[Tinytown]

Hello there! 

I could use your guys expertise. So I'm on birth control but i want to use an anti androgen. I heard saw palmetto impacts BCP effectiveness. Any anti androgens out there that doesn't affect BCP?

I'm not really sure how the NBE methods react with BCP. I've never really used oral contraceptives. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful 

[DoubleDplease]

Hello there! 

I could use your guys expertise. So I'm on birth control but i want to use an anti androgen. I heard saw palmetto impacts BCP effectiveness. Any anti androgens out there that doesn't affect BCP?

I'm not really sure how the NBE methods react with BCP. I've never really used oral contraceptives. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful 

Ahh no worries Tinytown! Thank you for the response tho hun. I'm really contemplating going on a copper IUD even though it scares the heck out of me just to fully do NBE without worrying about BCP effectiveness. I took BO twice a day for a month and got a great fullness from it.  I stopped after because I got scared of BCP effectiveness dropping. Taking MSM right now 4000mg per day and it's really making my breasts nice and full.  Hopefully I'll start NBE again soon! Dreaming about them DoubleDs

[janny]

This is the combination and ingredients in the liver formula 

Amount Per Serving
% Daily ValueMilk Thistle Seed Extract(standardized to 80% silymarin)
175 mg
Dandelion Root
85 mg
Black Radish Root
60 mg
Burdock Root
60 mg
Ginger Root
60 mg
Parsley Leaf
35 mg
So please what other androgens are you thinking about? I have tried reishi (not very good with BO), wild yam is supposed to be antiandrogen, isnt it? And I do not know why but the combination 2caps vitex, 1 caps wild yam, 1caps  of chinese skullcap and half a dropper of 
BO is a great combo when I have great face without acne and perfect hair..but sometimes during a month it seems like more oily skin and bad hair.. I will definitely try your advice and use the BO on its own....but for how long ? I relaly have problem with the androgens, but need something what just combats DHT, not estrogenic stuff because for example spearmint capsules was no good for me at all... btw how are you going with the BO?? do you have any negative effects?? how much have you grown so far?

[janny]

If your receptors are sensitive, then you should experience some changes in your breast. Tingling, growing pains, swelling, fullness and things like that. If your receptors are desensitized- usually because of too much stimulation from their respective hormones- then your breasts won't respond to anything additional.

I actually read in the eBook to use vitex only if you are experiencing puffy nipples. And if it's interfering with growth, leave it alone. It should be used minimally and only when needed.

If they are fuller and wider you are probably at or near the right dose. If you're comfortable with the dose then stick with it. If you're adventurous, you can experiment a little with more. Just don't use more than 20 drops three times a day. Also, if you experience any negative side effects then drop back down to the lower dose.

It took about 2 months

so much wisedom in just a post! you're 100% right. Thats why I always say we should start at the minimum dose to see how our bodies react to it!

It sounds like androgens are taking over. Acne and hairiness is a HUGE red flag.

I would definitely do a detox. I did a detox before I began NBE back in December. The one I used was from Global Healing Center. I used Livatrex and the program that he details on the website.

After you detox, I would slowly start with just the BO. Everyone is different and your body may be converting estrogen into testosterone or DHT more rapidly than mine or someone else.

I have trouble with androgens. I am totally convinced that's what stunted my breast growth in the first place. I became excessively hairy and muscular during puberty. When I was in my early twenties I spoke to my doctor. They did some quick blood tests and dismissed me.   

Give yourself a month with just the BO to see how your body responds. Definitely stay away fro Vitex all together. It does have a reputation for shrinking. I use a very tiny amount because I have huge puffy nipples. But you should avoid it!!!

After a month, you may want to try peony. I've been using it to help keep androgens low. You have to get the right kind though. Also, you have to see if it's working with your body not against it.

White peony raised my blood pressure somehow and it is estrogenic, isn't it? I used swansons white peony full spectrum, because I was not able to find any better... I am taking chinese skullcap swanson as well, I read it here that it is good for androgens, however it gives me cellulite :id you experience worse hair after using BO on its own? without wild yam, without vitex ...? I tried it 2 days ago and I was quite nervous and moody the next day...I have ordered milk thistle to detox my liver, hope it will come soon, so I can start..drinking warm water with lemon juice is also supposed to clean liver, and beetroot and carrot juice as well, aren't they? I am long, I know, sorry, but I really appreciate your responses and help

I would definitely stay away from the peony. There are other herbs that help keep androgens down. I can't think of any off the top of my head though. I'll do another post with some other herbs. I haven't ever used them, I just know about them.

