[Jenniferlove]

I remain with it, pumping is not natural. If you apply some logical reasoning on this pumping thing(because we no evidence, the producer doenst care) you get that this plain dangerous. I can give a little example thatsin my mind atm, if you give yourself a sucking kiss, the same thing happens as with pumping only then on micro level. Whatdo see afterwards? All little vessels beeing bursted and bleeding underneath your skin. Now maximize this on to pumping scale, you are  now deeper in the skin, no longer talking about the little bursted capillaries anymore but you are touching the big arteries now. Have you all heard of valves? They are like doors to have a normal blood flow, one door opens the other door shuts and so the blood moves through your body without the valves blood starts pooling and has poor movement......these valves are like custom made, a little bit wider vein or some other damage breaks the valves like this picture( https://www.google.nl/search?biw=1280&bih=800&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=cRWYW4q8LM6xkwWz656QDg&ins=true&q=vein+valves&oq=vein+valves&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3..0i19l4j0i7i30i19.6025.8192..8561...0.0..0.160.881.7j3......0....1.........0j30i10j0i13j0i7i30.GmOQoEFVTXI#imgrc=KHVLDAxsuAXWEM: )

And you get what I have, more suspitable to disaese and inflammotion, bc of blood pooling instead of streaming through veins. Quickly tired, reduced endurance, nausea, bc it impacts the veins in the neck area as well, stomach and other problems in the belly area, different skin color then  before noogling, easy weightloss, and cold breasts. All complaints the noogleberry gave me. Not to say about the ugly nipples noogleberry gave me. Oh I also got acne straight after I noogled. With good diet its managable now, but ill have to take better care because this really damaged my body permanently. I cried years after making the mistake to Noogle.

Thats why everytime somebody opens up with problems from the Noogleberry, I speak out. Maybe if many girls would have the same experience we can do something. Because there is one person getting rich whilst making others diseased, and this person knows, yet she continues to sell these pumps. Sad for so many young girls thinking the Noogleberry is a harmless device.

Blood pooling.  Yes, that may be what's happening.  But there has to be an answer of what is causing it?  You never got to the root cause?  Does broken blood vessels seem like something it could be?

Its the valves that dont shut anymore... its causing blood to no longer travel up like as a stairs from door to door. The doors just stsy open, the heart and body have to work harder. A automatic response is beeing set on to make you puke but you never actually puke is that how it is for you as well?

I have much more to say but I am kinda blacking out atm....it brings up the trouble I try to leave behind(unfixed)  for so long. I dont know how to heal, have tried a lot....

Yes, I have nausea often.  There have to be answers.  No doctors have been able to help me so far which is terrifying.  They just throw antibiotics my way.  This is the first doctor that seems to actually care.  We are just waiting on approval for the CT and to see the ENT.  I am desperate for answers.

For me high dosages of vitC natural, and supplements plus eating foods high in flavanoids making it more managable. I used to suffer from thisall day and night, right know its a ciuple of times a week that i feel nausea. Just waiting doesnt help....its been yeaaaars that I used the invention of miss serialkiller Dann or whatever her name is. And still I suffer, I always longed for a big thread like this to get it all to the judge with many girls..

My doctors didnt knew, i dont want to tell anybody I used that thing, so its impossible to help me. I just think perhaps surgical intervention could help, but it will never be 100% the same. I dislike the fact that I get stress easily bc my system is already aggjtated from the hard work, then geting in a diffecult situation makes my heart beat like crazy....the peace in my body is kinda gone, and I often feel restless. I have restless legs too, and mylegs became verythin as with an old person..
All I did was the same as everybody in her fake forum did.....some gentle pumpjng....no purple or red breasts, not even ring marks or indentions..

I will not admit to the doctors that I used the pump either!  I think I have the advantage of having multiple traumas to those areas though to hopefully get looked at from the perspective of trauma.  Perhaps if you told them of no trauma they didn't know what to look for.  Who knows.

[hannah]

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[EllaC]

It is not usually pain.  Sometimes I will get a joint pain.  It is mostly a swelling in the neck and lymph node in my neck and under my jaw.  Both on left side only.  Then often extreme nausea and fatigue.  I am thinking it may be damaged blood vessels.  I hope the cat scan and ENT specialist can help.  I've been trying to treat this homeopathically for a year now with a super clean diet.  It may be keeping things from completely falling apart but it's definitely not healing!

