Surf - My stats & routine

***Eve M*** · 23-01-2022, 15:25

Mar 03, 2006#1
My stats:
41 years old, 2 kids, nursed kids, 5'8", 130lbs, works out 5 days a week, non-smoker, drinks approx 1 gallon of decaf iced tea a day (homemade), eats fairly healty diet, measurements prior to starting routine: 29" under breasts, 32" at middle of breasts, complete measurements: 32-26-36 (breast-waist-hips).

My goal measurements: 34-26-36; a gain of 2 inches in the breasts.

My routine as of 3/3/05:
Morning:
Fenugreek (Nature's Way) 1 capsule (610mg) on an empty stomach*
massage routine**

Mid-day:
Fenugreek (Nature's Way) 1 capsule (610mg) on an empty stomach*
massage routine**

Night:
Fenugreek (Nature's Way) 1 capsule (610mg) on an empty stomach*
Saw Palmetto (Paradise Herbs) 1 Vcap (320mg) on an empty stomach*
massage routine**

*empty stomach = 1 hour before eating or 2-3 hours after eating

**massage routine = use heat for 5-10 minutes before massage (no higher than 115 degrees), open 2 capsules of Evening Primrose Oil (Nature's Way; 500mg) into small bowl, mix in 1 capsule of Fennel (Nature's Way; 480mg), mix in 1/2 teaspoon of olive oil, massage for 5-10 minutes and use heat again for 10-15 minutes (no higher than 115 degrees).

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Surf

Mar 03, 2006#2
I got my period on 3/2/05 and started doing my massage routine on 3/2/05. I finally received my Fenugreek and Saw Palmetto on 3/3/05. I stated Fengreek on 3/3/05 and will start Saw Palmetto on 3/5/05. I am stagering the herbs in the begining so that I can isolate the culprit if I have any negative reactions to them.
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MyKids3

Mar 04, 2006#3

Correct me if Im wrong,You started in 2005,right? If so, how much have youve grown or whatever since you started?
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Surf

Mar 05, 2006#4

Opps - start date was 3/3/06 not 3/3/05!
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Surf

Mar 07, 2006#5

In addition to the Fenugreek and Saw Palmetto, I take 1 capsule of Evening Primrose Oil (Nature's Way; 500mg).
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Mar 16, 2006#6

I stopped using the Fennel and replaced it with Fenugreek extract (1:1) from Greenbush (1/8 teaspoon) in my massages.

The Fenugreek extract is much easier for me and I think it soaks into my skin better than the Fennel.
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Mar 16, 2006#7

I measured 32.5" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 1/2".
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Mar 16, 2006#8

I am measuring 33.5" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 1.5".
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Mar 23, 2006#9

I am currently measuring 34.0" across the bust (naked). Total gain of 2.0".

I am revising my measurements goal from: 34-26-36 to: 36-26-26
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Mar 31, 2006#10

In addition to the Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, and EPO, I stared taking Red Clover (Nature's Way) 1 capsule (500mg) on 3/27/06.

I also added GABA (NOW) 1 vcap (750mg) on 3/29/06.

I added Red Clover mainly because I've been reading that many people use it in their routines. I added the GABA as it is recommended for people over 30 or 40 years of age trying to do NBE. I felt it would be beneficial to me due to my age. In addition to the above reasons, I have been experiencing dramatically less tingle since 3/20/06 (than the first 3 weeks on my routine). Since adding these to my routine, I've notice a few tingles (still much less however, than the first 3 weeks of my routine).

***Eve M*** · 23-01-2022, 15:26

I am currently measuring 34 1/4" across the bust (naked). Total gain of 2 1/4".

Weekly Gains:
week 1 gained 1/2"
week 2 gained 1"
week 3 gained 1/2"
week 4 gained 1/4"

total month gained 2 1/4"
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Mar 31, 2006#12

My original goal measurements: 34-26-36

My current goal measurements: 39-26-36

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Mar 31, 2006#13

I have added Cocoa Butter (NOW; 100% pure) and Vitamin E to my nightly massage. I have to heat up the cocoa butter, as it is in a solid form in a tub. After my massage (360 rotations) with Fenugreek and EPO, I break open 1 capsule of vitamine E and rub on breasts. Then I rub on some of the liquid cocoa butter and apply heat.

