[EllaC]

that was an interesting read! now i see why cheese's are ok!

[charrr]

Some good, positive stuff in here, today! Glad I stopped by.
I heard that thing about full fat dairy a couple of years ago and I almost did a backflip. Since I was a child, I was just crept out by skim milk and I would rather not have low fat cheese or yogurt than have any at all. I wouldn't even drink skim or lowfat when I found out it was healthier! I still prefer whole milk and sometimes, to the gasps of my friends (hehehe), I treat myself to half&half or heavy whipping cream. I straight up drink it!
Anyway, glad that you are feeling more confident about yourself. Isn't it kind of ridiculous how much we "value" what other people think about how we look sometimes. I am glad I am kinda over it.
Also, I found out that size is not necessarily the deciding factor. It's just boobs, butts, noses, lats. Pardon me for saying this, but I laughed a good laugh the other day trying to figure out exactly why people are attracted to bodies. I mean, I might be able to point out a nice butt, but butts are still butts and butts are kinda gross to me. Isn't that funny? But I guess the totality of the body- the curves, and angles, lines, structure, function- the idea of a body created is really beautiful. The rest of it is just opinion, aesthetics, and hormones- perhaps.
NBE and my self improvement is for me. I think that if people started commenting too much on my stuff, someone might get punched. I have already noticed that my curves are enjoyed by one of my guy friends to the point where his nose is in danger. One of my female friends kind of got side-eye from me after she made "too many" compliments on my figure. I was thinking, "Isn't she married to a man?" Silly to expend so much energy on any of these people's opinion. The most hawt, hawt men and women "in the world" still have "competition. Hahaha. We sit around waiting for comments, but when it is unwanted, we translate that into creepiness (which unfortunately is a possibility). Lawds, humans can act ridiculous creatures. I don't give two farts if my NBE has someone else's approval. Looking good to my husband is only a bonus. Come on, y'all! Hahaha!
More good luck to you, girls. We done growed inside and outside. NBE bonus: self therapy!

[msnewboobies]

Some good, positive stuff in here, today! Glad I stopped by.
I heard that thing about full fat dairy a couple of years ago and I almost did a backflip. Since I was a child, I was just crept out by skim milk and I would rather not have low fat cheese or yogurt than have any at all. I wouldn't even drink skim or lowfat when I found out it was healthier! I still prefer whole milk and sometimes, to the gasps of my friends (hehehe), I treat myself to half&half or heavy whipping cream. I straight up drink it!
Anyway, glad that you are feeling more confident about yourself. Isn't it kind of ridiculous how much we "value" what other people think about how we look sometimes. I am glad I am kinda over it.
Also, I found out that size is not necessarily the deciding factor. It's just boobs, butts, noses, lats. Pardon me for saying this, but I laughed a good laugh the other day trying to figure out exactly why people are attracted to bodies. I mean, I might be able to point out a nice butt, but butts are still butts and butts are kinda gross to me. Isn't that funny? But I guess the totality of the body- the curves, and angles, lines, structure, function- the idea of a body created is really beautiful. The rest of it is just opinion, aesthetics, and hormones- perhaps.
NBE and my self improvement is for me. I think that if people started commenting too much on my stuff, someone might get punched. I have already noticed that my curves are enjoyed by one of my guy friends to the point where his nose is in danger. One of my female friends kind of got side-eye from me after she made "too many" compliments on my figure. I was thinking, "Isn't she married to a man?" Silly to expend so much energy on any of these people's opinion. The most hawt, hawt men and women "in the world" still have "competition. Hahaha. We sit around waiting for comments, but when it is unwanted, we translate that into creepiness (which unfortunately is a possibility). Lawds, humans can act ridiculous creatures. I don't give two farts if my NBE has someone else's approval. Looking good to my husband is only a bonus. Come on, y'all! Hahaha!
More good luck to you, girls. We done growed inside and outside. NBE bonus: self therapy!

Love everything you wrote char! Especially the part about "valuing" what others think of how we look. Thanks I really needed that - something to bring me back down to earth lol - it's easy to get caught up in all this nbe stuff.. I used to think more like you when I started nbe. I guess I have just been frustrated because I feel like I should be bigger by now but that's just my booby greed coming through! I'm proud of my body now as everyone should be - ladies that are just starting, ladies that are growing, and ladies that have reached their goals. Love your body!
And more true words about growing inside and out!

