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My experiences with Brava after 18 days
January 19 2007 at 4:13 AM Mindy Lou (Login MindyLou)
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Hi, I am new to this forum but have found it very useful. I appreciate learning from all those who have experienced Brava or tried other methods. Being flat chested is not an easy thing, so it is good to be able to hear about other women's experiences are and find out what works and what does not.
I have been self conscious about being flat chested all my life, beginning in junior high when we showered after gym class and it became very obvious that I was not developing like other girls. The boys in my class used to tease me to put lotion on those "mosquito bites". I still have painful memories of those days. Going to the swimming pool or picking out a bathing suit was torture. I could never fill out the tops.
I've worn a "highly padded" bra for most of my life to hide my flat as a board chest. Finally I decided to try Brava. I'll try to post my experiences here in order to help others who follow.
My stats:
Height: 5'5" tall
Weight: 125 lbs.
my scale says my percent fat is 25%. so I'm not super skinny or slender
rather pear shaped, probably a size 6 on bottom, but size 4 on top.
Age: 40
Bra size: 34 A - maybe 34 AA.
Age: 40
One child -- went up to a full 34 A or small 34 B when I was pregnant, but it didn't last.
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I'm 18 days into wearing Brava. I have medium wide domes, and the smart box. I purchased this directly from Brava.
The first two weeks I averaged roughly 11-12 hrs a day. Unfortunately, since I did not go through a doctor, Brava did not activate my charts and all my uploads were lost. I was pretty bummed about that. I called them several times in the morning as I was trying to leave for work, but they were not there at 9 am EST when they said they would be. I left a message and also wrote an email but got no response. Finally a week later, I got a hold of someone (and was late to work in the process) and they set it so the wear pattern and pressure graphs work. Nevertheless I lost the data I previously uploaded and was pretty disapointed - particularly as their customer service never really responded to my first two inquiries. That would have been an easy thing for them to do and turn on. Of course I am not going to have dr.s measurements as I had purchased it directly from Brava.
The first few days were awful. I could not sleep well on my back and my back would cramp a bit. The domes kept coming loose because I would sweat at night as I like to sleep with a lot of covers.
But I learned to adapt. Now I can sleep on my back with no problem. I use pillows under my head and arms and sometimes under my knees or upper legs.
Even though I get cold easily, I used to load up on the covers and then later would get too warm (sweat). Now I just use a lighter cover and only use the comforter to cover my lower half (my feet get really cold). This keeps me from sweating as much and loosening the seal.
I've figured out that the skin preps are a must. If you wipe down with those things you get a much better seal and less chafing. I do have a reddish rash down the middle where the two domes lay side by side but tried hydrocortizone cream as suggested by one of the posts and that does seem to be helping.
Also I clean the domes religiously each morning with quite a bit of the Brava green spray and my domes are looking pretty good and quite tacky.
On the manual air lock, it took me a while to figure out what the posts were saying but I did buy a few for $1.95 at Walmart. Not really sure how I can use them because of how the tube ends work....but I do start out by sucking the air out of the tubes / dome with my mouth and that usually creates better suction to start. Sometimes when I do that my smart box doesn't even start pumping until later in the evening.
I figure if my smart box ever breaks and I get in a bind until I get a new one that I could use this manual method to get by and avoid missing days.
What about growth?:
I think so. My breasts definitely feel fuller in my bra now even at the end of a work day. The longer I wear Brava, the more it seems to work, so now I am pretty motivated to keep it on and try to prioritize my schedule towards it.
This week I was able to keep it on one day for 18 hrs and another day for 22...I definitely noticed more progress after those days (retention).
The effects of Brava dont' seem to be ratable. The rep told me that every minute over and above the 10 hours really matters. Each minute over the 10 hour point seems to add more than any minutes under the 10 hour mark. After 10 hours it appears the breast has been extended for a period and the cell memory really starts getting affected. From my own personal wear pattern, this theory seems to be true. (However, I have only worn it 3 weeks and I don't know for sure that I have permanent growth).
I don't think Brava is easy. Its a lot like dieting...it takes will power, ambition and perseverance. I don't know for sure whether it will work, but so far I am happy with the extra fullness I am seeing. I hope it will last. I'm willing to wear Brava more than 10 weeks. Winter is the best time to be cooped up in doors wearing Brava, so I'm glad I'm starting now.
I'd appreciate hearing from other Brava users out there. I hope you'll share your experiences and progress too. Eventually when I can, I'll try to post pictures.
Best of Luck to all of you!
Mindy Lou
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hi! January 19 2007, 4:49 AM
glad you are doing well so far. tomorrow night is my last night of my fourth week. right now i think is when i an definitely seeing my breasts retain alot of the swelling. normally i am a 34a but now i wear a 34b all day. completely overfill it in the morning. should really get a c cup. but i can still decently wear a 34b at the end of the day. good luck to you. i an usually around. i think there are a handful of us around the same wear time frame. it will be nice to give our results.
