[ShelaVenna]

oh heck, no problem! I’m new here and just learning. your summary of likely noggleberry result trends seems spot on to me from a lot of random reading i think it (and bosom beauty) will work for some people, but not all and has higher risks vs evebra because hand pumps encourage high vac pressure in my mind. 

i think evebra will likely work for a broader subset of people based on the peer review articles and a low and slow and long and steady approach. the science that growth happens slowly during long term expansions seems sound to me. 

i think four to six months of low pressure 12 hours in a not totally tortuous device seems better for me than two hours a day for a year in a noogleberry or bosum beauty. 

i do still think bosom beauty has crap marketing though. their video showing instant breast growth is pure crack cocaine for new purchasers or those that don’t research. It is just a boob being vac pumped bigger. the size will go away in moments and if a user does 30 minutes of pump like that daily for a year i think their odds of any real growth are very slim. 

me? I’m pumping right now. size 4 Evebra cups. 60mgHg for 2 min then 30mmHg for six minutes. I’m on like hour 12 of today. 

when i go to sleep (soon!) i’ll try to sleep on my back at a steady 30mmHg and see if i can get some more hours in.

The owner of Bosom Beauty is a liar, that’s undeniable, but BB has been somewhat popular on here for a long time, because most people seem to be pretty happy to just use his product however they see fit and ignore what he has to say about it. All the stuff he writes on his website and ebay listings is a mixture of outright lies, misdirection, fluffing, and self delusion. I’m not really invested in teaching him a lesson, I don’t feel morally obligated to boycott him for bad practices, and I’ve always gotten the impression that no one takes what he says seriously anyway, so my response to his stupid marketing tactics is to just roll my eyes. The funny thing is, I’ve always been his biggest hater on this forum. No one else ever seems to call him out on his lies, or even seems to care what he says. Congratulations. You have now taken my crown as the BB guy’s biggest hater, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I completely understand wanting to avoid buying from him or recommending his product on principle alone, but there’s a more practical reason not to buy from him, and that’s because it’s cheaper to just buy what is likely the exact same pump off of Aliexpress and pair it with some noogleberry cups and a basic sports bra. 

You said before that you think his padding is probably better than Noogleberry’s silcone rings and I have to strongly disagree. This is where I have to admit that I owned the Bosom Beauty at one point. The original version without the new pump. If you knew how many different systems, parts, and accessories I’ve owned you would think I was batshit insane, and you’d be right. Getting back on topic, his padding is foam, and foam padding sucks IMO, especially when you’re trying to pump at low pressures. It’s less comfortable, less sturdy, and much worse at holding a seal than silicone. 

[blueheart]

Hopefully people are actually reading this and finding it useful.

I would not call your posts useful. I would say invaluable.

[ShelaVenna]

A few comments ago, I listed what I believe to be the advantages of Evebra over more “traditional” pumping systems, and I said I’d list all the disadvantages in another comment. I lied. Turns out I still have advantages to talk about, but most of those advantages can also be disadvantages depending on the situation. It’s difficult to separate the two.

Something that gets constantly brought up as a major advantage of the Evebra is the anatomically correct teardrop shaped cups. I’m a bit surprised by that, because of all the things that make Evebra unique, this one seems the least important to me, and the cups do have their downsides. First of all, “Torpedo” cups with a circular base, like the Noogleberry cups, do not leave circular rings. They leave surprisingly teardrop shaped rings. That’s because they manage to suck in a lot more upper breast tissue than I think most people would intuitively expect. Having said that, I still understand that teardrop shaped cups, like Evebra cups, do suck in more upper breast tissue than torpedo cups. In my own personal opinion, people who succeeded in growing with the Evebra’s predecessor (the Brava, which also had teardrop cups) did seem to have more “upper pole” breast fullness based on their photos, than people who grew using the noogleberry, but it’s a subtle difference IMO. I don’t think the difference in upper pole fullness between torpedo cup users and teardrop cup users is anywhere near as big as some people seem to think. The disadvantage of teardrop shaped domes is that they’re a bit more difficult to position. Non-contoured torpedo cups can be spun around in any direction because their base is just a circle, and they can be repositioned in any direction a bit further than is possible with the teardrop domes and the wide skirts that come with them. Contoured torpedo cups can’t be repositioned as easily as non-contoured cups, but they can still be repositioned more easily than teardrop cups. That means that if you start to develop a bit of a sore spot in one area while using the torpedo domes, you can slide them just slightly away from that spot on the next night, which doesn’t sound like a big deal, but it makes for a huge difference in comfort IME. I’m not saying it’s impossible to reposition teardrop domes in that way, but it is more difficult. Also the rim skirts are so wide that certain parts of your chest will always be under the rim skirts, no matter how much you try to reposition the cups. Not being able to give some parts of your chest a break from daily pressure can be an issue.

