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***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:26

Jun 19, 2007#1
Stats
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker

My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.

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THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
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approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.

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Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.

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Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

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6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages

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7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

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Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

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7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek

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Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
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8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase

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9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)

10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)

11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)

12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"

1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"

2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"

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2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup

3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)

4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)

5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)

7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"

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Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D

7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again

8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"

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ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
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Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen

MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies

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Unread postJun 19, 2007#2
forgot to add I started GY's on 5/16

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:27

I will slowly be adding BO until I reach the recommended 3 per day. I have decided to discontinue the above routine wiht the herbs while using BO. I will continue the GY's program along with the BO.

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Unread postJun 27, 2007#4

I have reached the 3 BO per day (1500mg per day) DNE brand
AF should arrive any day now. I will post if I notice any change.
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Unread postJun 28, 2007#5

day one AF, already lost 1/4 inch Sad

I should also note that I have been drinking caffiene again lately and have been slacking off on my massages. AF makes me lazy.
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Unread postJul 01, 2007#6

day 2 AF seems to have disappeared. I started thursday night, now less than 48 hours later it is gone.
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Unread postJul 02, 2007#7

Just wanted to add I have not lost any more inches, just the initial 1/4". Maybe because AF was so short? Also I think the bo is kicking in already. Not gained any inches but breasts "feel" bigger/fuller/heavier/tender. Could be just because AF left already or maybe from the bo. I plan to do my gy's massages for longer to help ease some of the soreness like what I had initially done. Also note I try to go without a bra whenever possible while at home and no visitors. Don't know if it helps at all but thought I'd make note of it.

Just measured and I have already gained back that 1/4"
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Unread postAug 08, 2007#8

Day 3 and already regained my loss plus some!!! hippee Big Grin

AF hasn't even left yet, this is such a good sign. I think I finally found the right herb combo

@ nipples = 37 (fully regained plus 1/4" gain)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.25 (1/4" gain! right where I need to fill out!))
3 inches above nipple = 36 (fully regained)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)

I AM SO EXCITED!!!

note to self about the tramendous feelings of swelling, heaviness, and tingles/aches shortly after each dose I have been getting the past few days
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Unread postAug 11, 2007#9

I just found I have gained a few pounds with AF so increase possibly came just from that. Boo hoo Sad

I am gonna try and lose it and hope that with the help of herbs it doesn't come back off from there. Also I ran out of licorice root so dropping that for now. And gonna try to find gelatin and possibly royal jelly to add to my program. Also fenugreek is back down to 4 a day. I think I stalled when I went up to 6 I shrank slightly. My body is so darn sensitive to these herbs.
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Unread postAug 15, 2007#10

have added some more herbs. Think I am becoming an herb junkie! Smile

but I am maintaining at 37" even with my short break so am starting back up and will keep the fenugreek at 4/day like before I stalled.

These are total daily:
4 Fenugreek 2000mg
1 wild yam root 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg
2 Black Cohosh 1080mg
9 Papaya Enzyme 135mg
5-HTP 100mg
3 Royal Jelly 1500mg
6 Gelatin 3900mg
and this is in another herbal formula I take:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg
Also note I am doing some brief massaging each pm.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:29

starting gelatine drink mix today, in place of gelatine caps
7g protein
27mg vit C
4mg niacin
7g gelatine (7000mg)

also this month started back on bcp so wont have af for a few months
don't know if that will help or hinder growth
I will take measurements every 1st of the month (since no af to go by)
that was about my cycle day 4 this month. so will go by that

and last but not least I am cutting dosages inhalf the rest of this month and see how goes. I have forgotten several days to take my herbs and then would take just one dose before bed. I noticed a lot of achiness the past two days especially in my left side (the smaller one). So gonna try that for a while. I am so darn sensitive to all this stuff maybe I've been taking too much. Also dropping saw palmetto for the time being due to my suspicion it is what caused my weight gain Tongue

in addition to the gelatine drink mix (above) this is new dosages

2 Fenugreek 1000mg
1 wild yam root 500mg
1 Black Cohosh 540mg
3 Papaya Enzyme
1 5-HTP 100mg
3 Royal Jelly 1500mg

and this is in another herbal formula I take daily:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg
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Unread postAug 25, 2007#12

