dandelion HIT AND MISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

***Eve M*** · 24-01-2022, 23:25

Sep 27, 2006#1
Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

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basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

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GoldSnowflake
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Unread postSep 27, 2006#2
I remeber one of SugarQ's comments in another post, not to take Epo near first of program because it is a PMS herb and stops breasts from swelling and gettin sore before period. Also you should be taking more fenugreek, at least 1500mgs, per day, I am going by your last program. 600 something of fenugreek a day isn't really enough. Your SP is very high to start, really should be about 500mgs to start and then ramp up over the months.
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dandelion1
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Unread postSep 30, 2006#3

Thanks for the tip!
revised program:

this is a per day amnt

1800 mg fenugreek
480 mg fennel
480 mg kelp
500 mg saw palmetto
800 mg oat
400 u.i vitamin e

massage 1x per day cocoa butter and w/
2 drops fenugreek
2 drops chasteberry tree oil

-of course i take a miltivitamin, but i have stopped the l-tyrosine
.....
i have order wild yam cream, royal jelly (if it can turn a worker bee into a queen bee - it can surely give me boobies!) , and borage oil....so i will be adding these to my program asap.

.............i'll keep everyone posted!!!! if ever i get some progress, i will put my pics up. for now i've got nothing to show....... Sad

********if anyone has any comments on this program please let me know!!!!! even if it's a tiny alteration, i appreciate all the help I can get!!!
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Unread postOct 03, 2006#4

Hi,(People will b sick of me going on about massage)(c my PP)
I am on WU doing well, but since i added the massage i seem to be going on in leaps and bouds.
Try & massage as often and as long as you can-some people, i think tigerlilly have had growth just massaging!

Just wondered what chasteberry tree oil does & if it would b worth adding to my routine.

Happy Growing & Good Luck
GingerD
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Unread postOct 04, 2006#5

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chasteberry is already found in many nbe mixes .

i found a site that explains why raising estrogen levels may not help increase breast size
http://www.womenandinfants.org/body.cfm ... clinically

and that raising progesterone levels may do so
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Other constituents of breast enhancement products are used because of their supposed effect on the hormone progesterone. This approach does have a certain logic to it. When taken as a pill, progesterone does increase breast size, and fairly safely. However, it does so by stimulating the growth and development of milk-producing cells, an effect that most non-nursing women would wish to avoid.

The herb chasteberry, added to breast enhancement products, might increase progesterone levels in some women. 3 However, there is no evidence that it increases breast size.

Another herb widely added to breast enhancement products as a source of progesterone, Mexican yam, does not in fact raise levels of progesterone at all. The widespread belief that it does so is based on a misconception.

For more information, see the full chasteberry and Mexican yam articles.
>.

therefore it is similar to wild yam, but potentially more effective

you might want to read this short article as well;http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060714.html

these sights are interesting as they don't promote any products.

and this is a description of chasteberry:
Chasteberry (Vitex agnus-castus). Talented fourth-generation California herbalist Christopher Hobbs, a botanist whom I respect, suggests using Vitex shortly after delivery to promote milk flow. This recommendation goes a bit beyond the usual uses of chasteberry for breast tenderness, PMS and menstrual complaints, but I have no problem suggesting this revered women's herb to enhance lactation. It's probably worth a try. (And it's a handsome ornamental flowering tree, as lovely as lilac.)
"vitex" is another word for chasteberry.

......................in my program i am trying to raise progesterone as well as estrogen, therefore the reason why i have fennel to rid of "bad" estrogen toxins. I'm honestly not sure if it be best to go one way or the other- so i'm doing both lol!

hope this is informative!
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Unread postOct 04, 2006#6

thanks for the tip on massage - i will massage 2x a day. and i have added 2 drops of hops
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Unread postOct 10, 2006#7

i forgot to post my stats
here they are:

currently (in inches)

bust: 32.5
waist: 27
hips: 36

my goal is to have a 36 inch bust (same as hips)

my height: 5 ft 5 1/2inchest (almost 5ft6
my weight: 125lbs

so i'm a normal build - not overly skinny but on the slim side; so i hope nbe works.
i have before pics, but as i mentionned i will only post if theres any growth.
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Unread postOct 10, 2006#8

my sawpalmetto intake is 1000mg every second day
and i will start l-tyrosine 1000 mg every third day

..the reason for this is i find the pills to be high in mg.

i massage using tigerlily's technique

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Unread postOct 18, 2006#9

...received herbs in the mail so i'm tweaking my program....
all my programs from here on end will be a modification of my oct.30th posting
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stats

bust 32.5 = no growth/ no fullness / not even tingles
rib cage 30
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total daily values:
1800 mg fenugreek
480 mg fennel
480 mg kelp
500 mg stinging nettle (to replace saw palmetto)
800 mg oat
400 u.i vitamin e
500 mg barley
1000 mg borage oil (to replace EPO)
300 mg royal jelly (got this from michelle choi's program)
200 mg ginseng

.....these herbs are taken at no specific time, i just make sure to take them all, and they are all in capsul form. I also have a royal jelly and ginseng mix in liquid form but its the same amnt in mg so i'm assuming whether i take it in liquid or capsul makes no difference if i ingest it.

massages:
2 drops fenugreek + 2 drops hops + 2 drops chasteberry in moisturizer
then...
cocoa butter and vitamin e mix massage
then...
wild yam cream massage

these massages are separate simply for the reason being my skin seems to absorb them better one at a time. The massages are done 1x day, sometimes 2x.

i am contemplating taking 20mg of whey protein shakes...

any comments on my program is extremely appreciated, post in my programs page all you want!!!!!