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Ann
(no login) Re: My experiences with Brava after 18 days January 19 2007, 11:37 PM
Hi Girls! I have been reading posts on this forum for a couple of weeks and wish I knew about it a long time ago since I had been thinking of getting Brava for years and it would have been nice to have read others experiences before getting it.
I am just finishing my 9th week and I remain hopefully optimistic. I started wearing Brava as a very small B and even smaller in one breast. When taking brava off in the mornings I am usually a very full D cup and end the day as a C or very full C. So I am hoping when I finish wearing brava I will remain at least a C cup.
I too am glad that I am wearing this thing at this time of year, during the summer would have been too hard to get the wear time in, I am out too much and too late to get the 10 hour min. in.
I think I average about 12 1/2 hours wear time aday and I wish it could be more because I really want boobs!
I look forward to talking to and sharing experiences with all of you here. I think that only someone that uses this system can really understand and offer advice and encouragement to us.
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Mindy Lou
(Login MindyLou) great to hear from you and a question January 20 2007, 3:16 AM
Thanks Diana and Ann for responding! It is so cool to have someone else to talk to about Brava. It sounds like you both are making good progress. Glad to hear that and keep us posted.
I have a question for you, Ann. At the end of your session, when you take Brava off, you mentioned you are a very full D cup and by the end of the day still are holding in as a C cup. (you lucky girl!) However, you are quite a ways along in that you are at 9 weeks -- almost near the 10 week milestone. Gosh, I hope I have progress like yours!
My question is this: After your first few weeks, were you a full D cup when you finished your daily session?
I note the Brava website says at approximately week 5, when you finish a session, that the size you see is the finishing size , but you must wear it another 5 weeks to make it last and really acheive that growth. (Of course that is all predicated on 10 hour days minimum and they obviously recommend far more than 10 hour days and most typically need more than 10 weeks.)
I'm just curious as to when you started to see your max size and how long that took. How long did it take to reach the size you are seeing now?
Also, how long do you both think you will plan on wearing Brava?
-- 10 weeks
-- until you are the size you want
-- until you can't stand it any more :>)
I'm hoping to go until about May. (I think I'll need more than 10 weeks). I started on Jan 1.
Best Wishes!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER ooo good questions! January 20 2007, 6:03 AM
That is exactly what i would like to know. and did you out grow your domes? mine are almost filling the wide large, well my nipples are imaging their way towards wanting to touch the inside. i try to position them better. any suggestions? and i guess i plan on wearing them for another 12 wks. i started on dec 23rd. my early xmas present from my hubby! so today makes 4 wks. wow. its flown by! (thank god.) it is nice to have people on here actually wearing it and giving support. good luck, all.
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Ann
(no login) Re: My experiences with Brava after 18 days January 21 2007, 8:54 PM
I just want to tell you that I am glad to be able to talk to someone who is going through this at the same time as me. My friend is impressed with my results and wants to use my system when I am through so I talk to her but she has no clue what I am REALLY going through.
Ok I didn't start seeing the full D until about week 6 or 7 and then only when I wore Brava for more hours than I normally do. Most days I was a large C or small D. I am wearing a 36D bra to try to keep the swelling as much as possible, but when I want to wear a bra that fits I put on a 36C and fill it up very nicely through the day. I am getting the 36 now so they will fit loosely. I originally wore a 34B and when I finish with Brava i will go back to that band size and figure out cup size then.
They say that you are half way through your treatment when you are the size you want to be when you put Brava back on in the evenings. I am just now seeing that now with the size C when I put it back on in the evenings. So I guess I am going to wear it until I can't stand it anymore or the outside world makes me quit wearing it because of having a life.
I wear the wide large domes also and I do fill them up completely especially when I get to wear they for more than my ususal hours. I have the extra lg domes and I guess I really need to go to them.
Now let's keep up the good work!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hi January 21 2007, 9:04 PM
i posted my pics yesterday of what i look like before i put the domes on again, after my initial morning swelling has gone down. i am thinking i need to wear it at least 8 more wks, For a total of 12 wks. at least. if i foot outgrow the domes first.i think i might have to stop sooner than that tho at the rate of my swelling. let's keep it up!
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Lila
(no login) To Mindy January 24 2007, 4:57 AM
Hi Mindy,
Glad to see you got positive results. May I know whether you are an Asian? I am an Asian and I have been heard that Brava does not work so well on Asian as on other races due to the body nature (more densed tissue).
I am also age 40 and not thin (5'2" and 122 lb), but I got very little (or no) growth after wearing Brava about 10 weeks. I started in Nov 06, but have missed many days in between for Thanksgiving and X'mas break when we had vacation somewhere else, such as friends' home (impossible to wear them!!). I wore for average of 11 hours daily for 4 weeks, but getting less and less hours due to the disappointment and fatigue. I was 34 AAA, and might be 34 AA now... in fact, it is hard to tell at all...