I've had no side effects from the BO. If you are experiencing any bad side effects, then my advice would be to leave it alone. Your body is telling you that something hormonal is getting off balanced and that could be VERY dangerous.

As for the detoxing of the liver, everything sounds good. Just beware of milk thistle. I use it to help increase my prolactin and progesterone levels and it works. It may cause an unwanted hormone imbalance. I would use either Livershield or Livatrex. They are both the same thing, just with different names. They contain milk thistle and other herbs that help detox and help with liver functions. But the amount of milk thistle is very low. Not enough to affect my hormones.



This is the combination and ingredients in the liver formula 

Amount Per Serving
% Daily ValueMilk Thistle Seed Extract(standardized to 80% silymarin)
175 mg
Dandelion Root
85 mg
Black Radish Root
60 mg
Burdock Root
60 mg
Ginger Root
60 mg
Parsley Leaf
35 mg
So please what other androgens are you thinking about? I have tried reishi (not very good with BO), wild yam is supposed to be antiandrogen, isnt it? And I do not know why but the combination 2caps vitex, 1 caps wild yam, 1caps  of chinese skullcap and half a dropper of 
BO is a great combo when I have great face without acne and perfect hair..but sometimes during a month it seems like more oily skin and bad hair.. I will definitely try your advice and use the BO on its own....but for how long ? I relaly have problem with the androgens, but need something what just combats DHT, not estrogenic stuff because for example spearmint capsules was no good for me at all... btw how are you going with the BO?? do you have any negative effects?? how much have you grown so far?

[Tinytown]

so much wisedom in just a post! you're 100% right. Thats why I always say we should start at the minimum dose to see how our bodies react to it!

It sounds like androgens are taking over. Acne and hairiness is a HUGE red flag.

I would definitely do a detox. I did a detox before I began NBE back in December. The one I used was from Global Healing Center. I used Livatrex and the program that he details on the website.

After you detox, I would slowly start with just the BO. Everyone is different and your body may be converting estrogen into testosterone or DHT more rapidly than mine or someone else.

I have trouble with androgens. I am totally convinced that's what stunted my breast growth in the first place. I became excessively hairy and muscular during puberty. When I was in my early twenties I spoke to my doctor. They did some quick blood tests and dismissed me.   

Give yourself a month with just the BO to see how your body responds. Definitely stay away fro Vitex all together. It does have a reputation for shrinking. I use a very tiny amount because I have huge puffy nipples. But you should avoid it!!!

After a month, you may want to try peony. I've been using it to help keep androgens low. You have to get the right kind though. Also, you have to see if it's working with your body not against it.

White peony raised my blood pressure somehow and it is estrogenic, isn't it? I used swansons white peony full spectrum, because I was not able to find any better... I am taking chinese skullcap swanson as well, I read it here that it is good for androgens, however it gives me cellulite :id you experience worse hair after using BO on its own? without wild yam, without vitex ...? I tried it 2 days ago and I was quite nervous and moody the next day...I have ordered milk thistle to detox my liver, hope it will come soon, so I can start..drinking warm water with lemon juice is also supposed to clean liver, and beetroot and carrot juice as well, aren't they? I am long, I know, sorry, but I really appreciate your responses and help

I would definitely stay away from the peony. There are other herbs that help keep androgens down. I can't think of any off the top of my head though. I'll do another post with some other herbs. I haven't ever used them, I just know about them.

I've had no side effects from the BO. If you are experiencing any bad side effects, then my advice would be to leave it alone. Your body is telling you that something hormonal is getting off balanced and that could be VERY dangerous.

As for the detoxing of the liver, everything sounds good. Just beware of milk thistle. I use it to help increase my prolactin and progesterone levels and it works. It may cause an unwanted hormone imbalance. I would use either Livershield or Livatrex. They are both the same thing, just with different names. They contain milk thistle and other herbs that help detox and help with liver functions. But the amount of milk thistle is very low. Not enough to affect my hormones.