That’s tough to hear, you must be quite freaked out to be honest. I thought swollen nodes were signs of infection not inflammation. 
I’m guessing you’ve gone down the road of vein strengthening herbs etc
Lymphatic drainage and rebounding etc to try get the swelling down ?
I know you would have exhausted all natural options Jen I hope you find a resolve x

Yes, I did all that for the first 6 months nothing helped.  Finally went on antibiotics which actually DID help, but everything came back.  It makes me wonder if I just needed stronger antibiotics or to take them longer?  No clue.  The new doctor I have immediately said that it sounds like trauma-related, which I HAVE broken my left elbow and have had two serious facial traumas in the past.  Include extreme pumping on one side and I certainly may have done a lot of damage!

Antibiotics will open up a new world of pain and problems!

Another thought as I’m using a diff kind of pump you continually look down and have your neck on awkward angles, so I’m noticing back pain, neck and shoulder so maybe look at an osteopath to realign your spine, won’t solVe your issues but a misaligned spine can also be responsible for many ills. Don’t see a chiropractor but rather osteo to do it on a much gentle manner, you use you4 own body through exercises to realign

I would not pump if I were you.  I am completely changing my mind on it.  I noticed from nearly the beginning my arm going numb while pumping but it would always bounce back.  I think I finally caused some serious damage that is only getting worse quickly.

You say that and I’ve noticed same thing, my hand going numb for hours at a time, due ly noted you guys xx

[Jenniferlove]

I remain with it, pumping is not natural. If you apply some logical reasoning on this pumping thing(because we no evidence, the producer doenst care) you get that this plain dangerous. I can give a little example thatsin my mind atm, if you give yourself a sucking kiss, the same thing happens as with pumping only then on micro level. Whatdo see afterwards? All little vessels beeing bursted and bleeding underneath your skin. Now maximize this on to pumping scale, you are  now deeper in the skin, no longer talking about the little bursted capillaries anymore but you are touching the big arteries now. Have you all heard of valves? They are like doors to have a normal blood flow, one door opens the other door shuts and so the blood moves through your body without the valves blood starts pooling and has poor movement......these valves are like custom made, a little bit wider vein or some other damage breaks the valves like this picture( https://www.google.nl/search?biw=1280&bih=800&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=cRWYW4q8LM6xkwWz656QDg&ins=true&q=vein+valves&oq=vein+valves&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3..0i19l4j0i7i30i19.6025.8192..8561...0.0..0.160.881.7j3......0....1.........0j30i10j0i13j0i7i30.GmOQoEFVTXI#imgrc=KHVLDAxsuAXWEM: )

And you get what I have, more suspitable to disaese and inflammotion, bc of blood pooling instead of streaming through veins. Quickly tired, reduced endurance, nausea, bc it impacts the veins in the neck area as well, stomach and other problems in the belly area, different skin color then  before noogling, easy weightloss, and cold breasts. All complaints the noogleberry gave me. Not to say about the ugly nipples noogleberry gave me. Oh I also got acne straight after I noogled. With good diet its managable now, but ill have to take better care because this really damaged my body permanently. I cried years after making the mistake to Noogle.

Thats why everytime somebody opens up with problems from the Noogleberry, I speak out. Maybe if many girls would have the same experience we can do something. Because there is one person getting rich whilst making others diseased, and this person knows, yet she continues to sell these pumps. Sad for so many young girls thinking the Noogleberry is a harmless device.

Blood pooling.  Yes, that may be what's happening.  But there has to be an answer of what is causing it?  You never got to the root cause?  Does broken blood vessels seem like something it could be?

Its the valves that dont shut anymore... its causing blood to no longer travel up like as a stairs from door to door. The doors just stsy open, the heart and body have to work harder. A automatic response is beeing set on to make you puke but you never actually puke is that how it is for you as well?

I have much more to say but I am kinda blacking out atm....it brings up the trouble I try to leave behind(unfixed)  for so long. I dont know how to heal, have tried a lot....

Edit: The complaints you describe, if I see from my point of view from my misery,  is that when you put so much pressure on dense breast tissue you no longer talk about superficial vessels but about real big capillaries, also the one thats going through your neck, i am nllonger sure but wasnt the name of that vein angina pectora ??? This particular vein idk the name of,causes to seton a automatic response to make you puke.....its just a response.....because this vein is damaged I guess....
Your nausea is double, its a automatic response PLUS you have delayed stomach emptying....because your systemis having a hard time to get the blood around.
This makes you sluggish nauseated and suspitable for inflammationary diseases....
Your delayed stomach emptying makes you nauseated while you eat(i am all talking from my own  experience here) you probably cant eat as much as before because you feel full or nausea quickly.....

