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***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:43

today I start ortho and will do two week cycle of herbs all taken at the same time at night.
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg (to counteract the acne I get from herbs)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Unread postJan 16, 2008#52

This month's measurements:
1/15/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36.5
fattest part around thigh = 23
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Unread postJan 18, 2008#53

Kieyah you may not have growth this month BUT those girls don't sag like they did in the first pics. They are fuller NO doubt about it. I have been at it for 5 months now and I do notice a difference in mine also. Much fuller and a lot less jiggle and sag. You have made a difference no doubt. I never cared if I grew or not, I wanted to get less sag and raise the girls back up. It seems to be working so far.
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Unread postJan 19, 2008#54

How is your routine going? Do you have a program page? Yeah, the shape has changed for sure. but I am going for growth more than that. So having no growth in a months time is a bit sad for me. though certainly not surprising since i have been getting really sick of taking so many pills and terrible about not taking them. I even slowed down the magnets to only 3 days a week. So it's no wonder. I'm considering taking a full break again and maybe try something else for a while. Taking all these pill is really getting hard for me. Lately I find myself gagging on them and they have come back up a few times, not fun Sad

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Unread postJan 19, 2008#55

Hi Kieyah,

I really sympathise with the pill swallowing, I've always had trouble with pills and just can't do the big capsules at all. Have you thought about opening them? I've taken loose powdered herbs and although the smell when you open the jar is disgusting you take such a tiny dose that you can't taste it if you just mix it in your food or some yoghurt, porridge, cereal, custard etc. I also find it easier to swallow something nasty than a big tasteless capsule so just mixing the powder with some sugar and lemon juice in a teaspoon and swallowing is better than gulping down the pills. Hope you find something that suits you x

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:44

No I haven't tried that yet, thanks Louise. I do need to give that a try I guess before I give up. I was thinking a while back about maybe mixing the powder in with the gelatin drink mix, but thought it would be too disgusting. It is super sweet and orange flavored. I hate the taste though, but it might be easier to gulp down than a bunch of pills. I think I will give it a try tonight and see how it goes. Does the taste make you gag? my pills are 00 size too. Maybe that is why. They didn't use to bother me though.
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Unread postJan 21, 2008#57

well swallowing the powder didn't work for me. I think I'm gonna take a break from herbs for a while. For now I will continue the magnets alone.
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Unread postFeb 20, 2008#58

Done with my break for now. I have ordered wonderup and it arrived today so gonna give that a try for a while. Less pills to choke down. Gonna try to continue with gelatin and collagen. I also still seem to be getting some breakouts lately even with no herbs in my body so I might try taking the pumpkin seed oil again if I can manage not to choke. For now gonna try this:

1 women's multivitamin
6 Wonder-up per day
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
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Unread postFeb 23, 2008#59

gonna just do 4 wonderup per day

I am officially 32DD/34D

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:45

32E rather, most 34D's are a bit small in the cup and I hang out a bit. Less on the E's I think these are more full-coverage. I don't like overhang.
Holey crap they are soooooo sore today!

forgot to put in pre-wu measurments
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
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Unread postFeb 29, 2008#62

well for the past few days they have been so incredibly sore and swollen. but today they actually look bigger. looks like they are growing outwards now. whereas before (individual herbs) they were mostly filling in along the tops and before that was the center (clevage area). so not much difference in terms of inches. needless to say I am very pleased with the change.

also since I have gotten new bras I haven't been using the magnets. don't know if that made any difference or not. But I think I will continue without them for now as long as I continue to have progress without them. I have also added progesterone cream once a day during last 1-2 weeks of cycle(to help with pms). I started this while on my break. So wondering if that might have made me more sensitive to the wu and helped it to work better. also I am still on orthotri and no pumpkinseed.
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Unread postMar 08, 2008#63

Don't know if you knew but I took a break about the same time as you. It has been a month now. I lost quite a bit and the fullness I had is gone. I feel deflated. My husband is deflated also if you know what I mean, he keeps asking when I will start back. Wow MEN! I will be very anxious to see how the WU works for you. I would love to try it myself but I am in the US and do not know how to get it. I would love to be able to take less pills. Keep me posted!
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Unread postMar 08, 2008#64

Vortexhealth ship WU to US, lots of girls have used it - I think it takes about 1-2 weeks depending where you live.