[msnewboobies]

Boobies:

I think it's day 3 of applying the PM cream and my boobies are loving it! They look swollen right now and I noticed today my nipples are starting to darken - usually a side effect of pm.
I read that the right dosage is just enough for your breasts to feel sore. They don't feel sore all day but they feel sore about 15 min after I apply the cream. I think I made it a little too diluted because I have been applying a couple of times a day and haven't had any major soreness.
I definitely need to make it more concentrated next month. I also absolutely HATE the smell of the lotion I bought! It smells chemically.... this is the one I got..
http://www.jason-personalcare.com/produc...in-e-creme
I cannot stand the smell but since I only have to apply it for 4 more days, I'm just going to keep using it. Such a waste though wish I could return it.

Next month, I want to try it with this lotion (similar ingredients but with more vitamin e).. http://dermae.com/product/271/Vitamin-E-...%A8me.html

When I made the lotion, I thought I could just dissolve the powder from my pm capsules into water and then mix that into the lotion. Well, it didn't work quite as planned. Most of it dissolved but there are some pieces that didn't so the lotion is a little gritty.
Today, I put three capsules into a jar with distilled water. I am going to keep the jar in a dark place in my room and shake it every day until my next cycle when I need to use pm again - so about 4 weeks. This should help the powder release its main ingredients into the water. Then I can use a cheesecloth to filter out the gritty bits and then mix the water with the lotion. Last time I mixed it with 2 oz of lotion, but that was far too much. I'll probably mix it with just 1 ounce maybe even less. A little lotion really does go a long way.
Hopefully this will allow more pm to absorb into my skin too.


Height Update:
For anyone that is interested, I FEEL taller. And two people have told me I look taller recently that don't know I am trying to get taller
But I am waiting to measure myself at the end of this week! I'll post updates on that soon. Really hoping I am actually getting taller.

[hannah]

Boobies:

I think it's day 3 of applying the PM cream and my boobies are loving it! They look swollen right now and I noticed today my nipples are starting to darken - usually a side effect of pm.
I read that the right dosage is just enough for your breasts to feel sore. They don't feel sore all day but they feel sore about 15 min after I apply the cream. I think I made it a little too diluted because I have been applying a couple of times a day and haven't had any major soreness.
I definitely need to make it more concentrated next month. I also absolutely HATE the smell of the lotion I bought! It smells chemically.... this is the one I got..
http://www.jason-personalcare.com/produc...in-e-creme
I cannot stand the smell but since I only have to apply it for 4 more days, I'm just going to keep using it. Such a waste though wish I could return it.

Next month, I want to try it with this lotion (similar ingredients but with more vitamin e).. http://dermae.com/product/271/Vitamin-E-...%A8me.html

When I made the lotion, I thought I could just dissolve the powder from my pm capsules into water and then mix that into the lotion. Well, it didn't work quite as planned. Most of it dissolved but there are some pieces that didn't so the lotion is a little gritty.
Today, I put three capsules into a jar with distilled water. I am going to keep the jar in a dark place in my room and shake it every day until my next cycle when I need to use pm again - so about 4 weeks. This should help the powder release its main ingredients into the water. Then I can use a cheesecloth to filter out the gritty bits and then mix the water with the lotion. Last time I mixed it with 2 oz of lotion, but that was far too much. I'll probably mix it with just 1 ounce maybe even less. A little lotion really does go a long way.
Hopefully this will allow more pm to absorb into my skin too.


Height Update:
For anyone that is interested, I FEEL taller. And two people have told me I look taller recently that don't know I am trying to get taller
But I am waiting to measure myself at the end of this week! I'll post updates on that soon. Really hoping I am actually getting taller.

Oooh interesting...dont get too tall though then you cant wear heels anymore And I am definetely going to try your PM recipe..especially dissolving the powder in water for a month is the tip I needed....I never attempted to make my own PM cream...afraid of the ''horror end product'' id made it too...but you're clever..ill try that too Only whatcha think about mixing it with coconutoil, would that work? lol...its summer here and the lotion attracts terrible ''cow bugs'' that bite ya and actually chase you..