Hey I just looked at your threads and it looks like you smoke daily??  Is that still true?  I was thinking that anything that constricts the blood vessels, such as caffeine and smoking, causes way more problems.  I don't smoke cigarettes but occasionally weed and noticed that throws me over.

I dont smoke daily. Also at the time this al started I was and still am to young for all of these trouble. I live very healthy and move a lot. But still the weird feeling doesnt leave my "veins" I cant really describe the feeling.
I always was way more thick and muscular then now, I was a powerful young woman coming from a healthy family, who never have diseases or trouble. It all started straight after this.....at the time I was malnourished and smoked and lived more unhealthy then I am today. This accident kinda turned me into a food guru.
For me itis like living with lets say diabetes, as long as I eat all the healthy stuff im doing good./ beeing the best me I can possibly get..
But if I eat food from thee macdonalds It trows me of big time!!

Edit: I started herbs in 2014 never touched them jn 2011, i just tried this pump, 3 days in a row, and there it was me beeing extremely sleepy, pains in my legs, and I imeediatly knew the Noogle device caused it..

Ok, well then I guess I will fight to get help for both of us since I can use the trauma card from my other injuries.  Do you have a swollen neck or swollen lymph nodes though?  And how often do you smoke?  Smoking at all, even 2% is super dangerous with this issue I have learned.

[Jenniferlove]

I mean, I can't prove a damn thing but I feel like my blood vessels are in a tightened ball or something like that.  That the pumping damaged or bunched together all veins, nerves, or vessels into a tight ball, and now things cannot flow correctly anymore.  I notice that if I eat raw garlic with raw honey before going to sleep I wake up feeling better than usual.  And when I sleep in our sunroom (no walls, only screen windows with pure fresh air) I wake up feeling better.

Basically I have become highly sensitive to any unhealthy air, so pollution or chemicals I cannot tolerate.  Being as it hasn't rained forever now, the pollution levels are high.  My body cannot tolerate anything anymore.  I feel the only way to cure this is through surgical intervention.  But I first need a positive diagnosis before anything can be done.  I am waiting as patient as possible for the cat scan and ENT referrals to go through.  Some days I feel like I am literally going to die.  It's so scary.

[hannah]

Blood pooling.  Yes, that may be what's happening.  But there has to be an answer of what is causing it?  You never got to the root cause?  Does broken blood vessels seem like something it could be?

Its the valves that dont shut anymore... its causing blood to no longer travel up like as a stairs from door to door. The doors just stsy open, the heart and body have to work harder. A automatic response is beeing set on to make you puke but you never actually puke is that how it is for you as well?

I have much more to say but I am kinda blacking out atm....it brings up the trouble I try to leave behind(unfixed)  for so long. I dont know how to heal, have tried a lot....

Edit: The complaints you describe, if I see from my point of view from my misery,  is that when you put so much pressure on dense breast tissue you no longer talk about superficial vessels but about real big capillaries, also the one thats going through your neck, i am nllonger sure but wasnt the name of that vein angina pectora ??? This particular vein idk the name of,causes to seton a automatic response to make you puke.....its just a response.....because this vein is damaged I guess....
Your nausea is double, its a automatic response PLUS you have delayed stomach emptying....because your systemis having a hard time to get the blood around.
This makes you sluggish nauseated and suspitable for inflammationary diseases....
Your delayed stomach emptying makes you nauseated while you eat(i am all talking from my own  experience here) you probably cant eat as much as before because you feel full or nausea quickly.....

Hey I just looked at your threads and it looks like you smoke daily??  Is that still true?  I was thinking that anything that constricts the blood vessels, such as caffeine and smoking, causes way more problems.  I don't smoke cigarettes but occasionally weed and noticed that throws me over.

I dont smoke daily. Also at the time this al started I was and still am to young for all of these trouble. I live very healthy and move a lot. But still the weird feeling doesnt leave my "veins" I cant really describe the feeling.
I always was way more thick and muscular then now, I was a powerful young woman coming from a healthy family, who never have diseases or trouble. It all started straight after this.....at the time I was malnourished and smoked and lived more unhealthy then I am today. This accident kinda turned me into a food guru.
For me itis like living with lets say diabetes, as long as I eat all the healthy stuff im doing good./ beeing the best me I can possibly get..
But if I eat food from thee macdonalds It trows me of big time!!