Kieyah, thanks for your continued help x
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Unread postMar 09, 2008#65

yes, I live in US and ordered through vortex. only took about a week. I think it is working for me a little already but time will tell. Tomorrow will be cycle day 5 so will measure in then. I don't think I've actually grown yet, just fullness but I can see it so I'm hopeful Smile

I actually had quite a bit of swelling before my cycle this time around and it's been since I was teen since I've had that much cycle swelling (I was coming out of my new bras). not sure if that means anything but wanted to make note of it. I also don't seem to have much acne problem with WU (so far) like I did on individual herbs even though it clearly states on the bottle that WU contains fenugreek and I'm not taking pumpkinseed oil or any androgen blockers. I wonder if WU contains any androgen blockers? of course it could just be too early to tell...

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:46

Goatwoman
I also responded well herbs so hopefully if you do with WU I would also. I was taking a HANDful of herbs 3 times a day. It was hard to do. I need to start back on something soon, but I want to take Milk Thistle for a liver cleanse first. Thanks so much for letting me know I can order from the US. Did you just use a credit card and what is the cost?

I paid with cc. they take paypal, international money orders, & credit cards. These are definatly easier to take than a whole handful of herbs at a time. I was so sick of doing that. These are just two pills three times a day. I have only been taking twice a day. If that gives me any results I will stick with that to make the bottle last longer. I did not order the cream but if you do please let me know how it works for you.
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Unread postMar 09, 2008#68

This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.25"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"

I only just started WU about 2 weeks ago. so will be very curious to see how it goes after a full month. I had some wonderful cycle swelling this month just like when i was a teen. Wonder if that means anything and if this is due to the WU, progesterone cream, the ortho-tri, or even a combo of all of these. But I think it might mean I've finally hit the right hormone level for me since this is how my boobs acted in my teens. I will try to stick with this routine. Now that I'm not doing individual herbs maybe i won't be so tempted to wonder off and try new things. It is so easy to just pop two pills morning and night and that's it. no queeziness or gagging so far. I can do this! Smile

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Unread postMar 09, 2008#69

Kieyah - are you taking combined BCP + progesterone cream?

I never have had any cycle swelling (apart from my usual small waist disappearing!) and don't think I had swelling or soreness when I was developing but I was so early I can't really remember. Would you say you get a whole cup more?
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Unread postMar 10, 2008#70

I'd say about half a cup cycle swelling. I don't usually get any noticable cycle swelling in the boobs, not since my teens. This time my bras were super tight. I am hoping this is a good sign. I am taking ortho-tri cyclene (not the low dose one). this is the bcp that I took back in my teens when my boobs went from C to overflowing D, so thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to that again. and since my pms had gotten bad (not related to the pill) I started using NOW brand progesterone cream during that last week of my cycle when I start feeling very irritated and also during my period. at least during the days that are bad and I remember to use it. I started doing this during my break but even before my break I was trying to get used to using it, just not very routinely. So it might have had time to start helping.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:47

Hi Kieyah - Since you said you are okay with people commenting here, I thought I'd ask you a question if you don't mind. I haven't been on here in a looong time because I am balancing my estrogen dominance with progesterone. Your pictures are really impressive, and I noticed you had stretch marks in your earlier photos. Do you think they just improved because you filled out with NBE? I was just wondering if you attribute their improvement to anything else. You cannot see them at all in your newer pics. My stretch marks were most likely caused by being estrogen dominant and being on the pill at the same time. Do you think massage, collagen, or gelatine helped at all? Thanks a lot, and congrats on your results!

