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Which is the best pump?
August 5 2008 at 11:40 PM Itty Bitty (no login)
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I try to search for this answer, but I couldn't find it. What is the general consensus about which pump is the best. I would like to use an expensive pump, I'm not too concerned about immediate results either.
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Itty Bitty
(no login) Re: Which is the best pump? August 6 2008, 6:13 AM
ok I did more research and I see NB and BB are the popular pumps. But is it possible to buy a breast pump from walmart or something.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 11 2008, 10:16 PM
I'd say Brava if you can definitely commit the time and BB otherwise - the others probably aren't worth buying.
lynn
(no login) breast pump August 12 2008, 7:23 AM
I have been using an electric Evenflo pump for 2+ years with good results. Only cost $45 at Kmart. 15 min. each side 2x a week is a good start.
kieyah
(Login kieyah)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 12 2008, 5:43 PM
be careful using pumps ment for expressing milk. There is a girl on here that gave herself a bad case of mastitus using suction on her nipples. the pumps ment for breast enlargement actually suction the whole breast, not just the nipples. pumping nipples only and stimulating in that manner is dangerous.
lynn
(no login) breast pump August 12 2008, 6:29 PM
Why would suctioning the whole breast be good for it? It sounds to me like these breast pumping devices have had no medical review and some women are getting blue breasts. Breast stimulation happens from the nipples; that's what breasts are designed for. I've never had any trouble with my Evenflo pump after several years: no soreness, mastitis or anything, except good fullness and symmetry.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 12 2008, 8:47 PM
Suction isn't really related to stimulation causing natural breast growth, it's more to do with damaging the tissue to promote growth-and-repair cell proliferation. The breasts would probably be healthiest if left well alone but for those of us who are desperate this is the least damaging solution.
lynn
(no login) which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 4:44 AM
Louise,
Do you have any references on suction causing damage? What method are you referring to? I have had good results from using a breastfeeding type pump for almost 3 years and it feels like my ducts are stimulated and some liquid comes out when squeezed. Where are the results from women using regular breast pumps instead of these things you wear for long periods of time?
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 6:43 PM
Lynn,
Have you breastfed previously? Other people who've breastfed have described similar from massage. I can tell the tissue I've grown from BB isn't breast tissue as it's not all in the actual breasts it's pretty evenly distributed over the area covered by the domes (and I used the XL as they give biggest swelling). As I said it looks ok to the casual observer but I know what was there before. If you look on the Brava website or the papers published by the doctor who developed Brava they will tell you about suction related tissue growth.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 9:32 PM
Hi All,
Here is an interesting article that was talking about the experimental study done to confirm non-surgical breast enlargement using an external soft tissue expansion system - in other words Brava:
http://www.plasreconsurg.com/pt/re/prs/a...29!8091!-1
Taken from this article it states that:
"Magnetic resonance images showed no edema and confirmed the proportionate enlargement of both adipose and fibroglandular tissue components."
Now, granted this was a small study done with just 17 participants, but it does indicate that continuous moderate level suction applied to the breast can create permanent tissue increase in both fat and glandular tissues, not just fibrotic changes associated with scarring.
I have no doubt Louise that part of your growth is a sort of fibrotic tissue - especially since you feel in in the areas the domes covered. This however may be your bodies personal response and may or may not be typical of the average response. I would also think that some (and maybe a lot) of your gains were indeed adipose and glandular.
I do think there indeed is a big difference between the methods employed by the various suction devices. Here is the way I am understanding it currently:
Brava - continuous moderate to low level pressure applied to the breast for 10 - 12 hours over the course of at least 10 weeks (but in reality more weeks are needed). This produces initial swelling which reduces over the course of the day. In time it can produce a permanent increase in breast adipose and glandular tissue along with a certain amount of fibrotic scarring in some individuals.
BB - intense pressure applied to the breast for 1 - 2 hours over the course of 8 weeks. This creates an immediate swelling and redness to the entire breast. There is a likelihood of tissue damage at least at the capillary level. The intense pressure results in inflammation which also increases the breast size. Results are supposed to be permanent after the 8 week mark and if they are they would likely be more associated with fibrotic scarring due to the extreme nature of the suction. Some adipose and glandular growth might be possible but less likely due to the shorter duration of both the pressure and length of weeks indicated.