Edit: I started herbs in 2014 never touched them jn 2011, i just tried this pump, 3 days in a row, and there it was me beeing extremely sleepy, pains in my legs, and I imeediatly knew the Noogle device caused it..

Ok, well then I guess I will fight to get help for both of us since I can use the trauma card from my other injuries.  Do you have a swollen neck or swollen lymph nodes though?  And how often do you smoke?  Smoking at all, even 2% is super dangerous with this issue I have learned.

I want to stay in touch with you, I did an mri scan at first and another one and we call it CT scan maybe its the same as cat scan. But all comes out as you are perfectly healthy. I cried then i got prescribed anti depressants, the doctor said why are you crying for a positive outcome? I couldnt tell anybody in my circle I did the pumping, too much shame. So I dont have the money anymore and people think I dont believe the docs, and the docs think I am depressed, they give me pills and then they say here this will help witn the pain. But it was antidepressiva!
I have these hard knots/balls next to my vagina where my legs start.. I dont know really what lymph nodes are but my boyfriend thought these are glands? I have hard very hard strands, its like stripes? Or tubes from my collar bone to my breasts, they only get visible whdn i grab them and massage them awhile, they fade quickly, but they are always there. I also noticed vein widening/hardening. And some pains i describe as glass for myself, like theres glass between my muscles or veins. It sounds stupid I know. So I dont have the courage to go to a doctor.
But about the air polution, I experience the exact same thing, when I get into a place wheres many many cars whole day I cant stand it, I get pains through my body and get nausea. 
I almostly start to cry because I feel the same about dying...i go through this often and my whole family goes with me. I felt guitly a LOT.
I do feel like they are sending you through ENT that you are in the wrong place, I alwaysfigured that the damaged part of the vein should be found and removed/replaced, they do such things. And I think we should see a cardiologist for that?

[EllaC]

Have you girls looked into cayenne pepper to boost circulation and clear stuff out?

[Jenniferlove]

Have you girls looked into cayenne pepper to boost circulation and clear stuff out?

I have done a lot to help with circulation. I believe this is trauma and no magical herb will help.  I've even had accupuncture (which usually helps my issue whatever it may be that brought me in) and a Vietnamese physical therapist who uses ancient practices.  None of it helped the numbness I was feeling.  Didn't touch on it at all.  That is how i know this is trauma related and most likely surgery would be needed.  

But now I am terrified that the CT scan will find nothing and I am back to no one wanting to help!  This is the 6th doctor I have seen in the past year about this and it's only getting worse.  Hannah, are you in the states or where do you live?  I ended up going on Medi-cal so thank god I am getting this all for free now. I was going broke from blood tests that said I am perfectly healthy.  We know there is something terribly wrong with us.  Nothing worse than someone trying to imply it's all in your head!

[Jenniferlove]

From an article I am reading:

"Vascular trauma means that a blood vessel has sustained some kind of injury. Sometimes, these injuries involve a tear or puncture that causes blood loss. Other times they cause damage to the vessel from crushing or twisting.

Vascular trauma can lead to a number of complications, including:

* Loss of blood, sometimes a large amount.

* Formation of a blood clot (thrombosis).

* Bruising and swelling.

* Soreness or pain.

* Scarring.


Scarring or incomplete healing can cause permanent weakness in the artery or vein, which makes it more prone to future injury.

Blood clots can cause a blockage of blood flow. A clot becomes especially dangerous when it breaks off and travels through to another part of the body, like the heart, lungs, or brain.

If you or someone else is experiencing significant blood loss, contact a medical professional right away.

[EllaC]

The term "vascular trauma" refers to injury to a blood vessel—an artery, which carries blood to an extremity or an organ, or a vein, which returns blood to the heart. Vascular Surgeons categorize these injuries by the type of trauma that caused them: blunt or penetrating injury.

• A blunt injury can occur when a blood vessel is crushed or stretched.   
  
  
• A penetrating injury can occur when a blood vessel is punctured, torn or severed.   
  
  
• Either type of vascular trauma can cause the blood vessel to clot (thrombosis) and interrupt blood flow to an organ or extremity, or cause bleeding which can lead to life-threatening hemorrhage.
  
  
  
  
• Girls help me understand Is there a major vessel in the breasts that can lead to this systemic issue you are having? Is there a major artery involved that leads to the heart and noogling affects that’s caused this for you both?Concerned if I need to stop what I’m doing even though only the nipples are involved ? Thanks xx