Sophie
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Unread postMar 13, 2008#72

I guess I never really paid that much attention to the stretch marks so I can't be sure exactly what helped. I can say that the magnets really improved the overall tone and I think helped to thicken the skin if that makes since. So maybe that is what did it? otherwise the collagen may have helped since it really plumps up my lips maybe it helped there too? I didn't notice any change with the gelatin other than my finger nails were hard as a rock and never broke and grew like crazy. I don't think you can grow into stretch marks. I have them on my hips and bottom too and they only seem worse when I gain weight and improve when I lose weight. Although I guess we are all different and perhaps different parts of the body behave differently.
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Unread postMar 13, 2008#73

thanks kieyah! it doesn't seem like you minded, but i just wanted to say that i just noticed because i have them (i wouldn't mind them if they were like yours either - i wish! mine are just really bad) and they really bother me. I had some collagen but never used it consistently; maybe I'll try it again for the lips part if anything else! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Unread postMar 13, 2008#74

Yes I totally recommend collagen if only for the beautiful full lips and glowing complexion.
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Unread postMar 22, 2008#75

Well I was doing really well with this routine but lately been missing my morning dose. Which is really bad since I am already taking such a small dose.

Really need to give this a good hard try. It's not that hard really. Just take them first thing in the morning and last thing before bed. Come on, you can do it!
Gonna try drinking soymilk again too if I can stomach it. I used to love it but lately taste is funny. Ran out of collagen too. For now only taking WU and BCP.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:48

Hi Kieyah

Thanks for posting your pictures and treatment Program, your info are very important and helpful, and your result is amazing. I am doing some research on PM, natural breast enlargement herbs and different treatment plans, I am quite new to this forum, I was wondering what is WU and BCP? Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you.

Babe
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Unread postMar 23, 2008#77

Welcome to the forum! No problem. WU is abreviation for wonderup which is well known on the forums to have great success. BCP is birth control pill. I am currently taking ortho tri-cyclen.

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Unread postMar 23, 2008#78

Hi Kieyah

Thanks for your prompt reply, now I understand what you girls were talking about.

I have ordered 3 months supply of PM and waiting for the products to arrive, since I've found this forum, I am so looking forward to start my breast enlargement treatment, as I have seen many successful results and true stories, which is encouraging and I really can't wait to start soon.

I have tried natural breast enlargement before, but failed, I really keep my finger crossed this time with PM, hope this stuff will works for me. I have noticed that you are same age as me, I'm just wondering have you experience any growing pain at all during the treatment?
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Unread postMar 23, 2008#79

Yes, I usually get a lot of aches and tingles especially when I first start something new. Then as I get used to it, not so much just slight aches. But with the single herbs I sometimes would get more aches when I forgot to take them for a few days. I think it has something to do with the fact that I breastfeed 3 little ones so i probably am more sensitive to hormone changes than most women. With WU I experienced a TON of aches when I first started. With magnets I also experienced a lot of aches especially during the beginning. I don't massage so I guess maybe I just don't notice the aches as much as others do who massage. Massage is supposed to be very important, so I'm not saying you don't need it. I'm just very busy and after the grow yours routine I guess I am burned out on massage for a long time now. I also feel that massage produces temporary swelling, which I don't want. I want true growth, not just swelling. But on the other hand it helps with circulation which seems like that would maybe help the herbs go to the right place, kinda like to wake them up (Hey herbs, over here!). And to clear the lymph and junk in there which might help them to function better and the herbs to take effect better.
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Unread postApr 02, 2008#80

I have been drinking slimfast shakes and have lost some fullness in my boobs. For the past few days i have been noticing some itching on the nipples. Not sure what this is. I have not been using magnets for a long time now. So it can't be that. I'm thinking the loss in fullness is making them rub against inside my bra? This is depressing. I have come so far but I do want to lose a few pounds. Guess I have to save up for another bb machine. and maybe that will stop the loss from coming from there.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:49

Well I was right about having lost some fullness. But not as bad as I thought. I am still going to stop drinking slimfast or anything to try to lose weight until I can get me another BB to keep it from coming off from there.