Noogleberry (and other hand pump or mouth suction methods) - low to moderate level pressure applied to the breast usually for several 10 minute or 30 minute sessions each day. This creates immediate swelling and if the level is low enough no redness or damage at the capillary level. The short duration of the suction will be unlikely to product permanent results but there is a possibility for some to achieve small amounts of adipose or glandular increase if the method is employed for long enough and residual swelling is maintained for long durations. Residual swelling can be maintained with 2 or 3 weekly sessions.
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Now as far as tissue expansion with an external device what is needed to create permanent results is mild to moderate pressure that does not lead to long term redness of the breast (no capillary damage). This suction should remain for at least 2 hours. This method should be used for many weeks in a row.
Brava has a track record of proven results - but obviously some women will respond better than others. Just like some women respond to herbs faster, there is a difference in the way women deposit fat and grow glandular tissue in the breast. Some are fast responders, some are poor responders. Probably response could be improved if environmental factors were influenced (better nutrition leading to fat gain and glandular growth).
My theory is that any low level suction done for long enough will produce not only the temporary swelling response, but eventually permanent changes. I am going to say that 2 hours could be enough (that is 2 hours straight, not two 1 hour sessions). If we use the success history of Brava as a starting point, then the thousands of hours would need to be duplicated for this kind of growth. That means (12hrs x 7 days) 84 hours per week for 15 weeks - or 1260 hours. With a 2 hour per day method (1260/2 = 630 days) this would equal 90 weeks... Or almost 2 years of daily suction for 2 hours per day.
I do not believe that anyone has tested this theory so it is neither proved nor disproved. Certainly as far as a time line we would not have many who would be willing to invest that much time in this - but to those of you who cannot fathom the dedication necessary for Brava - this could be an alternative.
Here is what you would need to do this method:
1. a pump that would not be too extreme (BB is just too strong)- the breasts must not be made red or purple from the pumping, but they also must swell in the domes
2. a method of tying off the tubes to maintain the pressure
3. a bra or other support to allow the domes to stay in place for 2 hours
4. shear determination for a period of 2 years
The only things this method has going for it is that it could be done very cheaply (hand suction devices are inexpensive) - it will provide immediate short term swelling results - it will not damage tissue and it is essentially mobile.
As I say, this is just my theory. Perhaps you have noticed something I have overlooked and if so I would love to hear about it. If you think I am crazy... well, I think we have already established that a long time ago... lol.
I will be looking for the means to do this myself and I will let you know what I find...
I welcome your input,
waxingmoon
lynn
(no login) which is the best pump? August 14 2008, 1:50 AM
Thanks for the info, WM. I guess I'd describe what I am doing as low-level suction. My breasts don't produce any fluid from the pump but I can squeeze (or squirt on occasion) liquid from the nipples daily if I keep my water drinking up. I started in fall 2005.
I have breastfed both my children, each for a year in 1995-6 and 1998-9. I got the idea of buying an electric pump after seeing a photo of me while lactating, while having trouble filling the right side of a bra. I pump the right one more than the left. The size of my breasts is strongly correlated to how much pumping I do and water I drink, and I am able to reclaim size after going weeks without the pump. The only adverse effect I have is afternoon sleepiness, but I can stay awake later at night.
I would never use anything that hurt or bruised my breasts. Other breast enhancement websites say the pumping devices don't work, but is there info about relactation and size gained? I realize I don't have the time to spend pumping as I would need to lactate, but to achieve a size up, you don't have to do it that frequently.
kieyah
(Login kieyah)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 14 2008, 4:23 AM
Lousie, how long have you been completely suction-free? It may be that your new tissue growth just hasn't had time to return to normal yet. I remember with my first bout with BB that I really thought it was only growing the muscle underneath because the growth felt so firm around where the rims sat. But after a couple months of completely discontinued use, it softened and felt just normal soft breast. I suspect it was swelling that made the area feel firm and then as the swelling went away, the tissue returned to normal feel/texture, except much bigger!