[msnewboobies]

Boobies:

I think it's day 3 of applying the PM cream and my boobies are loving it! They look swollen right now and I noticed today my nipples are starting to darken - usually a side effect of pm.
I read that the right dosage is just enough for your breasts to feel sore. They don't feel sore all day but they feel sore about 15 min after I apply the cream. I think I made it a little too diluted because I have been applying a couple of times a day and haven't had any major soreness.
I definitely need to make it more concentrated next month. I also absolutely HATE the smell of the lotion I bought! It smells chemically.... this is the one I got..
http://www.jason-personalcare.com/produc...in-e-creme
I cannot stand the smell but since I only have to apply it for 4 more days, I'm just going to keep using it. Such a waste though wish I could return it.

Next month, I want to try it with this lotion (similar ingredients but with more vitamin e).. http://dermae.com/product/271/Vitamin-E-...%A8me.html

When I made the lotion, I thought I could just dissolve the powder from my pm capsules into water and then mix that into the lotion. Well, it didn't work quite as planned. Most of it dissolved but there are some pieces that didn't so the lotion is a little gritty.
Today, I put three capsules into a jar with distilled water. I am going to keep the jar in a dark place in my room and shake it every day until my next cycle when I need to use pm again - so about 4 weeks. This should help the powder release its main ingredients into the water. Then I can use a cheesecloth to filter out the gritty bits and then mix the water with the lotion. Last time I mixed it with 2 oz of lotion, but that was far too much. I'll probably mix it with just 1 ounce maybe even less. A little lotion really does go a long way.
Hopefully this will allow more pm to absorb into my skin too.


Height Update:
For anyone that is interested, I FEEL taller. And two people have told me I look taller recently that don't know I am trying to get taller
But I am waiting to measure myself at the end of this week! I'll post updates on that soon. Really hoping I am actually getting taller.

Oooh interesting...dont get too tall though then you cant wear heels anymore And I am definetely going to try your PM recipe..especially dissolving the powder in water for a month is the tip I needed....I never attempted to make my own PM cream...afraid of the ''horror end product'' id made it too...but you're clever..ill try that too Only whatcha think about mixing it with coconutoil, would that work? lol...its summer here and the lotion attracts terrible ''cow bugs'' that bite ya and actually chase you..

Hahaha had to laugh at getting too tall. I wish that was the case!

So my pm has been soaking for about 3 weeks now and I'm actually not too sure if I want to use it... I'm a little worried about mold or bacteria that couldve grown. I think that oil is actually the better way to go since it'll probably dissolve even better and won't go rancid.
omgosh cow bugs!? that sounds frightening lol

I actually came up with another idea I am going to heat some rosehip oil on low/medium low and dissolve a few capsules into the oil and then let it cool and mix with my lotion!
Rosehip oil is a "dry" oil so it soaks into your skin really quickly. I was looking at which oils would soak in fastest so I don't have to walk around as a greasy mess or just letting the pm sit on top of my skin waiting for it to absorb.
Also, rosehip oil has a lot of nutrients that aid the skin in healing quickly and even fading stretch marks so I think it sounds like an especially great oil to tone up the breasts!

[msnewboobies]

Breast Update:


I think I need to apply PM at a different time. I started applying it on Day 6 I think and normally I end my period on day 8 or 9 - usually just a little bit of spotting during the last few days. I have long periods because of my IUD - before the iud I would have like 5 day periods or 4 days sometimes - really short.
But this time, it seemed like the PM EXTENDED my period. I had spotting up until day 12 or 13 I think!
Has anyone had this happen? I've heard of pm delaying the start of a period or causing spotting mid cycle but havent heard anyone have issues with it extending their period.
It makes sense though - estrogen builds up the walls of your uterus or something like that and your period is the shedding of the walls - so too much estrogen causes more "wall" to be expelled out.

I think this time I might start on Day 1 of my period or day 2/3 and then stop on day 10 or 11. My body responded well to stopping earlier. I had some mid cycle cramps on day 15 (sign that I ovulated). I'll use the same total amount of PM extract so I will be applying less each day.