This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 29"
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 37"
armpit level: 36.5"

I'm not going to post pics because it doesn't look much different and I didn't gain anything. I can tell some of the fullness above the nipple area is gone but that's all that is noticible. I still fill out my new bras but there is no cleavage coming out the top anymore. I have been on antibiotics for a sinus infection so that probably didn't help either.
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Unread postApr 23, 2008#82

well been slacking off again but have been feeling aches so maybe what little I have been taking when I do remember is enough, but probably not. I can feel some big swollen lobes though.
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Unread postMay 06, 2008#83

@ nipple 37.75" so lost a quarter inch this month Sad

I have ordered a set of XL bb domes and going to use these with a breastmilk pump to similate the BB machine. They should be arriving sometime this week. Once I have used these for a few weeks, I plan to try to lose some weight. Hopefully this will help to prevent the weight from coming off my boobs (modeling this after louise who was able to lose weight and yet gained boobs with brava).

In the meantime, I am going to give magnets another try. Maybe this will help kick start things since WU doesn't seem to be doing much on its own. Also going to try 6 WU a day (up from 4/day). I might even do a little massage. I guess it is normal not to grow every month. But I am so used to it that I feel really down that I'm suddenly not growing anymore. I know this is not my genetic limit because I have already been larger than this even as a teenager. So i'm not giving up. I'm so close to my goal. I also wonder if WU just doesn't affect my body. With single herbs i had horrible acne even on a very low dose of fenugreek. and yet with a much higher dose in WU I don't get acne.
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Unread postMay 06, 2008#84

also wanted to add that I have done a little (very little) massage and have noticed that one of the broken capillaries is getting a lot smaller. it is barely noticable now. the other one closer to the nipple appears unchanged. i am going to do a little bit of fingertip massage directly to these areas, since i think the little bit of massage i have done so far is what has helped to heal the one.
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Unread postMay 06, 2008#85

I also forgot to use the pc during my last and first week of cycle this last time around. not sure now much impact that had but needs noting. I haven't taken collagen in a long time since I ran out and can't seem to find more. I am also going to try to drink more water and add more protein to my diet. I haven't been drinking soy or eating much meat lately. I've been drinking a lot of soda lately. I've been so bad. I will give wu on more try and if no significant growth this month I'm gonna switch back to single herbs. I know they say to give it 6 months but I responded quickly to single herbs so I am rather disappointed.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:52

BB domes arrived. I will begin using a homemade airlock with these once or twice a day until I can get either a BB or another eventflo pump to use with the BB domes.

ok so after reviewing my program history I find that I had my most rapid growth when I was taking single herbs very low dose only 1000mg daily, often missing this dose and also taking collagen and gelatin at least when i remembered. Think I will add the gelatin back in, order me some more collagen and give that a go to see if maybe I require these in order to grow. If this doesn't make the wu work I will go back to single herbs once this bottle runs out. I really don't understand why wu wouldn't work just like all the other single herbs I was taking. Unless my body just doesn't like extract form of herbs. this would be the first attempt at extract herbs taken internally.

oh and I'm already sick of the BB domes with airlock. I have got to save up for the real machine. airlocking sucks!

starting to get pimples again. Not sure if this means the WU is starting to work or if it is a bad sign. I definately don't like acne but will continue until they are gone. I will lower my dose to only 2 a day PM.

starting collagen again, only 2 WU a day, and melatonin. taking these at night. no massage and not using suction. going to order a real BB soon.

Good news I am noticing some slight achiness today. Hopefully things will pick back up again. I have added back in my herbal med because my diaphram is hurting again. It has a few things in it that could possibly be nbe beneficial. So just wanted to note that. So program has been:

1 women's multivitamin
2 Wonder-up per day (extremely low dose but should put me close to when i was taking single herbs)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (when I remember which isn't very often)
2 Collagen with vit C
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total (just for a week or so to help with the new pimples I'm getting wiht WU)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin

3 tablets herbal blend med:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

That's it. Still not massaging. I keep thinking I will give that a try again. And I keep thinking i'm going to add magnets in again but I haven't yet. I may not do either since I'm planning to give BB a try again. should be getting my BB machine by the end of this week.