This is the combination and ingredients in the liver formula 

Amount Per Serving
% Daily ValueMilk Thistle Seed Extract(standardized to 80% silymarin)
175 mg
Dandelion Root
85 mg
Black Radish Root
60 mg
Burdock Root
60 mg
Ginger Root
60 mg
Parsley Leaf
35 mg
So please what other androgens are you thinking about? I have tried reishi (not very good with BO), wild yam is supposed to be antiandrogen, isnt it? And I do not know why but the combination 2caps vitex, 1 caps wild yam, 1caps  of chinese skullcap and half a dropper of 
BO is a great combo when I have great face without acne and perfect hair..but sometimes during a month it seems like more oily skin and bad hair.. I will definitely try your advice and use the BO on its own....but for how long ? I relaly have problem with the androgens, but need something what just combats DHT, not estrogenic stuff because for example spearmint capsules was no good for me at all... btw how are you going with the BO?? do you have any negative effects?? how much have you grown so far?

Not sure if wild yam is anti androgen. I use it to help raise progesterone.

I'd use BO by itself for one month (after doing the liver cleanse). Then I would try using the Chinese skullcap if it's working for you. I haven't heard of it. But I've only been learning about NBE for 6 months.

BO is going great for me. No negative effects. My breasts are definitely growing! I can actually begin to see a difference and I definitely feel a difference of size when I grab them. They are pushing out of my new bra some too. 

I have difficulty measuring them though. I really need help on how to get accurate measurements. I may go to the lingerie department and see if someone can help me with more accurate measurements.

[sweetorange]

It sounds like androgens are taking over. Acne and hairiness is a HUGE red flag.

I would definitely do a detox. I did a detox before I began NBE back in December. The one I used was from Global Healing Center. I used Livatrex and the program that he details on the website.

After you detox, I would slowly start with just the BO. Everyone is different and your body may be converting estrogen into testosterone or DHT more rapidly than mine or someone else.

I have trouble with androgens. I am totally convinced that's what stunted my breast growth in the first place. I became excessively hairy and muscular during puberty. When I was in my early twenties I spoke to my doctor. They did some quick blood tests and dismissed me.   

Give yourself a month with just the BO to see how your body responds. Definitely stay away fro Vitex all together. It does have a reputation for shrinking. I use a very tiny amount because I have huge puffy nipples. But you should avoid it!!!

After a month, you may want to try peony. I've been using it to help keep androgens low. You have to get the right kind though. Also, you have to see if it's working with your body not against it.

White peony raised my blood pressure somehow and it is estrogenic, isn't it? I used swansons white peony full spectrum, because I was not able to find any better... I am taking chinese skullcap swanson as well, I read it here that it is good for androgens, however it gives me cellulite :id you experience worse hair after using BO on its own? without wild yam, without vitex ...? I tried it 2 days ago and I was quite nervous and moody the next day...I have ordered milk thistle to detox my liver, hope it will come soon, so I can start..drinking warm water with lemon juice is also supposed to clean liver, and beetroot and carrot juice as well, aren't they? I am long, I know, sorry, but I really appreciate your responses and help

I would definitely stay away from the peony. There are other herbs that help keep androgens down. I can't think of any off the top of my head though. I'll do another post with some other herbs. I haven't ever used them, I just know about them.

I've had no side effects from the BO. If you are experiencing any bad side effects, then my advice would be to leave it alone. Your body is telling you that something hormonal is getting off balanced and that could be VERY dangerous.

As for the detoxing of the liver, everything sounds good. Just beware of milk thistle. I use it to help increase my prolactin and progesterone levels and it works. It may cause an unwanted hormone imbalance. I would use either Livershield or Livatrex. They are both the same thing, just with different names. They contain milk thistle and other herbs that help detox and help with liver functions. But the amount of milk thistle is very low. Not enough to affect my hormones.



This is the combination and ingredients in the liver formula 

Amount Per Serving
% Daily ValueMilk Thistle Seed Extract(standardized to 80% silymarin)
175 mg
Dandelion Root
85 mg
Black Radish Root
60 mg
Burdock Root
60 mg
Ginger Root
60 mg
Parsley Leaf
35 mg
So please what other androgens are you thinking about? I have tried reishi (not very good with BO), wild yam is supposed to be antiandrogen, isnt it? And I do not know why but the combination 2caps vitex, 1 caps wild yam, 1caps  of chinese skullcap and half a dropper of 
BO is a great combo when I have great face without acne and perfect hair..but sometimes during a month it seems like more oily skin and bad hair.. I will definitely try your advice and use the BO on its own....but for how long ? I relaly have problem with the androgens, but need something what just combats DHT, not estrogenic stuff because for example spearmint capsules was no good for me at all... btw how are you going with the BO?? do you have any negative effects?? how much have you grown so far?

