[Bustyprincess]

Going off foggy memmory, When IGF and HGH synthetically were invented before i was born, scientists had found igf 1, igf 2, igf 7, igf 14..... I think the later identified versions were deammed harmful.  similar to varients of hgh...

Now from my more recent conclusions, HGH very well may be an anti-aging compound worth investigating... Not diving into that with facts now...

Cinnamin, forgive my spelling has always been my.favorite on Cream chipped beef or french toast. Remeber the golden cinomin rule, Any more than a tbsp per day is dangerious on the liver. That said, look at its marvelous cell structure which.is almost identical to : vanilla, wintergreen mint, and moth balls.  Mint oil itself is repulsive to many vermon. My grandma loved mint icecream while I dont. But im a cinomin fan....

You all should learn about electric if you wonder why colors are what they are for similar multivalent elements.

as far as deer antler goes.. i look at it like hair. its the bodies waisted or unneccesary elements the body.sheds... if everyrhing was perfect, then why does every antler grow different but similar to.each other. I also see alot of calcium... Yes the black ivory oil paint from Ivory husk of elephants produced a remarkable contrast hue but its all just synthetic now. Yes Kings yellow oil paint was made from sy-anide which made the earless man crazy.... (what a home he was raised in, it was for sale on ebay once.)

So point taken, as you create your tincure.and.concoctions you fail to emulsify amd.change viscosity to result in a rather propper priduct. Maybe there is hope in layers of application, but then it is only so deep the onion core is... What i think, is you all fail to see how smells are considered radioactive, Crazy i know, go ahead and mock. I have a hard time beleiving it. But the gentleman whos wife boobs exploded in size, wasnt from the transdermal application or the layered formula,massage, but in fact from the inhalation of those elements in combination to the message resulting in blood induced along with nutrients flowing to where they were.needed...  remember smells all decay and are easy to absorb. 

Can I get a good job? you solved it? just kidding, im an idiot, but i like to help others realize crazy sciences. That said, be careful what you breath as I learned once I get headaches from smelly farm people. what a story that was.

You never fail to confuse me with your rambles Carber.... Lol

[carber911]

Thanks Princess, awe, shucks, i dont mean to sound like a rambler as i try to be scientific, but you must study physics, to understand my meaning more proficiently.

ok, so it turns out deer antler is actualy a plant, (how dumb i feel now= but gelotin ingredient is an emulsifer made from horse hooves so i thought antler was similar) i will post scientific names later... what an idiot i was thinking it was antler... anyway i found a supplier in asia... it really is out of this world looking... stems are crimson red, tops are kings yellow.

i think i found a dragons blood plant supplier as well as its a big ingredient of my old recipes from 1900s ... out of 200,000+ fruit plants, there really is so much to learn. Im not the best botnist, but i recently am enjoying the fruits of knowledge about plants.

i will be teaching science again come march, so i cant wait to buy a "oil press" and start making,my own "hydrogen oxide"  i recently researched alot of herbs and was curious to see if they were base or acidic on the table of....

i really think the freshness is important, unless its flaxseed/ aka linseed oil, not all oils last for years... Olive oil is hard to buy and you cant trust the bottle as much as a ph test. anyway olive oil lasts 200 years while flax lasts 150 plus years when it comes to oil paintings before they crack... i would love to find that one plant where the leaves survive 400 to 1000 years... i would so create a BE oil compound from that if the ph was balanced. I give you names later...

here is a ramble

Who can take tomorrows sorrow,

dip it in a dream,

seperate the froth from the cream?

Carber can!

anyway, im very busy these days writing and av.

Now from my more recent conclusions, HGH very well may be an anti-aging compound worth investigating... Not diving into that with facts now...

Cinnamin, forgive my spelling has always been my.favorite on Cream chipped beef or french toast. Remeber the golden cinomin rule, Any more than a tbsp per day is dangerious on the liver. That said, look at its marvelous cell structure which.is almost identical to : vanilla, wintergreen mint, and moth balls.  Mint oil itself is repulsive to many vermon. My grandma loved mint icecream while I dont. But im a cinomin fan....

You all should learn about electric if you wonder why colors are what they are for similar multivalent elements.

as far as deer antler goes.. i look at it like hair. its the bodies waisted or unneccesary elements the body.sheds... if everyrhing was perfect, then why does every antler grow different but similar to.each other. I also see alot of calcium... Yes the black ivory oil paint from Ivory husk of elephants produced a remarkable contrast hue but its all just synthetic now. Yes Kings yellow oil paint was made from sy-anide which made the earless man crazy.... (what a home he was raised in, it was for sale on ebay once.)

So point taken, as you create your tincure.and.concoctions you fail to emulsify amd.change viscosity to result in a rather propper priduct. Maybe there is hope in layers of application, but then it is only so deep the onion core is... What i think, is you all fail to see how smells are considered radioactive, Crazy i know, go ahead and mock. I have a hard time beleiving it. But the gentleman whos wife boobs exploded in size, wasnt from the transdermal application or the layered formula,massage, but in fact from the inhalation of those elements in combination to the message resulting in blood induced along with nutrients flowing to where they were.needed...  remember smells all decay and are easy to absorb. 