something seems to be happening. yesterday my right side was also having the same achy pains the left one was having before. and this morning they both "felt" very sore and swollen, although they weren't really swollen to look at, just felt that way.
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Unread postAug 28, 2007#13

both sore all day today, lots of deep aching on both sides, heaviness although no noticable increase. Feel very itchy deep inside too. hard to describe. I am massaging more, trying to do it morning and night. lots more very noticable lobes, very sore. Also note royal jelly only 1 now so 500mg. considering adding the goat's rue everyone is talking about but want to give this a month before adding anything new. Gonna try 2 gelatin drinks per, morning and night, if I can take it. I hate the way they taste, way too sweet, yuck! I seriously doubt that one per day is enough to equal the chicken feet soup. Gonna try two and go from there.
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Unread postAug 30, 2007#14

I have started taking 2 gelatin packets per day. Am working up to 3 now. I have noticed the feel is changing. They feel much firmer. Fewer very hard lobes now. I can still feel them, just not very hard. I will measure and photo on saturday. Though I don't think there will be any growth to report yet.

forgot to add I have also been drinking soymilk. I try to drink 2 glasses per day and I add ovaltine for more nutrition.
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Unread postSep 02, 2007#15

9/2/07: if af were here this month should make it cycle day 5

3 inches above nipple = 36 (1/2" increase since last month)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36 (1/4" increase since last month)
at nipples = 37 (1/2" increase since last month)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)

Overall slightly more than I had with gy. Doesn't "look" like any increase to me and I can't see difference in pics from when I was doing gy. maybe another month will make it more visible.

3 Gelatin drink mixes daily 21000mg
2 Fenugreek 1000mg
1 Black Cohosh 540mg
6 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg

and this is in another herbal formula I take daily:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:30

added heating pad after evening massage. vowing to be more deligent with massage. I am noticing more large lobes so hopefully that is a good sign. I am also trying to add to my protein intake by eating more soy, fish, nuts. also drinking a glass of oj everyday even though is not a good boobie food. I need the vit C and fortified calcium that is in it.
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Unread postSep 17, 2007#17

also adding a mood enhancing blend. So routine now consists of:

2 Gelatin drink mixes daily 14grams
2 Fenugreek 1000mg total
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Collagen 1480mg)
eating about 1 tsp whole fennel seeds (I just swallow them whole with water, cannot stand the strong taste when I chew them Tongue

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3 tablets herbal blend for hernia:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

2 capsules Stress/Mood blend (I may up this to 3-4 daily):
st. john's wort 300mg total
kava kava 250mg
melatonin 1mg
skull cap herb 100mg
red clover blossoms 100mg
passion flower herb 100mg
valerian root 80mg
gambir (black catechu) leaf 60mg
hops flowers 50mg
blessed thistle herb 50mg
cayenne 30mg

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Unread postSep 22, 2007#18

tape measure says almost 3/4" increase, doesn't look like it to me though. cannot find the tape I usually use. when I do will have to re-measure.
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Unread postSep 26, 2007#19

I am noticing my lips are really getting plump. Kinda weird. must be the collagen. I guess that should mean a difference in bust. I haven't noticed increase there yet but I never seem to "see" it much even when there is a change, mostly have to rely on my tape measure. But I can't seem to find the one I normally use. Anyway wanted to note my skin looks GREAT and my lips are surprisingly very full. I am using the hydrolyzed collagen suppliment which other members have said doesn't work but obviously it is doing something for me. I was not even expecting an effect this fast. I will continue to use it. When I run out of my two bottles I might try the marine collagen if I can find it and see if it is any better.
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Unread postSep 26, 2007#20

1-2 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7-14 grams
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl

3 tablets herbal blend:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

2 capsules Stress/Mood blend (I may up this to 3-4 daily):
st. john's wort 300mg total
kava kava 250mg
melatonin 1mg
skull cap herb 100mg
red clover blossoms 100mg
passion flower herb 100mg
valerian root 80mg
gambir (black catechu) leaf 60mg
hops flowers 50mg
blessed thistle herb 50mg
cayenne 30mg

I just measured 37.75" bust!!! I sure wish I could find my usual measuring tape to confirm. But I'll take that reading Smile

I still don't understand why I never seem to notice the growth. I guess it is too gradual and looking at myself everyday it just isn't that noticable day to day. It also doesn't seem to be filling in up top like it was before. But I will take any increase to that area!