***Eve M*** · 24-01-2022, 23:27

oh i forgot!
i also take:

500 mg l-tyrosine
50 mg zinc

and a fennel tea once a day

So i have just bought a brava system from the u.k on ebay ( a NEW system however). but since it's comming from afar i will still continue my program - and i will continue my program throughout my brava expenditure.

I am modifying my program only in terms of amnt:
increase of fenugreek

2440 mg total per day instead of 1800mg.

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Unread postOct 29, 2006#13

have not received brava yet. I am going on vacation in 2 months and i would like something quick, even if its not permanent, so i can look good in a bikini. of course permanence is important to me, but i want to feel comfortable on the beach.
...so i'm adding mirifem pm cream in my massages. I heard that as long as i dont mix other herbs INTERNALLY there should be no problem. So i'm not taking any pm caps, only the cream applied to breast 2x a day. I am still massaging with cocoa butter and wildyam cream as well (will drops of fenugreek / hops / chasteberry trea).
...im starting to wonder if i have to many herbs in my program....

i massage today with 1 cap vit e oil and 1 cap borage oil; i dont know how all the girls do it, its so messy! and doesnt absorb well......... this was a one time experiment.

...............no new news to report- i'm starting to wonder if using pm cream is hindering my program, but i guess it's too soon to tell. i will continue using pm until i run out ( probably in a month)

I have made the switch of bcp from diane 35 to yasmin. I will start the pack 17/10/2006

***Eve M*** · 24-01-2022, 23:29

taking my first break of PM after 15 days; i've had no tingles/pains during these past 15 days and if i read my previous posts, on the same day that i started pm (oct 29) i reported sore nips. I've had none of that since starting PM, so i'm stopping. I'm keeping the bottles and will maybe try again many months from now.
..............
stats update:
-underbust: 30.5
-overbust: 32 3/4 .......... 1/4 growth - but i don't believe it I dont see
any difference and my reference bra still fits the same, i had to measure myself over and over again to verify, and i don't know if i had just made the mistake the first tiem (but it does give me hope)
-weight:123lbs (after dinner)

i will give an official one month stats update on nov. 18th

again, any comments whatsoever pertaining to my program is always appreciated!!!
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Unread postNov 14, 2006#20

i've decided to offical take pics of myself as it is likely a better reference than a meauring tape. i will posts as soon as i figure out how!!

drank last fennel tea as i ran out. reduced wildyam cream to 1teaspoon 2xday (as suggested)

started Yasmin BirthControl & New Multi Vitamin

measuring 32.5 again... Sad

, or 83 cm over a 73cm ribcage... Sad

***Eve M*** · 24-01-2022, 23:29

i'm writing this post simply so i know how long my batter lasted me....

2 caps borage oil = 2000 mg
2 caps vitamin e = 800mg
2 droppers vitex = 1000 mg
2 droppers fennel= ???? not listed
15g wild yam 14% (i think - i didnt measure
the bottle was then filled with a cocoa butter cream (not pure - vaseline brand)

.........by knowing hwo long the bottle lasts me I will know if i added enough extracts (i have a feeling i may not have enough, as i read in previous posts that someone was taking 800mg vitex 2x a day)
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Unread postNov 22, 2006#25

i'm just wondering why i lost 1/4 inch....four days after stoppign mirifem ->probably not related but then what a coincidence..............
maybe i measured wrong in the first place? I Read posts about girls growing in their first week, i am getting discouraged
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Unread postNov 27, 2006#26

thinking about adding ginkdo and dim from www.vitacost.com or www.iherb.com..............
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Unread postDec 03, 2006#27

3rd day of wearing kangzhu cups. i will try to do the recommended 15 min treatments 3x/day , AND wear the cups for a continuous 20min every day. will post weekly to say how it's going.
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Unread postDec 08, 2006#28

will no longer use pre-made boobie batter as described above. will make it on a day by day basis so i can be aware of the exact amnt of herbs that i use. New:
1 cap borage oil
1 cap vitamin e
1 ml vitex (equal to 500mg)
15 drops (not droppers) fennel
........mix with cocoa butter cream (not pure)

.......after, or before, i use 1/2 teaspoon wild yam cream. the bottle says the rub into breasts/tummy/arms. So i put a bit everywhere
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Unread postDec 15, 2006#29

i dont wear the kangzhu cups as much as i would like to .... maybe 30-40min per day. However yesterday and today i felt some sort of pressure or pain, very short lived tho. hope its a good sign!!
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Unread postDec 16, 2006#30

Hey Dandelion,
Reading your page trying to see what's going on. I think that your problem might be your impatience. You keep adding, and removing products too frequently. I'm no expert, but I've been on this program for 13 weeks and have noticed a nice difference. Look at my picture page. And the only thing I changed was my addition of fenugreek, but it's making me break out so I think I will decrease that to once daily. Anyway, I think you may be taking way too many herbs and not giving them a chance to work. I think you should start a new routine including twice daily massage with vitE or cocoa butter, and take no more than 5-6 different herbs two to three times daily. And give it at a chance to work. I didn't really notice a difference until month three so you might want to try your routines for about three months realistically. And then change up if that's not working. If you read a lot of the successful routines here, they were pretty consistent with minor changes here and there. Also, you don't need both fenugreek and fennel from what I have been reading on here. Just one or the other because they both provide a source of phytoestrogen.

Good luck, and remember, patience is one of the main factors of NBE success.

Happy boobie journey.

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