Can I get a good job? you solved it? just kidding, im an idiot, but i like to help others realize crazy sciences. That said, be careful what you breath as I learned once I get headaches from smelly farm people. what a story that was.

You never fail to confuse me with your rambles Carber.... Lol

[PSQuest95]

So if I took MK-677, which is supposed to increase levels of IGF and HGH in the body, would I need to take anything else to cause breast growth and would it possibly trigger macromastia-type growth? Currently I'm on Bovine Ovary and Mammary Glandular as well as a BC (Femynor).

[surferjoe2007]

So if I took MK-677, which is supposed to increase levels of IGF and HGH in the body, would I need to take anything else to cause breast growth and would it possibly trigger macromastia-type growth? Currently I'm on Bovine Ovary and Mammary Glandular as well as a BC (Femynor).

I couldn’t find the true root cause of macromastia anywhere and HGF, HGH and IGF-1 seem to be more like middle steps: macromastia causes massive amounts of all 3 in the breasts in response to a normal amount of estrogen which then causes tremendous breast growth, but taking/injecting massive amounts from an external source would be dangerous/deadly.  And mk-677 only increases IGF-1 a little.  A few forum members have tried mk-677 so you can do a search and see how it did for them.  Before that there was very little info.  But no mk-677 won’t cause macromastia and if anything maybe or maybe not helps growth alongside other nbe methods.

EDIT: I did a forum search just now out of curiosity and there’s still not a lot of info on mk-677 but it seems to have helped some women a little.  That said it’s a research chemical not an approved drug for human use.  Bodybuilder forums have way more people who have tried it without major ill effects, there’s a 1 year study showing very high safety, and theoretically long term a little higher IGF-1 has low (but some) negative effects, but who knows for sure with something unapproved.

More general nbe tips are in my signature link.  Your birth control and BO sound like mostly estrogen with a little progestin, so a little less PM would be used than what link says if you use PM at all.

[Lotus]

So if I took MK-677, which is supposed to increase levels of IGF and HGH in the body, would I need to take anything else to cause breast growth and would it possibly trigger macromastia-type growth? Currently I'm on Bovine Ovary and Mammary Glandular as well as a BC (Femynor).

There's plenty of information on IGF-1 and MK-677 if you look in the right spot.

Please read this thread (below) starting at post #173 on down to the bottom of the page that lists "real" scientific articles on the dangers of taking MK-677, it covers when the female body actually produces natural IGF-1. IGF-1 accelerates aging, while something called "AMPK (activated protein kinase) increases longevity and many other things, like growing breasts too.
https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=22417&pid=208328&highlight=mk-677#pid208328

There are many natural AMPK activators out there, like resveratrol, forskolin, Baicalin, turmeric, etc. And something else I discuss is what's called Adenylyl Cyclase, which when released in the body it's converted to estrogen via cAMP (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate) and this process makes you look younger believe it or not...why?, because releasing stored estrogen in fat cells are feminizing. I know this is complex information, and it may take extra readings to familiarize oneself,  but once we understand how some of these cellular responses work the better we can answer question of breast growth and beyond.

Here's cAMP explained (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate)

The Cyclic AMP Pathway
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3504441/ 

AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK) controls the aging process via an integrated signaling network
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568163711000778

[hannah]

So if I took MK-677, which is supposed to increase levels of IGF and HGH in the body, would I need to take anything else to cause breast growth and would it possibly trigger macromastia-type growth? Currently I'm on Bovine Ovary and Mammary Glandular as well as a BC (Femynor).

There's plenty of information on IGF-1 and MK-677 if you look in the right spot.

Please read this thread (below) starting at post #173 on down to the bottom of the page that lists "real" scientific articles on the dangers of taking MK-677, it covers when the female body actually produces natural IGF-1. IGF-1 accelerates aging, while something called "AMPK (activated protein kinase) increases longevity and many other things, like growing breasts too.
https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=22417&pid=208328&highlight=mk-677#pid208328

There are many natural AMPK activators out there, like resveratrol, forskolin, Baicalin, turmeric, etc. And something else I discuss is what's called Adenylyl Cyclase, which when released in the body it's converted to estrogen via cAMP (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate) and this process makes you look younger believe it or not...why?, because releasing stored estrogen in fat cells are feminizing. I know this is complex information, and it may take extra readings to familiarize oneself,  but once we understand how some of these cellular responses work the better we can answer question of breast growth and beyond.

Here's cAMP explained (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate)

The Cyclic AMP Pathway
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3504441/ 

AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK) controls the aging process via an integrated signaling network
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568163711000778

Yaay nice science..(not sarcastic yet)
I hope this is something cool once I figured out how to use this information.
I am looking forward to find a clearer moment for this Lotus lol.