August 5 2008 at 11:40 PM Itty Bitty (no login)
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I try to search for this answer, but I couldn't find it. What is the general consensus about which pump is the best. I would like to use an expensive pump, I'm not too concerned about immediate results either.
Author Reply
Itty Bitty
(no login) Re: Which is the best pump? August 6 2008, 6:13 AM
ok I did more research and I see NB and BB are the popular pumps. But is it possible to buy a breast pump from walmart or something.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 11 2008, 10:16 PM
I'd say Brava if you can definitely commit the time and BB otherwise - the others probably aren't worth buying.
lynn
(no login) breast pump August 12 2008, 7:23 AM
I have been using an electric Evenflo pump for 2+ years with good results. Only cost $45 at Kmart. 15 min. each side 2x a week is a good start.
kieyah
(Login kieyah)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 12 2008, 5:43 PM
be careful using pumps ment for expressing milk. There is a girl on here that gave herself a bad case of mastitus using suction on her nipples. the pumps ment for breast enlargement actually suction the whole breast, not just the nipples. pumping nipples only and stimulating in that manner is dangerous.
lynn
(no login) breast pump August 12 2008, 6:29 PM
Why would suctioning the whole breast be good for it? It sounds to me like these breast pumping devices have had no medical review and some women are getting blue breasts. Breast stimulation happens from the nipples; that's what breasts are designed for. I've never had any trouble with my Evenflo pump after several years: no soreness, mastitis or anything, except good fullness and symmetry.
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 12 2008, 8:47 PM
Suction isn't really related to stimulation causing natural breast growth, it's more to do with damaging the tissue to promote growth-and-repair cell proliferation. The breasts would probably be healthiest if left well alone but for those of us who are desperate this is the least damaging solution.
lynn
(no login) which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 4:44 AM
Louise,
Do you have any references on suction causing damage? What method are you referring to? I have had good results from using a breastfeeding type pump for almost 3 years and it feels like my ducts are stimulated and some liquid comes out when squeezed. Where are the results from women using regular breast pumps instead of these things you wear for long periods of time?
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 6:43 PM
Lynn,
Have you breastfed previously? Other people who've breastfed have described similar from massage. I can tell the tissue I've grown from BB isn't breast tissue as it's not all in the actual breasts it's pretty evenly distributed over the area covered by the domes (and I used the XL as they give biggest swelling). As I said it looks ok to the casual observer but I know what was there before. If you look on the Brava website or the papers published by the doctor who developed Brava they will tell you about suction related tissue growth.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 13 2008, 9:32 PM
Hi All,
Here is an interesting article that was talking about the experimental study done to confirm non-surgical breast enlargement using an external soft tissue expansion system - in other words Brava:
http://www.plasreconsurg.com/pt/re/prs/a...29!8091!-1
Taken from this article it states that:
"Magnetic resonance images showed no edema and confirmed the proportionate enlargement of both adipose and fibroglandular tissue components."
Now, granted this was a small study done with just 17 participants, but it does indicate that continuous moderate level suction applied to the breast can create permanent tissue increase in both fat and glandular tissues, not just fibrotic changes associated with scarring.
I have no doubt Louise that part of your growth is a sort of fibrotic tissue - especially since you feel in in the areas the domes covered. This however may be your bodies personal response and may or may not be typical of the average response. I would also think that some (and maybe a lot) of your gains were indeed adipose and glandular.
I do think there indeed is a big difference between the methods employed by the various suction devices. Here is the way I am understanding it currently:
Brava - continuous moderate to low level pressure applied to the breast for 10 - 12 hours over the course of at least 10 weeks (but in reality more weeks are needed). This produces initial swelling which reduces over the course of the day. In time it can produce a permanent increase in breast adipose and glandular tissue along with a certain amount of fibrotic scarring in some individuals.
BB - intense pressure applied to the breast for 1 - 2 hours over the course of 8 weeks. This creates an immediate swelling and redness to the entire breast. There is a likelihood of tissue damage at least at the capillary level. The intense pressure results in inflammation which also increases the breast size. Results are supposed to be permanent after the 8 week mark and if they are they would likely be more associated with fibrotic scarring due to the extreme nature of the suction. Some adipose and glandular growth might be possible but less likely due to the shorter duration of both the pressure and length of weeks indicated.