I made this change due to the recent thread about cocoa butter and vitamin E being so helpful with NBE.
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Apr 07, 2006#14

Hi Surf
From reading your stats and seeing your pictures I think you are physically very similar to me so I'll be interested to see how things go for you and how you alter your routine. I'm taking similar things to you, but I am definitely going to add another fenugreek to my routine as I'm only taking it twice a day at the moment.
Good luck!
Lizzie
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Apr 10, 2006#15

I am taking GABA, not PABA.

***Eve M*** · 23-01-2022, 15:26

On 4/4, I added 1 additional capsule of Red Clover to my routine. Now, I take 1 capsule in the morning and 1 at night (for a total of 1,000mg). I also have started taking 1 additional EPO. Now, I take 1 capsule in the morning and 1 at night (for a total of 1,000mg).

REVISED COMPLETE ROUTINE:

morning - Fenugreek (610 mg), EPO (500 mg) and Red Clover (500 mg)

afternoon - Fenugreek (610 mg)

night - Fenugreek (610 mg), EPO (500 mg) and Red Clover (500 mg), Saw Palmetto extract (320 mg), GABA (750 mg)

I also massage 2-3 times a day (with Fennel extract and 1 capsule of EPO). I add cocoa butter, shea butter, and vitamine E to my night massage.

In addition to the above routine, I take Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement.
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May 16, 2006#17

I measured 34 3/4" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 2 3/4" in 10 weeks.

My current routine:

am
2 Fenugreek (610mg x 2 = 1220mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Saw Palmetto extract (160mg)

pm
2 Fenugreek (6610mg x 2 = 1220mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Saw Palmetto extract (160mg)

I also take a Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement (for my bad knees).

I stopped taking Red Clover on 4/11/06 due to spotting. The spotting stopped immediately! I also stopped taking GABA (as an experiment).

I try to do two massages (chi) every day (am and pm). I use fenugreek of fennel extract and 1 EPO capsule broken open for my massage (360 rotations and additional 50 in circular motions just on the top of each breast, above the nipple). For the pm massage, I then lather on Bodycology body butter (coconut lime). It contains 20% shea butter, sunflower seed oil, cocoa seed butter, vitamin A and vitamin E. I add fenugreek or fennel extract and vitamin E to the body butter. I have just recently started using a small had battery powered massager for extra stimuation in the pm.

After each massage, I use heat for approximately 15 minutes.

I am very happy with my progress so far. I have experienced FAR LESS tingles/pains/heaviness than during my first month on NBE. However, I still feel that I am growing (but at a much slower pace than before). I took a break on the 1st and 15th day of my cycle this past month. I do not plan to take any breaks longer than 1 day. I plan to continue with NBE for 9 months or longer.
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roxyrose

May 24, 2006#18

HEY!
wow u look amazingggggggg!
all that in just 10 weeks though sounds like you been working hard at it.
what does it mean by the term
nature's way fenugreek?
was that the main ingredient or pill?
rox
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***Eve M*** · 23-01-2022, 15:28

Hi! your results are awesome! were you on birth control pills while you were /are taking Saw Palmetto?
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Surf.
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Jul 04, 2006#20

7/4/06 measurement update (week 17)

I measured 35" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 3" in 17 weeks (4 months).

My current routine:

am
2 Fenugreek (610mg x 2 = 1220mg)
2 EPO (500mg x 2 = 1000mg)
1 Saw Palmetto extract (160mg)

pm
2 Fenugreek (6610mg x 2 = 1220mg)
2 EPO (500mg x 2 = 1000mg)
1 Saw Palmetto extract (160mg)

I also take a Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement (for my bad knees).

My routine is about the same as outlined in my 5/12/06 update, except that I increased my intake of EPO.