Not sure if wild yam is anti androgen. I use it to help raise progesterone.

I'd use BO by itself for one month (after doing the liver cleanse). Then I would try using the Chinese skullcap if it's working for you. I haven't heard of it. But I've only been learning about NBE for 6 months.

BO is going great for me. No negative effects. My breasts are definitely growing! I can actually begin to see a difference and I definitely feel a difference of size when I grab them. They are pushing out of my new bra some too. 

I have difficulty measuring them though. I really need help on how to get accurate measurements. I may go to the lingerie department and see if someone can help me with more accurate measurements.

way to go!!!!

[janny]

Thank you very much...And I do have one more question..you said that vitex is supposed to shrink the breasts.do you think if I tried progesterone cream instead would the shrinkage happen as well? Or progesterone cream is different from the vitex?? I am trying to figure out if the boobage loss is due to androgens or vitex lowering prolactin too much...I am currently really disappointed and desperate because my hair is awful and breast tiny and overall look is more manly uglier than before
and one more note...It seems that I just cannot tolerate the milk thistle...it gives me states of nervousness, I am emotional, angry as hell, I even got acne on my forehead and chin.Is it normal? ...really do not feel very well after using just one tablet a day...
So would detox with just juices like carrot, lemon, lime, beetroot be sufficient? This is the same with NAC... I am like normal slim figure and after NAC a lost some pound I am without curves, so I just dont understand it
The only thing that works great for me it the licorice root tea, it raises my blood pressure a bit but also it helps with the male hormones I think, but i have read that you should not use it for a prolonged period...I am really frustrated

[Rehana]

Has anyone tried SP or spearmint tea with BO ?

I started bo a month ago - 1 cap (250mg) in the first week, increasing the dose to 2 caps in the morning. And it's been just 3 days I started having 3 capsules that I got Painful horrible acnes on back. So I stopped the Bo for now. Even I didn't feel anything !

When herbs didn't do anything, I switched to Bo .
I'm 32 AA Any suggestions ??

[janny]

Has anyone tried SP or spearmint tea with BO ?

I started bo a month ago - 1 cap (250mg) in the first week, increasing the dose to 2 caps in the morning. And it's been just 3 days I started having 3 capsules that I got Painful horrible acnes on back. So I stopped the Bo for now. Even I didn't feel anything !

When herbs didn't do anything, I switched to Bo .
I'm 32 AA Any suggestions ??

Hi!
This happened to me as well for the first time...I got terrible acne on my face, back, even behind my ears :O I think that it also depends on the BO..they are coctail of all the hormones even testosterone..some bottles contain more, some less...it influences me as well...spearmint was not very good in my case, it worsened my hair and face..it is estrogenic so maybe i do not tolerate it very well...I recommend you the licorice tea....it is great with BO...do u use progesterone cream??

[Rehana]

Has anyone tried SP or spearmint tea with BO ?

I started bo a month ago - 1 cap (250mg) in the first week, increasing the dose to 2 caps in the morning. And it's been just 3 days I started having 3 capsules that I got Painful horrible acnes on back. So I stopped the Bo for now. Even I didn't feel anything !

When herbs didn't do anything, I switched to Bo .
I'm 32 AA Any suggestions ??

Hi!
This happened to me as well for the first time...I got terrible acne on my face, back, even behind my ears :O I think that it also depends on the BO..they are coctail of all the hormones even testosterone..some bottles contain more, some less...it influences me as well...spearmint was not very good in my case, it worsened my hair and face..it is estrogenic so maybe i do not tolerate it very well...I recommend you the licorice tea....it is great with BO...do u use progesterone cream??

No I don't use PC. Licorice tea is also estrogenic , isn't it ? 
Before BO , I used vitex alone to balance hormones and it made my skin horrible - acne everywhere. So I stopped that and didn't take anything for approx a year. Now my skin is almost clear and can't think of worsening it again ! 
Please also check my hormones test result thread. I was slightly estrogen dominant.
I haven't checked now but I guess I'm almost on same levels !