[imbackagain]

Danica thank you for the kind words! Keep at it yourself so we can help others as well.

My biggest problem is self defeating before I've given a program time to work. eesh.. hopefully I can keep my nose to this BO for three months

Don't worry -- BO does work .I've been using it for exactly 12 months now, so if you need any long term advice then I'm happy to help. I get frustrated, but I know my igf-1 is very low hence my slow results. 
Based on what SurferJoe said today, just make sure your mk-677 is the real thing and not steroids masking as mk-677. He says a safer, albeit weaker, option is DHEA. I just ordered some and will let you know if it helps :

Stay strong. It will pay off. Xx

I just read about your eyes! I'm so sorry that happened to you!

Awesome, yes keep me posted. I originally did what surferjoe said and looked through bodybuilding forums on reddit for legit sources. The main source got shut down not too long ago but the few I've found that seem to be legit are https://www.narrowslabs.com/ (where i bought mine) https://purerawz.co/ and https://sarms4you.com/products/ref/10/

If you search the name of those sites and the word reddit you can find people who have ordered from there usually.

So far nothing crazy has happened and I've been taking it for about two weeks, so I hope that means its safe. I generally feel a weird tension in my neck, jaw, chest, and arm area but I don't know if thats due to the BO, the pumping, being sedentary, my cervical straightening spasm, or my copper IUD (copper toxicity is scary but idk if there is a legit scientific backing for it). Or maybe im just getting old haha!

I also take cinnamon like MMS did for a bit but I probably won't purchase again since I'm taking the mk677.

Good luck and keep me posted! <3

[imbackagain]

Did a little more research this weekend. I'm 15 days into my first cycle now. I'm getting some swelling but nothing crazy and it could be due to the pumping alone. I just have to go look at my old photos to remember that I have over double what I started with and growing from nothing just takes longer so I need to be patient. Anyways here are the adjustments I might be making. Nothing crazy just adding some stuff for my off week and trying to mimic the natural hormonal cycle rather than blast my body with nothing but BO and estrogen and then drop off extremely during my off week. I thought about even tapering the BO dosage to match the camel humps of estrogen throughout the month. Might do that next cycle. Idk if this is dumb but i feel like it's smarter for overall health? I don't want to defeat the potential success of this program by adding in the progesterone helping vitex and dong quai since MMS had such good success... hmm... I really should get a hormone panel done but I'm too stubborn to stop my program since my overall health is ok.

AM
Kelp
MSM
Vit C
Hyaluronic Acid
NAC
HMB
Ginkgo biloba & red panax ginseng (only days 7-21 bc ginseng can be estrogenic)
Premium Anti-Aging Marine Collagen Powder (not everyday)

PM
GABA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18091016/)
10-20G Mk 677
HMB
MSM
Kelp
Cinnamon

Topical
BO on nipples at night
EPO/Borage/Fish/Flax/NatureDay/Zhu mi on breast

Pump
1hr daily/every other day goal med cup Bosom Beauty with 7:2 massage and pushups/other
(just purchased Large airlock noogle and hoping that will simplify things and capture more of my upper breast)

Cycling
Days 7-21 BO start adding 1 pill a day for 6 total (1500mg) 17th drop down by 1 pill
Days 21-28 vitex/dong quai

Off week
Damiana
Milk thistle
Maca
Dandelion


Other : Red Raspberry tea, Spearmint tea, Mothers Milk Tea (only during 7-21 due to estrogenic ingredients : fennel, anise, cilantro, fenugreek, blessed thistle, spearmint, lemongrass, marshmallow, lemon verbena), Borage (only 7-21), Fish, Flax (only 7-21), EPO oils

I also have some leftover natureday cream I'm applying in the mornings after I remove my pasties. It has wild yam and fennel in it. Just going to finish the jar bc I used it before and idt it did much on its own.

[danica]

Did a little more research this weekend. I'm 15 days into my first cycle now. I'm getting some swelling but nothing crazy and it could be due to the pumping alone. I just have to go look at my old photos to remember that I have over double what I started with and growing from nothing just takes longer so I need to be patient. Anyways here are the adjustments I might be making. Nothing crazy just adding some stuff for my off week and trying to mimic the natural hormonal cycle rather than blast my body with nothing but BO and estrogen and then drop off extremely during my off week. I thought about even tapering the BO dosage to match the camel humps of estrogen throughout the month. Might do that next cycle. Idk if this is dumb but i feel like it's smarter for overall health? I don't want to defeat the potential success of this program by adding in the progesterone helping vitex and dong quai since MMS had such good success... hmm... I really should get a hormone panel done but I'm too stubborn to stop my program since my overall health is ok.  