I have experienced FAR LESS tingles/pains/heaviness than during my first month on NBE. However, I still feel that I am growing (but at a much slower pace than before). Since I've only gained 1/4" in the last 7 weeks, I'm wondering if I should now ramp up on herbs or add a new herb to my routine. I'll be looking into this in the coming weeks.

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8/16/06 measurement update (week 24) & routine update

I measured 35.5" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 3.5" in 24 weeks (5 1/2 months).

My increase in growth had dramatically slowed as compared with early on in my routine. Therefore, I took a 1 week break from all herbs at the end of my fifth month (from 8/5/06 - 8/12/06). During my break, I continue with massages and I took GABA (750mg total) right before bed each night. My cycle started on 8/12/06 and I started the following routine:

am
1 Fennel (480mg)
1 Saw Palmetto (575mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)

I mix 1 pkg unflavored gelatine in juice and drink it

afternoon
1 Fennel (480mg)
1 Saw Palmetto (575mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)

pm
1 Fennel (480mg)
1 Saw Palmetto (575mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
2 GABA (750mg x 2 = 1500mg)

I have been massaging in the am with 2 EPO capsules and 1 pumpkin seed oil capsule broken open. I have been massaging in the pm with 2 EPO capsules, 1 pumpkin seed oil capsule, vitamine E (400 iu) broken open, and a bit of Palmer's Cocoa Butter Formula with Vitamin E Bust Firming Massage Cream.

I also take a Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement (for my bad knees).

While on break, I grew 1/4" to my current 35.5".

I believe I had too many phytoestrogens in my system and it was slowing my growth. I changed from Fenugreek to Fennel and lowered my total mg per day. I also added back into my routine the GABA I had been taking and increased the mg per day. I added Pumpkin Seed Oil several weeks ago. After my break, I added the gelatine to my routin in the am. I am happy with the changes that I've made and have been feeling more pains under the arms and tingles.

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Sep 09, 2006#22

9/8/06 measurement update (week 27) & routine update

I measured 36" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 4" in 27 weeks (6 months).

I feel I'm on the right track again! I've increased my Saw Palmetto intake and feel with that change, and the few other changes I've made have really done the trick for me. I had added GABA back into my routine (took it in the begining, but dropped it early on), decreased my Fennel intake and added gelatine to my routine.

My current routine:

am
1 Fennel (480mg)
3 Saw Palmetto (575mg x 3 = 1725mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
4 gelatin caps (10 grains x 4 = 80 grains)

pm
1 Fennel (480mg)
3 Saw Palmetto (575mg x 3 = 1725mg)
1 EPO (500mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
4 gelatin caps (10 grains x 4 = 80 grains)
2 GABA (750mg x 2 = 1500mg)

I have been massaging in the am with Palmer's Cocoa Butter Formula with Vitamin E Bust Firming Massage Cream. I have been massaging in the pm with 2 EPO capsules and 1 pumpkin seed oil capsule broken open and vitamine E (400 iu). After my massage I rub 100% pure cocoa butter (that I have melted down) all over my chest area including under my arms. I then use heat for about 15 minutes. I use a bag that has corn in it that I pop in the microwave to heat. It is an almost moist kind of heat, but dry to the touch.

I also take a Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement (for my bad knees).

JUST A REMINDER: Please do NOT post to my routine pages. Please use the main forum to post any questions and/or comments!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much!

***Eve M*** · 23-01-2022, 15:32

The only change I've made to the above routine is a substitution of herbs. I've substituted Fenugreek (610mg) for the Fennel. I simply have more Fenugreek and decided to use it in place of the Fennel. No other changes to my current routine. I'll update my measurements in a few weeks.
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Dec 26, 2006#24

12/26/06 measurement update (week 42; 10 month) & routine update

I measured 37" across the bust (naked). Total growth is 5" in 42 weeks (10 months). I've made a few changes to my routine. I've added Ginko Biloba to aid in circulation. I feel this has helped me! My hands are not as cold as often. I also changed from Saw Palmetto to Nettle Root. I did this maily because so many women were talking about weight gain with Saw Palmetto. I have not expereinced any weight gain, but thought it was a good idea anyways. I also added Safflower seed oil (which is Conjugated Linoleic Acid or CLA) to my massage routine.