I understoood from the NCBI article that calcium does a certain thing, ha ha. But whether it is positive? 

But the ampk activitors are awesome and simple. Thanks for that piece of gold! 
I am grateful for knowing you as bn member!!!

[surferjoe2007]

So if I took MK-677, which is supposed to increase levels of IGF and HGH in the body, would I need to take anything else to cause breast growth and would it possibly trigger macromastia-type growth? Currently I'm on Bovine Ovary and Mammary Glandular as well as a BC (Femynor).

There's plenty of information on IGF-1 and MK-677 if you look in the right spot.

Please read this thread (below) starting at post #173 on down to the bottom of the page that lists "real" scientific articles on the dangers of taking MK-677, it covers when the female body actually produces natural IGF-1. IGF-1 accelerates aging, while something called "AMPK (activated protein kinase) increases longevity and many other things, like growing breasts too.
https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=22417&pid=208328&highlight=mk-677#pid208328

There are many natural AMPK activators out there, like resveratrol, forskolin, Baicalin, turmeric, etc. And something else I discuss is what's called Adenylyl Cyclase, which when released in the body it's converted to estrogen via cAMP (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate) and this process makes you look younger believe it or not...why?, because releasing stored estrogen in fat cells are feminizing. I know this is complex information, and it may take extra readings to familiarize oneself,  but once we understand how some of these cellular responses work the better we can answer question of breast growth and beyond.

Here's cAMP explained (cyclic adenosine 3′,5′-monophosphate)

The Cyclic AMP Pathway
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3504441/ 

AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK) controls the aging process via an integrated signaling network
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568163711000778

Yaay nice science..(not sarcastic yet)
I hope this is something cool once I figured out how to use this information.
I am looking forward to find a clearer moment for this Lotus lol.

I understoood from the NCBI article that calcium does a certain thing, ha ha. But whether it is positive? 

But the ampk activitors are awesome and simple. Thanks for that piece of gold! 
I am grateful for knowing you as bn member!!!

I’d like to add that mk-677 acts like ghrelin, and I found studies saying ghrelin reduces estrogen, progesterone and LH.  And that it shrinks breasts, probably for that reason.  The 2 or 3 forum women using mk-677 grew a lot while also using other ways so it probably isn’t a big effect or can be countered.  But between that, minor legal issues, and lack of examples of success I think mk-677 is probably a bad idea for nbe.  I’ll also be sure to make a note against it when I update my guide.

Studies:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23652392/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Gh...%20hormone

I still think DHEA is a much easier choice for IGF-1, as weak as it may be.  And you usually can’t benefit from more than 50 mg though more doesn’t hurt.  You can try to spread it out to twice a day though that might not be worth the trouble since it only helps a little.  Random things like fenugreek and taking care of yourself help a little too.

[Grayson123]

We shouldn’t harm cute deer just to get thicc boobs. Premarin and Prempro estrogens are even worse because the horses are treated cruelly.

Just don’t buy it. It’s like an alleged men’s viagra product that doesn’t even work. It’s not used for growth enhancement but as a substitute for viagra.

There are human IGF-1 nasal sprays that are made from plant based raw materials. There are also so many herbal options.

[surferjoe2007]

We shouldn’t harm cute deer just to get thicc boobs.  Premarin and Prempro estrogens are even worse because the horses are treated cruelly.

Just don’t buy it. It’s like an alleged men’s viagra product that doesn’t even work. It’s not used for growth enhancement but as a substitute for viagra.

There are human IGF-1 nasal sprays that are made from plant based raw materials. There are also so many herbal options.

https://antlerfarms.com/blogs/articles/h...-collected
The bigger issue is that it is very weak and very expensive though.  I didn’t know IGF-1 could be absorbed nasally, that is interesting.  It is however a prescription drug.

I did find that aloe imitates igf-1 and hgh which increased growth in lab animals by 15%.  Besides many other major benefits and high safety, while a direct hormone has some safety issues besides the legal ones.  More importantly while aloe tends to quickly lose the active compounds, freeze drying preserves them without damaging them.  Unlike other drying or storage methods.  Around 1,500 mg is a good amount.  There are diminishing returns so there’s not much point to more.

I should also caution that I wasn’t able to find anything major and that as far as I know IGF-1 and HGH remain as minor secondary factories in NBE.  It’s still unknown why macromastia responds so much stronger to hormones than normal, and why the local HGF and IGF-1 are so extremely high in macromastia (600% in the case of HGF).  Furthermore if they were so high in the whole body then the whole body would have extreme growth not only the breasts, along with the dangers that could entail to some parts of the body.  Macromastia is a local breast-only super high response to estrogen and progesterone boosting HGF and IGF-1 in the breast area only.

[Grayson123]

Yeah I'm going to start taking a little aloe. I definitely wish I had a bit of macromastia though lol.