Also, I will be dissolving the PM powder into rosehip seed oil then mixing it into my Vit E lotion.


Luteal Phase Notes

So I haven't had any substantial crazy growth. I think I will get 1/4" of growth from this cycle. Which hey I'm happy with But it's hard to tell. I hate measuring with a tape measurer - I just can't do it accurately! lol.
I thought I gained weight but I think I have just softened up a little bit from not being able to work out too consistently the past 3 weeks. or from water weight from the estrogen.
All of my measurements were the same (waist, underbust, bust etc) surprisingly but my breasts look fuller to me.

What messed me up during my luteal phase is that I went to an event last weekend and I was breaking out SO BAD for three days!! I had these tiny, skin-colored bumps all over my face mostly on my cheeks and forehead though! I have never in my life had a breakout this bad - in fact, I have never really had bad breakouts. I have mostly clear skin all the time. So I thought maybe it had something to do with my progesterone levels (I broke out really bad the day after I first started using a higher dose of PC) so I stopped using that for 4 days. But the pimples weren't really hormone pimples. I found out it was from this new face cleanser I tried ONCE - it had a highly comedogenic ingredient in it. yikes.
So at least it wasn't from hormones - but it threw off my PC application so I think I couldve gotten more growth this month.
I have been applying one dose every other day - I dont want to overdo it.


ALSO I have been having some serious scalp issues.
At first it started out feeling really really sore - like when you leave your hair up in a ponytail for too long. But I never tie my hair up. Then the soreness dissipated a little bit and it was getting extremely itchy. Just always itchy - I eventhought I might have lice! lol but I didnt. Then I got some weird white grain like things like dandruff but I have had dandruff and it didn't look the same/the itchiness usually doesn't accompany it.
I was researching for days what it could be then I came across the most likely cause --
i read that it's called a "sensitive scalp" and can happen when there is an imbalance in sebum production (too little sebum) which I think is what happened from drinking spearmint tea each day.
Which is still weird because my face still gets more oily than I would like but I guess my scalp is dry?
It has progressed into being more flakey dry now. So I stopped drinking the tea to take a little break. I haven't had instant relief yet but it does feel less sore and less itchy i think.

Hormones can be scary. I just cant wait until I am done with all of this business!


One last thing sorry this post is extremely long.
I have been looking for new bras. I really want some 28 band bras. The smallest I have are 30 and they have stretched out now. But I am petite so I always have this issue of the sides of the bra digging into my armpits! Its not because it's the cups are too big either - I have quadboob in my 32Cs and still get that digging pain. I think maybe my breasts just sit higher up and I have a narrow torso. So I am looking for a demi cup 28 band bra with preferably a little padding and narrow straps and narrow wires. Woo! It's been tough searching for that lol.

[missboobshirt]

*waves hand* that happened to me :/ When I first took PM, it made my period like-- non existent, it was awesome :p lol but then the 2nd cycle it came in light but it lasted like.. 5-6 days and my period usually only lasts for 3. I kind of felt like it was a result of me being E dom. But unless you're E dom too, now IDK.. hm!

hormones are scary I would say try to drink more water for the scalp issue as well! <3

[charrr]

Interesting thread! I feel you with the trying to balance NBE herbs that are said to be the most powerful. I tried several ways of taking PM, but my body doesn't like it. I could probably adjust it somehow, but I decided it was a sign. My last attempt was recently after taking a very long break. I soaked a bit in vodka for several weeks to make a topical. I thought I started it at the right time, but after just a couple two, three days of rubbing it on, breakouts and spotting happened and I became very tired- which I later found out were signs of estrogen sensitivity and I thought I already knew enough about e-dominance. I guess I didn't expect it to be that strong. There is always more one can learn, though.
My body has a been a most excellent teacher and since I appreciate all it's hard work, I immediately threw all my PM away. I have tried tincture, oils, micro-dosing, cycling, and so on. But it was niet- every time. One time, it delayed my period for almost 2 months, until I purposely stopped it. The next day, within less than 24 hours if I recall, Aunt Flo showed up heavily stayed on for over 3 weeks until I was quite run-down and a little sick. Giood thing I have a strong body. Thank the Heavens for my healing!
I also tried PC cream. But that was also non-negotiable. Being pear shaped and although I love my curvyness, it seems like it was being suddenly exagerrated by the PC and part of my NBE, is to balance my body. Again, thankful for my healing. Good luck y'all. Hope you find a healthy and effective balance.

