it is actually going to where you want it to as opposed to a much smaller percentage when taken orally.
Ada
(Login pinktatsu)
EVE MEMBERS
thanks for your help!
June 11 2006, 5:39 AM
Thanks Sherri!! at last someone answered my post! Im starting my routine next week, i think i'll start by taking fenugreek(oral) and sawpalmetto(topical &oral) and massages with cocoa butter and vitamin E .. i'll post my program once i start!! thanks for your help!!!!and happy growing to you!
Shell
(no login)
Topical solutions
June 11 2006, 6:49 AM
In reguards to herbs going directly to your system, some probably already do this, but couldn't you put some herbs on your wrist,neck etc? Of course some sensitive people will probably have a bad reaction to this, I don't know...just a thought.
bettyboop
(Login unhappy80)
EVE MEMBERS
re:
June 11 2006, 9:54 AM
hi girls!
I heard that saw palmetto is not recommend while you're taking bcp because of hormonal effects. But I learned from this forum there is no rule for everyone. Because everyone's body is different.
good luck for everybody.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
transdermal application of herbs
June 11 2006, 7:30 PM
i just responded to a simular question in the topic is it better to take EPO in pill form or massage it.
the answer is: does it really matter? who really knows for a fact? i wrote a long winded answer so if you are interested check it out. or maybe i will copy and past if for you all.
the whole idea that because you apply directly to the breast then the herbs work better is wrong. infact there was a system that used DMSO (a very very strong transdermal carrier) to apply NBE herbs (in ticture form) to the breast. its called mykelco natural breast augmentation. its been around for years and yet no one has come forward with success stories.
how there are good reasons for applying herbs to the breast but they dont include accelerated breast enlargement. i dont want to make another long post so i will just copy and past for you ladies.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
RE:epo --which is better? take the pill or massage into the skin?
June 11 2006, 7:32 PM
does it really matter? come on people? stop fretting over small details and make NBE more complicated then it has to be. if you want to massage it then fine but how would anyone know if it would make a big difference. women here will have their preference of what they prefer but that doesnt mean they know for sure which works better.
many people think that massaging herbs and oils to the breast will make them work stronger because they are concentrated at the site of where they want it to make the most difference but the truth is that its not that simple. first the herbs have to make it through several layers of skin (which doesnt happens very easily cause the skin was designed to keep things out)after the substance has made it though all those layers it goes into the bloodstream. its true that topical or subligual supplimentation are better then oral because much more of the substances make it into the bloodstream but it doesnt mean it will accelerate growth or the activity of the substance(just like taking more of a oral medicine doesnt always mean that it will make someone better faster).justhere are some women who massage herbs to their breast and claim that their pains seem to come very quickly after but think about it. when you take pain killers they get absorbed into the bloodstream very quickly from the stomach (painkillers bypass the intestines and go thorugh the digestive process completely) and within a few minutes its circulathing thoughout the whole body. the same goes for herbs that make it into the bloodstream. they circulate and go all over the body. some of it will get into the breast (not all) cirtainly more then what you would normally get through taking herbs orally.
the only things part of the body that will be affected when something is topically applied is the skin and maybe muscles.even if a substance penitrates deep enough to make it into the glands,and hopefully get lodged into the fat it wont have an accelerated effect on the tissue. the substances wont stay in the breast area for very long even if they to stick into the fat (where me want the active components of these herbs to be).
think about it.estrogen and progesterone need fat to be effective. the more you got the more receptors you have. if things worked so well and applying stuff to the breast makes the breast grow better then why dont women who try topically apply estradiol to their breasts. you can buy estradiol (the strongest estrogen known and the one estrogen most responsible for breast enlargement)in cream form. women have in fact tried it using estradiol for massages and i will tell you it doesnt make a difference and most of the women got sick from it. the same goes for progesterone cream.no difference. women apply it to their breasts and it dont make a difference then if they were to apply it to an arm or a leg. there is no increase in the number of breast enlargement cases when stuff in applied directly to the breast but it does help in other ways.
IMO the only reason i think massaging anything to the breast is becasue you get two benifits. lubrication for massages and at the same time you get a transdermal application all in one move.
people will have their preference of weither they prefer oral supplimentation and massaging stuff to their breast but the truth is no one can answer your question with any kind of assurance they know for a fact there is a huge difference. but if you really want to know which is better then try both together or try a few months either way. dont fret over the small details of a routine.if you come to a place where you dont know if its good to apply something directly or take it orally then just try something and hope it works. NBE is not an exact science and we dont have all the answers. everyone is different and its up to you to figure out what works best for you.
Anonymous
(no login)
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 12 2006, 11:44 PM
dont think you should be saying the girls who posted above are wrong, because it sounds more like your theory is wrong. If you put herbs right on your boobs, then duh, its gonna absorb better. Why do you get so testy when people ask a question and say things like, Does it really matter? that is rude. This forum is here for people to ask questions. WHy must you shoot down everyones attempt to answer another's question?
Jennelle
(Login Jenneelle)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 8:36 AM
I'm with SugarQ on this - the whole idea that because you apply directly to the breast then the herbs work better is wrong. It's just one of those myths that has arisen and there's no evidence to support it at all. I also think she's right to say that people are starting to fuss and fret over small details and generally make NBE more complicated then it has to be. Ideas that aren't supported by any evidence are just unnecessary complications. Sometimes people are taking any idea they come across more seriously than they need to and are fussing over it without asking whether there's really any reason to believe in it.
Eve M
(Login EveEM)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 12:17 PM
I would not describe SugarQ as testy or rude, I'd say she was very helpful. When someone is as helpful as SugarQ is to so many others, that does sometimes involve contradicting someone else's opinion.
Anonymous, you said this forum is here for people to ask questions, but it must logically follow that it is also here for people to answer them, and that may of course sometimes involve contradicting others.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Saw palmetto for massage???
June 13 2006, 5:39 PM
i dont mean to be rude or mean and i definatatly dont want to start an argument.
just to clarify, im not saying that women shouldnt massage herbs on their breast. in fact i may actually do that with my own routine but the idea of this localized effect doesnt work so simply. the body was designed to keep forign stuff out and if it some how passes through all the defenses the blood will pick it up and carry it away. on route it will increase the amount of herbs that is in the blood so you get a higher concentration of NBE herbs swirling around your body. for some women that may be enough to increase sensation and possily may jump start growth. herbs like saw palmetto are not specifically targeted to only work on the breast. swallowing it doesnt mean that it will get absorbed and make its way straight to the breast and only the breast. and applying it to the breast doesnt mean it will stay there and work right away within the breast only. breast enlargement is a side effect of other related hormonal changes that happens when there are enough herbs in your system to cause a shift. that shift doesnt happen only in the breast area. it happens all over the body and hopefully we can direct most of the hormones to the breast. massages, heating pads, prolactin are all suppose to direct hormones to the breast. topical application doesnt work directly to cause breast enlargement and it has been shown through systems like mykelco to be untrue.
if this idea of breast enlargement by applying herbs directly to the site of the breast really worked then this system would be a big success instead of a misurable faliure and scam. the only thing all women who used this system had to do was massage the herb batter to their breast. some even drank their batter and they got nothing still. so its not the herbs' direct application to the breast that makes the difference its just the amount of herbs that make it into the blood stream that gets women growing better.
technically you can apply your breast batter all over your body but i guess women feel that they are actually doing something more if they only apply it to their breast which is fine. beleiving that may have an effect of the subconciouse any may help NBE all the more.