The rim “skirts” do still have a lot of advantages over regular cup rings, but there are still other disadvantages that I’ve noticed. The biggest issue is that even though the cup skirts are unbeatable at keeping a seal at low pressure, they are pretty bad at keeping a seal at moderate pressure, and basically useless at high pressure. At pressures higher than what Evebra recommends, the thin edges of the skirt start to flip under, and even get sucked into the domes, which breaks the seal. This is a nonissue if you plan to follow Evebra’s instructions to the letter, but many people experiment with higher pressures once their Evebra growth starts to plateau, and the cup skirts make that a bit difficult to do.

[blueseltzer]

Super interesting post as always! I think the big advantage of the Evebra is the wide soft skirts because they allow long term wear (i’m wearing them now at 30mm/Hg on the DeRoyal Pro II that i think you linked and helped me buy!). 

The cup shape i think matters too, but I’m less sure. I’m at the width capacity of their cups now because I started as a 39 underboob with 43 inch bust. My boobs totally fill the cups left to right and extend down at an angle under the skirts. 

I put some of their cups one at a time in the oven set to 220F and pulled em just as they got hot and stretched em a bit wider and let em cool. This worked and they are still teardrop, but wider for my boobs. 

I have a set of Ebay wider circular cups arriving later today that i may switch to. They’ll cover my width and go wide around my upper boob, but not in a teardrop. i think they are 9 inches wide vs my current stretched Evebra cups which are 7 ish inches wide currently. Do you think being wide up top and still covering over and above my boob will lead to good growth? I don’t want top growth on my non boob part of my chest if that makes sense. i only want boob growth, not random chest growth. 

I may try the oven trick on my new ebay cups to make the top narrow but i want them to stay comfy first off. The Evebra skirts will likely stretch over em, but they’ll be tight and maybe not able to flare as much under pressure. I’m not sure. 

your point about the skirts folding under at high pressure is a good one. I find if i hold em down tight with the bra i can keep em flared out, but then the bra is too tight for sleeping comfortably. 

Above like 40mm/Hg the skirts don’t spread the pressure out and what you end up feeling is the edge of the cup pressing hard on your chest. As a result i only use that pressure a little bit for like two minutes sometimes on the pump and then drop down to 25 or 30 for comfort. I sleep at 25. below that the cups pop off when i move in my sleep and lose pressure. 

I have gone to a high of 70 with the evebra skirts but i made red marks on my skin under the skirts even with a ton of the petroleum jelly so i now don’t go above 40 and even that i only do sparingly.

[ShelaVenna]

Super interesting post as always! I think the big advantage of the Evebra is the wide soft skirts because they allow long term wear (i’m wearing them now at 30mm/Hg on the DeRoyal Pro II that i think you linked and helped me buy!). 

The cup shape i think matters too, but I’m less sure. I’m at the width capacity of their cups now because I started as a 39 underboob with 43 inch bust. My boobs totally fill the cups left to right and extend down at an angle under the skirts. 

I put some of their cups one at a time in the oven set to 220F and pulled em just as they got hot and stretched em a bit wider and let em cool. This worked and they are still teardrop, but wider for my boobs. 

I have a set of Ebay wider circular cups arriving later today that i may switch to. They’ll cover my width and go wide around my upper boob, but not in a teardrop. i think they are 9 inches wide vs my current stretched Evebra cups which are 7 ish inches wide currently. Do you think being wide up top and still covering over and above my boob will lead to good growth? I don’t want top growth on my non boob part of my chest if that makes sense. i only want boob growth, not random chest growth. 

I may try the oven trick on my new ebay cups to make the top narrow but i want them to stay comfy first off. The Evebra skirts will likely stretch over em, but they’ll be tight and maybe not able to flare as much under pressure. I’m not sure. 

your point about the skirts folding under at high pressure is a good one. I find if i hold em down tight with the bra i can keep em flared out, but then the bra is too tight for sleeping comfortably. 

Above like 40mm/Hg the skirts don’t spread the pressure out and what you end up feeling is the edge of the cup pressing hard on your chest. As a result i only use that pressure a little bit for like two minutes sometimes on the pump and then drop down to 25 or 30 for comfort. I sleep at 25. below that the cups pop off when i move in my sleep and lose pressure. 

I have gone to a high of 70 with the evebra skirts but i made red marks on my skin under the skirts even with a ton of the petroleum jelly so i now don’t go above 40 and even that i only do sparingly.