Starting BB today. so won't be taking anymore pics until after BB finished, otherwise it would be pic of swelling not true growth. I will continue to measure each month and maybe even each week, to help determine if BB is having effect. Probably have to measure before and after BB session to know how much swelling and how much is maintained. After a few weeks and I am able to maintain some swelling throughout the day, I will begin trying to lose weight. With the idea that losing weight while using BB will keep the weight from coming off my boobs. I will continue with WU and others until WU runs out then will go back to single herbs.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:52

For the past week I am using once a day for 60 minutes at about 10 o'clock on firm setting. I of course slowly worked up to this, but for the past couple days I have been at that setting. So far I am maintaining about a half cup size swelling from BB that is staying all day. Very nice! It seems the swelling is staying much longer than I remember from the first time I tried this so maybe there is hope for more growth!
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Unread postJun 13, 2008#94

woops more like 9 o'clock maybe just below that. I don't want to have marks or pain so I plan to just very slowly work my way up. I still don't have silicone sheeting. It is so expensive now. Guess I have to save up for it. I am still maintaining at least half a cup size increase throughout the day until my next session. I can just barely still wear the same size bras. If I swell anymore than this I will have to find some bras to wear during swelling stage. I hope it is ok to continue wearing tight bras. I do suction at night so when I start doing twice a day I will probably have to get new bras. So far no marks. I am going to try to re-dedicate myself to drinking the gelatin mixes again.

I am going to start drinking slimfast shakes and possibly start an exercise routine to try to lose weight. So I don't know if I should even expect any growth at all, or just to maintain what I already have. I have been considering doing some light massaging because they get sore and feel very heavy. I can feel what seems like one really huge lobe inside them both. It reminds be of when I was a teenager except that it is a bit deeper inside. So I hope this is maybe a good sign.
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Unread postJul 07, 2008#95

After five months on wonderup it is cycle day 5 and 3 days without bb so I measured. I am still at 38.5" @ nipple. So I have had no growth from wu. I am not going to continue with it anymore. I am going to continue for now taking the other suppliments and BB. I may start single herbs again. Haven't decided yet. I am pretty upset having wasted all these months on wu. I really wanted it to work. It was so much easier just to swallow a couple pills a day rather than a handful at a time.
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Unread postJul 21, 2008#96

This is really weird my last post is gone. anyway I am starting this on date of 7/19/08.
I am adding individual herbs back in, might take another break from bb and trying to get used to wearing magnets for a short period each day. So I never grew on wu and it seems that I should have grown with wu since it is similar. I may have reached my growth limit, or maybe wu just wasn't for me. I guess we shall see what happens. I will repost my doses later.

***Eve M*** · 25-01-2022, 15:53

up until now i have been taking 500mg each
fenugreek
fennel
hops
dong quai
licorice

stopping fenugreek due to breakouts again, upping fennel to 1000mg instead.
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Unread postAug 05, 2008#98

What cup size are you at now? And what was the biggest you have gotten through out the whole time you have been taking the herbs?
Thanks
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Unread postAug 06, 2008#99

Kieyah, you know what has really helped me with the breakouts that stem from fenugreek? It is a Zinc supplement with at least 15 mg of zonc in each dose, as well as some witch hazel. You will start ti notice the difference.

Also, I would like to say I am encouraged to continue with my NBE plans after seeing your great results. I would just like to know what size did you go up to?

Thanks, again
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Unread postAug 10, 2008#100

Sorry to take so long replying. i don't check this page very often. I am currently a full 34D or 32E. I do overflow the cups a little, sometimes more than others. This IS the biggest i have ever been while taking herbs. I may have reached my nbe limit. But I am going to give individual herbs one more chance and see what happens. starting slow and very low dose so shouldn't really be expecting anything for a few months until I reach the right dose.

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