[hannah]

Boobies:

I think it's day 3 of applying the PM cream and my boobies are loving it! They look swollen right now and I noticed today my nipples are starting to darken - usually a side effect of pm.
I read that the right dosage is just enough for your breasts to feel sore. They don't feel sore all day but they feel sore about 15 min after I apply the cream. I think I made it a little too diluted because I have been applying a couple of times a day and haven't had any major soreness.
I definitely need to make it more concentrated next month. I also absolutely HATE the smell of the lotion I bought! It smells chemically.... this is the one I got..
http://www.jason-personalcare.com/produc...in-e-creme
I cannot stand the smell but since I only have to apply it for 4 more days, I'm just going to keep using it. Such a waste though wish I could return it.

Next month, I want to try it with this lotion (similar ingredients but with more vitamin e).. http://dermae.com/product/271/Vitamin-E-...%A8me.html

When I made the lotion, I thought I could just dissolve the powder from my pm capsules into water and then mix that into the lotion. Well, it didn't work quite as planned. Most of it dissolved but there are some pieces that didn't so the lotion is a little gritty.
Today, I put three capsules into a jar with distilled water. I am going to keep the jar in a dark place in my room and shake it every day until my next cycle when I need to use pm again - so about 4 weeks. This should help the powder release its main ingredients into the water. Then I can use a cheesecloth to filter out the gritty bits and then mix the water with the lotion. Last time I mixed it with 2 oz of lotion, but that was far too much. I'll probably mix it with just 1 ounce maybe even less. A little lotion really does go a long way.
Hopefully this will allow more pm to absorb into my skin too.


Height Update:
For anyone that is interested, I FEEL taller. And two people have told me I look taller recently that don't know I am trying to get taller
But I am waiting to measure myself at the end of this week! I'll post updates on that soon. Really hoping I am actually getting taller.

Oooh interesting...dont get too tall though then you cant wear heels anymore And I am definetely going to try your PM recipe..especially dissolving the powder in water for a month is the tip I needed....I never attempted to make my own PM cream...afraid of the ''horror end product'' id made it too...but you're clever..ill try that too Only whatcha think about mixing it with coconutoil, would that work? lol...its summer here and the lotion attracts terrible ''cow bugs'' that bite ya and actually chase you..

Hahaha had to laugh at getting too tall. I wish that was the case!

So my pm has been soaking for about 3 weeks now and I'm actually not too sure if I want to use it... I'm a little worried about mold or bacteria that couldve grown. I think that oil is actually the better way to go since it'll probably dissolve even better and won't go rancid.
omgosh cow bugs!? that sounds frightening lol

I actually came up with another idea I am going to heat some rosehip oil on low/medium low and dissolve a few capsules into the oil and then let it cool and mix with my lotion!
Rosehip oil is a "dry" oil so it soaks into your skin really quickly. I was looking at which oils would soak in fastest so I don't have to walk around as a greasy mess or just letting the pm sit on top of my skin waiting for it to absorb.
Also, rosehip oil has a lot of nutrients that aid the skin in healing quickly and even fading stretch marks so I think it sounds like an especially great oil to tone up the breasts!

I read about rosehip, i think its an excellent oil full of vitamin C and minerals...Maybe only make little of it seeing the bacteria thing....I still havent tried making a good topical...so scared of using something gory and rancid on me...then making myself ill or something..sometimes NBE is just hilarious. I once had a very bad experience with accidentally throwing rancid FSO on me it smelled very growse..i jumped in the shower instantly.
Are you still using fennel oil btw?

I think youre doing good stopping the spearmint...I have been taking astaxanthine 4mg daily(an anti-androgen/antioxidant) and I eventually got the same itch-problem behind my ears and on my face and a bit on my scalp too...the skin felt very dry indeed especially behind my ears and at the same time a bit oily and some blackheads in my face. Now I take one in 3 days and things cleared up luckily.