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:31

it is time to measure in. I am also including last measurments because I was too emarrased I did not post all of them. I am also trying to lose weight. I don't know how but somehow it does look to be going down slowly. So now I will include those measurments as well.

This is from four weeks ago 9/2/07:
underbust/band = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36"
at nipples = 37
collar bone to nipple = 6.8
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5
waist = 28.5
hips = 35
fattest part around thighs = 23.5

This is now 9/29/07 (would be cycle day 4 if I had a flow while on the pill)
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")

I'm really not doing anything at this point to lose weight. I am not exercising or dieting. I am slowing trying to substitute more whole grains and fiber, but that's about it. I think the fenugreek and other herbs were making me fat. That's my only explanation for the loss so far. I don't think I have lost any actual pounds, just a few inches here and there. I should be gaining weight now that I'm back on the pill. I probably will now that I say that.

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Unread postOct 01, 2007#22

adding some things.

1 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this soon to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg
planning to add goat's rue soon
plus still taking these:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend

licorice root, royal jelly are out for now
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Unread postOct 03, 2007#23

Kieyah I was looking at your photos and program. I am much older than you ( 45 ) and sag just a bit more but our boobs look almost identical in shape/size. I can see you have no doubt filled in the tops some and look firmer and more uplifted. That is what I am going for. I want them lifted not so much bigger. I wanted to ask you about your wild yam mask. How did you make that? Do you still use it? Where did you buy your collagen? Sorry to post to your program page, I hope it was ok. What do you feel gave you the most lift herbs or BO?
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Unread postOct 06, 2007#24

no problem, I don't mind, glad to be of help. The collagen I got off ebay. here is link to it on the mfr website so you can see what it looks like: http://www.masonvitamins.com/Product%20 ... 56-120.htm I started taking it because along with the gelatin I believe it to help with building the connective tissue in the breast. and hopefully by taking it any growth I get through the herbs, I will keep. That's my theory anyway.

for the mask I used powdered wild yam root in a lotion bottle that was about half empty. shook it up real good and let it sit until about a week or two had passed so that it would soften the powder and release it into the lotion. I did have to let some air out every now and then because air would build up in the bottle. then everyday I would put it on my breast and let it sit for awhile before taking a shower. It is gritty. not smooth and nice like extracts would be. so if you have liquid extracts I recommend using those, and you could leave it on if you used extract. but I could tell it was working because I immediately felt tingles with it. later I added fenugreek to it. if you have wild yam capsules filled with powder, you could use that.

I stopped using that mask though. I really did not use it that much. I am making one now out of the left over fenugreek, saw palmetto berries and some of the wy mixed with olive oil. hoping it won't cause the side effects I had from taking them internally. but you could use almost any kind of oil, lotion or even just mix it with distilled water. I am finding I don't like the feel of oil on my skin so I will probably go with the water for my next mask. if you make one using oil or water you can strain the powders off after the 2 weeks is up so it won't be gritty.

btw, I was a whole lot saggier before using the bb. the before pic is actually after I had used bb for a while. before bb I resembled more of deflated ballons. I did not take one before getting the bb, I was too embarrased even to look at them myself.

I think the bb made the most difference as far as sagging. I also gained about a cup size. but I also used it for almost a year. After bb, I think the herb capsules and massage gave me the most lift. although I am nowhere near where I want to be. I am also looking at the nba ebook and considering using magnets. but will save that for later on. you might want to try it though if you only want lift. there is a method in the book for placing the magnets over the ligaments to strengthen them thereby giving lift. sorry to be so long winded. hope this helps some and good luck!
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Unread postOct 07, 2007#25

I am starting a new herb mask using fg, wy, sp and evoo. I will begin using this in the evenings. I have ordered goat's rue and plan to add when arrives. also adding licorice root back in soon. I have also decided to try a few other things the magnets (nba system) and also ordered a breast massager which should arrive any day now. thats about it for now. I am also considering trying yasmin. ok so I am becoming obsessed at this point! I admit it. but I have a tramendous amount of stress in my life at this time and feel that if I can control this and get back to the size I originally was I will feel much better about myself and feel like a woman again. I keep hearing of all these things that could potentially help and I want to try them all!