AM
Kelp
MSM
Vit C
Hyaluronic Acid
NAC
HMB
Ginkgo biloba & red panax ginseng (only days 7-21 bc ginseng can be estrogenic)
Premium Anti-Aging Marine Collagen Powder (not everyday)

PM
GABA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18091016/)
10-20G Mk 677
HMB
MSM
Kelp
Cinnamon

Topical
BO on nipples at night
EPO/Borage/Fish/Flax/NatureDay/Zhu mi on breast

Pump
1hr daily/every other day goal med cup Bosom Beauty with 7:2 massage and pushups/other
(just purchased Large airlock noogle and hoping that will simplify things and capture more of my upper breast)

Cycling
Days 7-21 BO start adding 1 pill a day for 6 total (1500mg) 17th drop down by 1 pill
Days 21-28 vitex/dong quai

Off week
Damiana
Milk thistle
Maca
Dandelion


Other : Red Raspberry tea, Spearmint tea, Mothers Milk Tea (only during 7-21 due to estrogenic ingredients : fennel, anise, cilantro, fenugreek, blessed thistle, spearmint, lemongrass, marshmallow, lemon verbena), Borage (only 7-21), Fish, Flax (only 7-21), EPO oils

I also have some leftover natureday cream I'm applying in the mornings after I remove my pasties. It has wild yam and fennel in it. Just going to finish the jar bc I used it before and idt it did much on its own.

Sweetheart, you might like to add ginger root to your tea It has amazing progesterone balancing effects. I buy a ginger root, cut it all up, pour 1 litre of boiling water into a pot and boil the ginger for 5-10 minutes . Then I wait till it cools and then put all the liquid into a glass jar and store in the fridge. Add some to each cup of tea That way you don't have to boil ginger every day, and  a 1litre lasts me 2 weeks

[danica]

Oh and thank you for your amazing advice on mk677 -- shall get it when funds are more conducive Thank you for your kind words. The peanent blind ess caused by the steroids has been a challenge to adjust to . Doctor can't operate to remove the lenses due to other complications. Blindness isolates you from others as you can no longer see their face or find your way. Thankfully technology has voice to text and text to voice options : the positive is that I can't see how ugly I am anymore lol!

Wishing you every good luck. I have found that the swelling you experience now tends to become permanent within two or three cycles. It might be quicker for you. You are succeeding, that is clear -- now we just wait :

I'm so sorry you're experiencing the side effect you mentioned. Have you tried potassium? It might be due to a potassium deficiency. 

Have a beautiful day.

[imbackagain]

Oh and thank you for your amazing advice on mk677 -- shall get it when funds are more conducive Thank you for your kind words. The peanent blind ess caused by the steroids has been a challenge to adjust to . Doctor can't operate to remove the lenses due to other complications. Blindness isolates you from others as you can no longer see their face or find your way. Thankfully technology has voice to text and text to voice options : the positive is that I can't see how ugly I am anymore lol!

Wishing you every good luck. I have found that the swelling you experience now tends to become permanent within two or three cycles. It might be quicker for you. You are succeeding, that is clear -- now we just wait :

I'm so sorry you're experiencing the side effect you mentioned. Have you tried potassium? It might be due to a potassium deficiency. 

Have a beautiful day.

Still that sounds so tough! Medicine can be so scary. My dad took some antibiotics at one point that almost wrecked the cartilage in his entire body... People say pharm meds are so much safer than herbs but its just not the case! He's also had lots of complications with eye problems and I know how hard that can be.

Thank you, you too! <3

[imbackagain]

So I decided against the vitex for this cycle because I don't want to include too many new things since it's my first round on BO. Just want to see how the cycle goes. I did go ahead and get the dong quai because from what I've read its not as strong in terms of progesterone potency. Though the more I read into it I think I may need that extra progesterone boost... since I've been focusing on estrogen so much like a goof. But isn't BO supposed to increase all hormone production? not just estrogen?