YOU BAKED THE CUPS AND RESHAPED THEM? AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED!? 
The thought has occurred to me, but I figured there was a high chance that some parts would just melt before the entire cups became malleable enough to reshape, or it would just catch fire. You might be the first person to ever try heating and reshaping plastic cups, unless you got that idea from someone else. I wish there was an easy way to reshape the entire base of the teardrop to be narrower, but I have a feeling that would be a lot more complicated than widening them. Maybe boards on either side would work, but I can imagine a lot of problems with that idea.

[ShelaVenna]

I totally forgot you asked me a question, Blue. I was too distracted by the fact that you baked your cups. No, I don’t think it’s possible for cups to come up too high, as long as they don’t pass the collarbone, which seems pretty unlikely. In theory it’s possible for cups to come down too low and cause some sort of weird fat roll to form under the breast crease, but I have never, ever heard of that actually happening to anyone, and like I’ve said before, I’ve been on and off of various NBE forums for sooo many years that I’m embarrassed to admit how long it’s been.

[blueseltzer]

Thanks for the tip re not coming up too high. I cant get the skirts from evebra to sit right with the 9.5 inch round cups from ebay that arrived yesterday so that currently isnt an issue. the silicone will stretch around the edge of the cup, but the bottom of the skirts won’t flare right. to make it work i would have to mold my own soft silicone skirts, which i am thinking of doing. 

and yeah! i baked my cups and stretched em. i thought of stretching em myself, but I’m sure others have tried before!

i tried cooking the noogleberry butt cups i ordered and was never gonna use first to get a method down. I looked up the softening temp of clear plastic online and guessed at a target temp of stretchability at 220F. 

key is to not go too high and pull em as soon as they hit softening. I noticed small bubbles forming in the rim and pulled em at that point to stretch. I did four experiments and wrote em up as i did em (I’m a nerd). My best result actually was experiment 1 below:

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noog butt  cup

6 1/2 wide by 7 3/16th tall starting measurement
procedure:

1. unscrew and remove locking air valve from noog cup
   
2. place cup open side up in kitchen oven resting on aluminum foil on middle rack
   
3. preheat oven to 200f, start bake and start stopwatch
   
4. stopwatch at 5:36 temp on oven reads 200 turn off and open oven
   
5. wearing oven mitts gently widen mouth of cup while still in oven just sligtly. notice edges of cup have slight bubbling under surface. hold cup wider with mitts and remove from oven 
   
6. hold wide for approx 3 minutes while plastic cools
   
7. notice slight edge deformity occurring. press deformity back into place with metal spoon handle. 
   
8. allow plastic to cool to room temp approx 20 min on timer from start of experiment
   

results: slight edge deformity and bubbling noted. threads still work for screwing in airlock valve. 

width: 6 and 7/8 inch (+ 3/8 inch)
height: 6 and 3/4 inch (- 7/16 inch)
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I have an infrared handheld thermometer so i started using that to measure the cup temp directly for experiments 2,3,4. I think the softening temp is about 250F measured at the surface of the cup itself. 

My oven heated over the set temp of 200F on experiment 1 because that’s how my oven works apparently. it overshoots and then cools down. I don’t know by how much though because I didn’t have my infrared thermometer in hand for experiment 1. 

On experiment 2 for some reason my oven heated slower. Maybe because it had just been used. So it took longer to come to the stretching temp. As a result the noog cup threads deformed because they were just below the stretching temp for like 10 minutes. where the valve screws in is deformed and I had to glue the valve in to make it seal. 

I then stretched the Evebra cups using the same procedure and they stretched when the surface temp of the cups reached about 250F. So if i stretch cups again. I will set the oven temp to 250F, let it stabilize and then put the cup in to let the cup come to temp, measure the cup temp, pull and stretch. 250F may be a bit low. more experimentation is needed!

When you stretch a cup the axis you are not stretching gets smaller. so when i made my Evebra cups wider they got a little shorter top to bottom. To prevent this i was considering putting a block of wood top bottom to hold em at a height, but didn’t get that far yet. That may require a higher temp though which increases deformity risk. I may try this for science on my new ebay round cups that i cant use till i figure out how to mold skirts from silicone. 

Now I’m using stretched Evebra cups for my width and have dropped my vac pressure to the recommended -20mm/Hg. i think this avoids the cup pressing hard down into the skirt and cutting off pressure outside the cup. This way the skirts spread wide and spread the vac effect wide too on my wider and taller boobs. We’ll see. If i could make a wider taller cup and wider taller skirts I would totally use em, but i don’t know if i am THAT crafty.