I'm still growing, but at a much slower rate than when I first started. I feel like my shape keeps changing as I grow. Expecailly when I compare my 6 month picture to my 10 month picture. I seem less full at 10 months, but I measure more. I'm assuming this is just a natural process that my is going through when it grows (grow, get fuller, grow, get fuller...).

I've also been VERY active at the gym in the past 3 months. From Sep - Dec, I was working out with a personal tranner. During that timeframe, I lost 2 points of body fat and over 3 pounds. I was careful not to do too much heavy weight lifting in the chest area, but I did do some.

My current routine:

am
1 Fenugreek (610mg)
1 Nettle Root extract (300mg)
2 EPO (500mg x 2 = 1000mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
4 gelatin caps (10 grains x 4 = 80 grains)
1 Ginko Biloba (60mg)

pm
1 Fenugreek (610mg)
1 Nettle Root extract (300mg)
2 EPO (500mg x 2 = 1000mg)
1 Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
4 gelatin caps (10 grains x 4 = 80 grains)
1 Ginko Biloba (60mg)
1 GABA (60mg)

I have been massaging in the am with Palmer's Cocoa Butter Formula with Vitamin E Bust Firming Massage Cream. I have been massaging in the pm with 2 EPO capsules, 1 pumpkin seed oil capsule broken open, 1 safflower seed oil capsule broken open and vitamine E (400 iu). After my massage I rub 100% pure cocoa butter (that I have melted down) all over my chest area including under my arms. Sometimes I use 100% pure shea butter instead of the cocoa butter (I don't have to melt it down, so it's easier than the cocoa butter).
I then use heat for about 15 minutes. I use a bag that has corn in it that I pop in the microwave to heat. It is an almost moist kind of heat, but dry to the touch. The heat is low (approx 110 degrees).

I also take a Centrum Advanced Formula Multivitamin, Selenium, calcium chews and a Glucosamine Hydochloride supplement (for my bad knees).

JUST A REMINDER: Please do NOT post to my routine pages. Please use the main forum to post any questions and/or comments!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much!

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Mary

Dec 30, 2007#25

Hi Surf, I just started my program today and I'd like to know what brand of heating pad you use, where did you buy it and how much was it? I'd appreciate your response. I'll use some of your routines b/s you got a good result in short time. Also, if it's ok, could you tell me where you buy your herbs and apprx for how much?
Thanks.
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Sarah

Jan 02, 2008#26

Hello Surf,

Your progress is truly amazing. I would like to know more about it. It sounds like that when you started, you were really small. I wonder if your family are all small-chested. I somehow believe that genes have a lot to do with it. I am from a small-chested family, at least my mother is that way. My aunts and cousins on my mothers' side are all more or less small, barely A cup. Not sure about my father's side. My notion might be wrong, but I think one is probably more related to the mother's side in the breast department. I have been on herbs and massaging for about 2 to 3 months, but have not seen any progress. I have not been using the heating pad however. I will try that next. Have you paid anything to boobie friendly food, avoiding cold stuff, etc.? In your case, it almost sounds like your body had been waiting for the few herbs you put in and it just took off when it got them, coupled with the massaging. Before you started growing, did you have the so-called luteal swelling during your cycle? I have never experienced that. Based on the online hormone testing, I am estrogen dominant. Do you know what you are?

Sorry about all the questions.

Thanks in advance.

Sarah
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Mar 07, 2008#27

Surf-
Are you estrogen dominant? I'm assuming not. But are you?

And how come you have to take the pills on an empty stomach? I know it gets through your blood quicker. but either way it will get through your blood eventually. right?
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Mar 07, 2008#28

Surf-
Are you estrogen dominant? I'm assuming not. But are you?

And how come you have to take the pills on an empty stomach? I know it gets through your blood quicker. but either way it will get through your blood eventually. right?
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Louise1982

The empty stomach thing's debateable, some people say always empty stomach butI know Eve took hers with food and the WU packaging says to take with food.
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