Backing off of the black cohosh for now too. I keep having the feeling that it is bad for me. I keep getting nauseated and heart burn type feelings and for some reason I have a bad feeling about the black cohosh. I don't know that it is that. I took it before with no problems but this is a different dose and is extract in tablet form. Bad feeling. Gonna stop that one for now. Also have a weird feeling about red clover. but I will keep that for now.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:31

What is BB? I am taking Breast and Balance but almost done with it. I am waiting now on the PM to arrive and will try that. I have been using a mixture for massage of oils and herb extracts. I will probably continue with that and use the breast butter someone mentioned at night. Very greasy stuff, but I feel and itching each time I put it on. I am not sure if that it's working or I am allergic LOL! Thanks for responding.............
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Unread postOct 10, 2007#27

The BB I am referring to is the bossom beauty. It is a type of breast pump similar to brava. And when I mentioned that I thought herb capsules benifited greatly, I didn't mean to say that topically doesn't have benifit. I just haven't been using that for long enough to know for sure. But I know I sure feel the aches when I use the mask!
Good luck with your routine!

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Unread postOct 10, 2007#28

I am feeling much better after dropping the black cohosh. Boobs are also feeling very achy today. could be the mask is really kicking in now that I started using heat pad at night for about 5-15 min after the mask. I have been doing skin brushing for about a week now and the lumps of fat behind my hips are gone! and my jeans are feeling looser Smile

I could not get rid of that bulge even when I was 15 pounds lighter. I am not exercising either. So it is not that I have toned anything. It has just dissapeared from there.

Also want to note that even though I am losing inches in my lower body, I have not and I repeat I have NOT lost any weight. AND I am still gaining inches in bustline. I find this interesting. Maybe the fat is shifting back to my boobs where they belong! I'm not so worried about losing weight anymore. Now I just want it to keep shifing to where it belongs! I will compare measurements at next "measure in" which will be on 10/27. I will also compare my weight.

Also note I have opted to wearing loose bras to prevent restriction in the breasts. My theory is that if my bra is too thight they may not grow or the fat may prefer to find somewhere else to go. I don't want that happening! Also I feel less stress right now. I think the st john's wort and licorice root are helping with that and perhaps that may have contributed to the shift in body fat. Since it is believed that stress makes us gain in our waist and lower body. Perhaps now that the stress has lessened the fat is lessening too. All I know is I don't want it to stop now!
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Unread postOct 12, 2007#29

magnets and massager arrived today. will be adding that to my routine. I don't plan to do the tenctures. I am already doing a boobie batter at night.

Found my original tape measure and confirmed my measurements. actually at 38" bust right now but will wait for official measure in on cycle day 5.
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Unread postOct 18, 2007#30

After about a week, I am not really using the massager. After a while it gets irritating to my sensitive skin. I am still doing "some" massaging on my own (very lazily)

But I have found a way to use the magnets everyday. I knew using the NBA method would be too time consuming (5 times a day). So I didn't even try that. Instead I am taking the growth technique and just using that all by itself. I have attached the magnets to a sports bra and now just leave them there and I wear this at night while sleeping. If I happen to be home without the kids for a while and not on the pc, then I use it for a bit during the day too. Otherwise that is it. Becaue they are really too strong of magnets to just leave in a bra all day if you go out. Stuff literally gets grabbed by the magnets and sticks to them. That would be hard to explain! They can also damage electronic devices so have to stay away. The nba method mentions you should also avoid other people while wearing them.

I already notice quite a difference. Not sure if it is growth so much as shape. They are higher and closer together. I can tell they have grown a bit which normally I don't really notice. But now I can see growth near the cleavage line (between the breasts) all the way from top to bottom. I don't seem to be growing in the outter breasts so much. And my right is now overtaking the left again. My right has always bit slightly bigger. But with herbs alone the left was growing faster. This method with the magnets is convenient and seems to be working so I intend to continue this way. I do plan to put cvs magnets on some other location be cause I notice I feel short of breath at first when putting them on. I have ordered more magnets and may experiment with using more near the outter breasts to see if that gives them a boost. I have really narrow boned and narrow breasts(close together). I don't need more there! I will probably concentrate my massage more there too.