Noogleberry (and other hand pump or mouth suction methods) - low to moderate level pressure applied to the breast usually for several 10 minute or 30 minute sessions each day. This creates immediate swelling and if the level is low enough no redness or damage at the capillary level. The short duration of the suction will be unlikely to product permanent results but there is a possibility for some to achieve small amounts of adipose or glandular increase if the method is employed for long enough and residual swelling is maintained for long durations. Residual swelling can be maintained with 2 or 3 weekly sessions.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Now as far as tissue expansion with an external device what is needed to create permanent results is mild to moderate pressure that does not lead to long term redness of the breast (no capillary damage). This suction should remain for at least 2 hours. This method should be used for many weeks in a row.
Brava has a track record of proven results - but obviously some women will respond better than others. Just like some women respond to herbs faster, there is a difference in the way women deposit fat and grow glandular tissue in the breast. Some are fast responders, some are poor responders. Probably response could be improved if environmental factors were influenced (better nutrition leading to fat gain and glandular growth).
My theory is that any low level suction done for long enough will produce not only the temporary swelling response, but eventually permanent changes. I am going to say that 2 hours could be enough (that is 2 hours straight, not two 1 hour sessions). If we use the success history of Brava as a starting point, then the thousands of hours would need to be duplicated for this kind of growth. That means (12hrs x 7 days) 84 hours per week for 15 weeks - or 1260 hours. With a 2 hour per day method (1260/2 = 630 days) this would equal 90 weeks... Or almost 2 years of daily suction for 2 hours per day.
I do not believe that anyone has tested this theory so it is neither proved nor disproved. Certainly as far as a time line we would not have many who would be willing to invest that much time in this - but to those of you who cannot fathom the dedication necessary for Brava - this could be an alternative.
Here is what you would need to do this method:
1. a pump that would not be too extreme (BB is just too strong)- the breasts must not be made red or purple from the pumping, but they also must swell in the domes
2. a method of tying off the tubes to maintain the pressure
3. a bra or other support to allow the domes to stay in place for 2 hours
4. shear determination for a period of 2 years
The only things this method has going for it is that it could be done very cheaply (hand suction devices are inexpensive) - it will provide immediate short term swelling results - it will not damage tissue and it is essentially mobile.
As I say, this is just my theory. Perhaps you have noticed something I have overlooked and if so I would love to hear about it. If you think I am crazy... well, I think we have already established that a long time ago... lol.
I will be looking for the means to do this myself and I will let you know what I find...
I welcome your input,
waxingmoon
lynn
(no login) which is the best pump? August 14 2008, 1:50 AM
Thanks for the info, WM. I guess I'd describe what I am doing as low-level suction. My breasts don't produce any fluid from the pump but I can squeeze (or squirt on occasion) liquid from the nipples daily if I keep my water drinking up. I started in fall 2005.
I have breastfed both my children, each for a year in 1995-6 and 1998-9. I got the idea of buying an electric pump after seeing a photo of me while lactating, while having trouble filling the right side of a bra. I pump the right one more than the left. The size of my breasts is strongly correlated to how much pumping I do and water I drink, and I am able to reclaim size after going weeks without the pump. The only adverse effect I have is afternoon sleepiness, but I can stay awake later at night.
I would never use anything that hurt or bruised my breasts. Other breast enhancement websites say the pumping devices don't work, but is there info about relactation and size gained? I realize I don't have the time to spend pumping as I would need to lactate, but to achieve a size up, you don't have to do it that frequently.
kieyah
(Login kieyah)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Which is the best pump? August 14 2008, 4:23 AM
Lousie, how long have you been completely suction-free? It may be that your new tissue growth just hasn't had time to return to normal yet. I remember with my first bout with BB that I really thought it was only growing the muscle underneath because the growth felt so firm around where the rims sat. But after a couple months of completely discontinued use, it softened and felt just normal soft breast. I suspect it was swelling that made the area feel firm and then as the swelling went away, the tissue returned to normal feel/texture, except much bigger!