[imbackagain]

https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=28945&pid=202098&highlight=dong+quai#pid202098

This tells me Damiana has progesterone and Dong Quai has no hormonal effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16278617

This tells me Dong Quai has weak estrogen effects. 

https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-librar...w-it-works

This tells me Dong Quai is adaptogenic and "does not qualify as a phytoestrogen and does not appear to have any hormone-like actions in the body"

https://www.livestrong.com/article/12322...dominance/

This tells me Damiana has anti-estrogen effects because it binds to progesterone receptors on breast cancer cells. Vitex "lessen excessive estrogen levels by at least three mechanisms"

So ultimately Dong Quai is confusing. Damiana has some potential progesterone effects. Vitex def has progesterone effects. So all three of these I will exclude from my rest week since they all potentially can cause hormone increase. Leaving Milk Thistle and Dandelion as my only off week things besides what I already have. Which is awesome because I found this tea that has both and im excited about! I prefer teas so much to extra pills... having to take the 6 in addition to the rest during the BO period is too much!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078ZZGMJV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

I think I will stick to damiana for the second half of my cycle since it has potential progesterone effects. Dong Quai I am unsure of due to potential interactions with the biloba and ginseng im taking, I may return it. Vitex is still a contender, I may order it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492350

This is interesting. I'm not great at reading studies but I think it says that the progesterone causing herbs helped fight breast cancer spread? I'm not sure. Interesting turmeric increases PR and ER.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11875334

This says dong quai and ginseng increase breast cancer cells?

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO CONFUSING

[bosekk]

https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=28945&pid=202098&highlight=dong+quai#pid202098

This tells me Damiana has progesterone and Dong Quai has no hormonal effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16278617

This tells me Dong Quai has weak estrogen effects. 

https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-librar...w-it-works

This tells me Dong Quai is adaptogenic and "does not qualify as a phytoestrogen and does not appear to have any hormone-like actions in the body"

https://www.livestrong.com/article/12322...dominance/

This tells me Damiana has anti-estrogen effects because it binds to progesterone receptors on breast cancer cells. Vitex "lessen excessive estrogen levels by at least three mechanisms"

So ultimately Dong Quai is confusing. Damiana has some potential progesterone effects. Vitex def has progesterone effects. So all three of these I will exclude from my rest week since they all potentially can cause hormone increase. Leaving Milk Thistle and Dandelion as my only off week things besides what I already have. Which is awesome because I found this tea that has both and im excited about! I prefer teas so much to extra pills... having to take the 6 in addition to the rest during the BO period is too much!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078ZZGMJV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

I think I will stick to damiana for the second half of my cycle since it has potential progesterone effects. Dong Quai I am unsure of due to potential interactions with the biloba and ginseng im taking, I may return it. Vitex is still a contender, I may order it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492350

This is interesting. I'm not great at reading studies but I think it says that the progesterone causing herbs helped fight breast cancer spread? I'm not sure. Interesting turmeric increases PR and ER.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11875334

This says dong quai and ginseng increase breast cancer cells?

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO CONFUSING

Hi, since this is an Asian herb, I searched how Chinese views it. It's one of the common herb for women health, but it's not known for breast enlargement.  They do say it has weak estrogen effect. 
[font=新細明體]Western  scholars seem to agree that it has estrogen effect and they even debate if  Dong Quai and other herbs are cancer related.[/font]
[font=新細明體][font=新細明體](Piersen CE. Phytoestrogen in botanical dietary supplements:implications for cancer. Intergr Cancer Ther. 2003;2(2):120-138[/font][/font]

[imbackagain]

Thanks for your response bosekk!

I’m going to avoid damiana, DQ, and other things for now there’s a lot of confusion I get from trying to perfect my program. I may consider vitex next cycle when I have more money to spend. Surferjoe explained it a bit to me. 

I’m going to stick to what I’ve got going now. I think just simply cycling things and taking the off week with the milk thistle, dandelion, and peppermint tea only might give me the boost I’ve been looking for and help regulate my system by itself without anything extra that might have effects that I am unsure of. I’ve got a real obsession problem so I’m gonna try to stay off the site for a month. I’m getting really good swelling now so I think next month this time I’ll Be able to see how this is working for me for me. BF noticed too so it’s a good sign so far. I really hope I get great results so i can show where I started started from!

[danica]

Thanks for your response bosekk!

I’m going to avoid damiana, DQ, and other things for now there’s a lot of confusion I get from trying to perfect my program. I may consider vitex next cycle when I have more money to spend. Surferjoe explained it a bit to me. 

I’m going to stick to what I’ve got going now. I think just simply cycling things and taking the off week with the milk thistle, dandelion, and peppermint tea only might give me the boost I’ve been looking for and help regulate my system by itself without anything extra that might have effects that I am unsure of. I’ve got a real obsession problem so I’m gonna try to stay off the site for a month. I’m getting really good swelling now so I think next month this time I’ll Be able to see how this is working for me for me. BF noticed too so it’s a good sign so far. I really hope I get great results so i can show where I started started from!

Also, be careful with Vitex try 250mg -- more than that can shrink your bust (as it did mine).  At the moment I'm experimenting with taking NO Vitex to see if growth isn't better