To anyone else considering magnets- do not use the nail polish method mentioned to mark them! They get stuck together and then the paint ends up coming off eventually. I just used a knife or scissor and scratched an "N" on the negative side. This helps me to remember and it doesn't come off.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:32

I have been taking a break from herbs for about a week. I have had bad pms and so decided to let myself cycle. I will update measurements and pics on cycle day 5 later this week. I can really see a difference though! can't wait to compare pics!

still doing these things during my break:

skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.

still massaging with evoo, sp, wy, fg at night when I remember. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.

wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and just added another set to outter breasts (straight across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep.

slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again

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Unread postOct 25, 2007#32

It's time to measure in. I was having really bad PMS so decided to let myself cycle and this is cycle day 5. I have sent in updated pics which should be posted soon. I have been taking a break from herbs and will start back up today.

Here is last month's measurements for comparison:
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")

This month's measurements:
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28 (down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (down 1/4")
looks like my fat is shifting upwards Big Grin

so far!

ok well the pics aren't as obvious as I had hoped, but I did lose some volume with AF. And haven't gained much which is to be expected since I am taking a break form herbs. But I can definately tell they are higher and fuller toward the center cleavage line. So basically up and closer together at least that is how it looks to me. I know they are not closer together but they are only filling out in the center (inner breast). My nipples are super ITCHY today! Wonder if I could be allergic to nickle plating of the magnets? Probably not because the sides where I put the other magnets are not itchy (at least not yet). I am also leaking a slight clear fluid not from the nipple where I'd be leaking if I where lactating but right beside the right nipple. You can kind of see in my pic that the right nipple (left in photo) has a red area well that is leaking if I squeeze it. Not sure if it is a pimple or what. But otherwise If I squeeze the actual nipple, no leaking there. so could be a pimple from the evoo. I am also getting enlarged pores around my areolas. I did that when I was pregnant and breastfeeding, so wonder if this means I will start to lactate soon? gosh I hope not but I will be monitoring this.

starting yasmin today
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (sometimes...I often skip this now)
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 1000mg total)
2 Licorice root about 1000mg total
2 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
I feel pretty good about these doses now. except for one thing. not sure what it is yet.

skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.

going to give boobie batter a rest for now. Maybe this will stop the chest pimples. I will continue to use it occationally before a shower so that the oil won't all soak in. evoo, sp, wy, fg. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.

wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and another set to outter breasts (across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep attached to a sports bra.

slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again

I am adding another sports bra under the one that has the magnets. This will protect my skin from touching the actual magnets in case I am allergic to the nickle plating.
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Unread postNov 01, 2007#33

the nipple pimple is gone. Over the past week I stopped using the boobie batter and also wore a sports bra inside the sports bra with the magnets on it just in case I have an allergy to the nickle plating on the magnets. my skin has cleared and the nipple itchies have stopped so for now I will continue using two sports bras. these bras are quite loose so I don't see any problem in using two.

I just measured myself, and normally at this point in my cycle any losses would have been regained plus a little. but not only have I not regained it, looks like I lost a bit more. I don't know if this may have anything to do with the fact that they seem to be shifting upwards or if it is from the break from herbs. I do think the left looks a bit smaller.

Adding to routine: progesterone cream once a day, hops 500mg, goat's rue 500mg, and I may add back in the boobie mask. I will also remove the added magnets on the outter sides since so far no progress from this. Maybe it was too much?
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Unread postNov 13, 2007#34

Hi Kieyah,
first of all, apologies for posting on your page, I hope you don't mind, please say if you do! But I thought it a good wasy of getting in touch.
Thanks for replying aout 5htp. I was wondering about it anyay because I seem prone to becoming more low in winter, which is tough on everyone - like permanent pmt. But now I see that the timing of programmes may be important for success i am wondering if it would help with that too. Have you checked out that thread? If not please do and let me know what you think. It's depressing in itself to think I might have started my programme at entirely the wrong time of year to have any effect but I hope the 5htp might counteract the lack of serotonin. By the way I haven't noticed fat going on in winter before (at least, no more than can be explained by eating more puddings!) so I hope this might work to my benefit. I'd really apreciate hearing your take on this. By the way your boobs look really good. But them I'd be happy to look like your starting picture! Like you I breasfed (2 kids, one year each) but I'm older than you (36). My kids are 6 and 8 now.
Thanks for any advice. You know how it is when you are new and desperate for boobs!!
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Unread postNov 13, 2007#35

I don't mind posting here at all. I think it is great that we can all ask questions and compare notes.

I have been doing some form of nbe for a long time if you count bb machine, is about a year and a half. but if you mean when did I start routinely taking herbs was in early July. On the 5HTP my bottle said to only take one a day, they are 100mg, but you can safely take up to 400mg daily. I needed 200mg daily. just wanted to let you know you can take more if needed. give it 2 weeks and if you don't notice improvement try taking one more.

I'm not sure if timing has much to do with mine. I started herbs in the summer with fenugreek and sp and gained in my tummy, hips, thighs. cut out sp and that helped but whe i switched off fg to fennel seems to be much better now. so for me as far as gaining on the lower half I actually gained more there during the summer months and am losing there now even though I don't exercise and havent' lost any pounds. So I know something must be making my fat shift. no sure if credit is from switching to fennel, taking various stress reducing herbs or if skin brushing has anything to do with it. I do feel strongly that skin brushing has at least some to do with it, because since I stopped doing it the past two weeks some of my hip fat has come back. I have neither gained nore lost any weight. I am starting to take pictures of this area (though I'm not posting them) just so I can compare and be sure it is not just all in my head.

Another thing I must mention is that I started out with large breasts when I was young, each child I breastfed sucked more and more fat out of my boobs until they were half their original size. so that may have a lot to do with why I respond so quickly to everything I try, because they have already been much larger than they are now. Maybe that makes them more sensitive. What I am trying to say is that my results are probably not typical of the average person.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:38

ran out of 5HTP, gonna see how I do without it. Still taking st johns wort. also out of melatonin, will look into getting more. added progesterone cream (wild yam)and 2 pumpkin seed oil a day (2000mg total daily), seeing some improvement in acne but have been forgetting my herbs a lot this past week.

moving magnets more toward the outer half of nipples (half on/half off) in hopes of stimulating growth more toward the outter side. don't need any more inner boobs! they are so full on the inner half and yet not rounded on the outside, kinda strange. also occationally wearing magnets in my bra during the day. I found that if I use a contoured molded cup bra the magnets are not attracted to metals around me unless I actually touch to it. I think i will experiment with this for a week and see if any change or if it makes me stall. still don't do anything but positive polarities all night/day.

Note to self: Really, really got to quit caffeine! Come on, you can do it! You've done it before, you don't need that stuff. it's affecting your herbs absorption. Just stop already! Very bad stuff. And water, water, water...good stuff, drink water NOT sodas! You know you should, just do it
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Unread postNov 21, 2007#37

I have been pretty lazy and haven't been taking my herbs regularly in quite a long while. I am restarting my program today. Upping some of my dosages in hopes of prompting more growth after my loss from the wrong polarities with the magnets. After today's measurements I see that I actually gained back what I had lost! even though I haven't been taking my herbs. The magnet therapy must be kicking in now.

AM
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
2 fennel seed 1000mg total
1 st. johns wort
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 fenugreek 500mg
1 green tea about 350mg
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)

PM
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (going to really try to stick with this now)
3-5 Papaya Enzyme (running low on these)
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 hops 500mg
1 melatonin
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)

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This month's measurements:
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.6 (very slight increase)
waist = 28 (same
fattest part around hips = 35 (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (same)

still haven't given up caffeine...yet

(edited to take out some of the ======='s, can't stand how it widens the screen driving me crazy!)
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Unread postNov 21, 2007#38

also taking 1 red clover daily

also need to add i just started drinking soymilk again, gonna be diligent on the gelatin. but still not drinking enough water, still not massaging, still not doing boobie batter, no heating pad, very little protein intake, don't use massager anymore, no skin brushing.....I've been bad!

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Unread postDec 02, 2007#39

been taking a few days break from the magnets, still taking my herbs daily so not missing that anymore. still getting aches. left is getting bigger than right again (when I'm not doing any nbe my right has always been bigger).
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Unread postDec 07 2007
I am increasing my dose of fg, fennel, hops, and gr each to about 1500mg total daily (similar to wu's dose).

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:40

This month's measurements:
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36
fattest part around thigh = 23

Woohoo! I finally hit the even 38". total gained since starting herbs: 3 inches
I am noticing another change in shape. they are starting to fill out at top and bottom of nipple. which makes them appear shorter or smaller from the side but actually they are fuller up top and slightly on bottoms. I think they look a bit less close together too. Will probably be able to tell more when there is more growth to see. this month only quarter inch growth. not noticing any more inner growth so I must have been right about it being from wearing the magnets at night. I have not been wearing magnets at night at all anymore, and only wear them during the day a few days a week. I have been really bad about not taking my herbs everyday too. really bad on the caffeine past few weeks.

Goatman
It's me again, I haven't been to the web site in a while. I took 2 months of PM and saw no gain so I am back to herbs. I am taking about 3000 each of hops, fennel and FG daily and I am seeing some growth again so obviously that is what works for me. I am looking to fill in the tops as you are doing, and raise these girls back up some. I can see your progress and I have hope I can do the same. I know it is going to take time. I just HATE swallowing SO many pills 3 times a day!

I have noticed a huge difference also in my lips since taking the Max Life Collagen. WOW a difference I can see and feel. I am very excited about it. I sent a family photo to a family member this Christmas and I have not seen her in years, she told me "you never age" That felt great....................I think all the vitamins, herbs and supplements could be paying off in not just NBE. Are you still taking the collagen? I really like the Max Life from Twin Labs.

oh, I have been just terrible about not taking all those pills every day. Mostly I forget, sometimes I just don't have time, and other times I have a sore throat from the cold winter air. I have increased my doses but it is still very low dose so I think I am going to try taking all of them at night. I usually remember at night but often in the morning when i'm trying to get ready and out the door I just don't take the time to do it. I have also not been wearing the magnets every day. I will be really surprized if i have any more growth this month.

Another thing i might try emptying all the capsules into the gelatin drink and gulp it all down real fast. i still hate the taste of the gelatin so I usually gulp it down fast anyway. Eve did not use capsules so I don't see why it would make a difference in results. it just probably taste horrible. but that would give me another option when I don't feel like choking down so many pills.

I forgot to answer your collagen question. I do still have them in my pills to take at night but honestly I haven't been taking them in several weeks. The past few months have a pattern of 1-2 weeks a month of really taking my herbs on time, followed by 2-3 weeks of nothing. I am so bad! I am going to try for a week or two to take everyting at night (all herbs/pills once a day including collagen). and if I can't even keep up with that I will try just the magnets all by themselves again and give herbs another break.

Have you tried magnets? I think the reason i am filling out up top so much lately is from them. If I end up quitting herbs for a while I may find out. and I really think the collagen and gelatin makes me retain more of my growth so that i don't lose most of it when my period comes.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:42

Mango84
Sounds like going from the frying pan into the fire...when you get tired of taking so many pills ...just go to drinking down some awful tasting concoction! haha The Knox Nutrajoint doesn't have any taste...at least not supposed to and I don't taste anything when I put it in my coffee.

here are the magnets I use: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DA2
They are really cheap, but if you aready have some strong magnets you might want to try those first. Another girl used some she had that were for crafts and they seem to be working for her.

hahaa mango! yeah maybe the taste will be so horrible I will be glad to go back to choking down the pills! I have never tried the nutrajoint. I may have to try it. too bad I bought about a 6 month supply of the knox for nails. it is orange flavored. i just hate the sugar free sweeteners. I hate the taste of diet sodas too. yuck! but that's just me. I have been seeing on ebay some gelatin powder from NOW that is tasteless. Maybe it is like the nutrajoint.
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Unread postJan 05, 2008#49

ok so for the past two days I have managed to make myself choke down all the pills at night. i think this is easier for me than spreading it out 2-3 times a day.
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Dong quai root about 530mg
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 Valerian root
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Unread postJan 11, 2008#50

switching from jasmin to orthotricyclene. also since I tend to be really lazy about taking pills during end and beginning of cycle, I am going to try out taking 1-2 week breaks during this time (which is basically what I've been doing, just unintended until now) and see how that goes.
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