Thank you for your responding.
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Mindy Lou
(Login MindyLou) Mid western US girl January 24 2007, 5:38 AM
Hello Lila -
I am happy to answer your question. I am from the mid-western part of the U.S. and am caucasian. From what I can tell, my family origins are northern and eastern europe. I have fairly fair skin, and blue eyes with hair that takes on a bit of a honey blonde or reddish hue.
I'm sticking with the Brava, and trying to be very disciplined about wearing it every single day (although today I will likely only get 7-8 hours)...to date I am averaging about 11-12 hours.
I do think Brava is making my breast a bit fuller, but after almost nearly 3.5 weeks, I am somewhat disappointed that I am not bigger at the end of the day, when I've gone a whole work day without them. This said, it is clear that this takes time. For example, if it adds fullness at the rate of a drop a day, it is going to make many days before those drops add to much
I'm sorry that Brava hasn't worked out so well for you so far. Good luck to you and take care. Let us know if anything has changed in your progress or you get any insight as to what works or doesn't work for you. Best wishes.
Mindy Lou
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Nicole
(no login) Lila January 24 2007, 5:50 AM
Hi Lila
I am an Asian myself, I do feel that Brava might be less effective on Asian woman than other races. However i think the most important factor is still your wearing pattern, the longer you wear the system, the better the result will be. Most people here wore the system for over 20 weeks and seldom(if not never) miss a day and still have very modest gain. If you have only worn your system for 4 weeks consecutively, you obviously have not given it enough time to allow it to work. Missing a day could set you back 4 days, missing a few days or even weeks might just set you back to square one.
I do hope to see more ladies here with good results, as we all know the Brava journey is definitly not an easy one and we all derserve some gain!!
I pray that all of our bosom buddies here who'd sufferred with Brava long enough will get some satisfatory growth at the end. Amen!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hey girls. January 24 2007, 6:52 PM
I remember talking to the brava coach and asked her which one did i think would be the ideal situation for best results, longer hrs or more wks? she said more wks. and that anything more than the 12 or so hrs a night would only cause more sensitivity to your skin.i think that was a load of baloney.i think you need to do more hrs and more than just ten wks.i am a couple of days away From my 5wk halfway point and while i do think i have a cups worth of swelling at the end of the day.i'm not done
Lila
(no login) Thanks January 25 2007, 7:34 AM
Hello Mindy and Nicole,
Thank you both so much for encourgement and caring. I am still wearing them, and will try to put more hours daily. I am so glad to see we have formed a group of mutual supporting. I do need some motivation to continue on... I will keep watching your posting...
Thanks!
January 19 2007 at 4:13 AM Mindy Lou (Login MindyLou)
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Hi, I am new to this forum but have found it very useful. I appreciate learning from all those who have experienced Brava or tried other methods. Being flat chested is not an easy thing, so it is good to be able to hear about other women's experiences are and find out what works and what does not.
I have been self conscious about being flat chested all my life, beginning in junior high when we showered after gym class and it became very obvious that I was not developing like other girls. The boys in my class used to tease me to put lotion on those "mosquito bites". I still have painful memories of those days. Going to the swimming pool or picking out a bathing suit was torture. I could never fill out the tops.
I've worn a "highly padded" bra for most of my life to hide my flat as a board chest. Finally I decided to try Brava. I'll try to post my experiences here in order to help others who follow.
My stats:
Height: 5'5" tall
Weight: 125 lbs.
my scale says my percent fat is 25%. so I'm not super skinny or slender
rather pear shaped, probably a size 6 on bottom, but size 4 on top.
Age: 40
Bra size: 34 A - maybe 34 AA.
Age: 40
One child -- went up to a full 34 A or small 34 B when I was pregnant, but it didn't last.
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I'm 18 days into wearing Brava. I have medium wide domes, and the smart box. I purchased this directly from Brava.
The first two weeks I averaged roughly 11-12 hrs a day. Unfortunately, since I did not go through a doctor, Brava did not activate my charts and all my uploads were lost. I was pretty bummed about that. I called them several times in the morning as I was trying to leave for work, but they were not there at 9 am EST when they said they would be. I left a message and also wrote an email but got no response. Finally a week later, I got a hold of someone (and was late to work in the process) and they set it so the wear pattern and pressure graphs work. Nevertheless I lost the data I previously uploaded and was pretty disapointed - particularly as their customer service never really responded to my first two inquiries. That would have been an easy thing for them to do and turn on. Of course I am not going to have dr.s measurements as I had purchased it directly from Brava.
The first few days were awful. I could not sleep well on my back and my back would cramp a bit. The domes kept coming loose because I would sweat at night as I like to sleep with a lot of covers.
But I learned to adapt. Now I can sleep on my back with no problem. I use pillows under my head and arms and sometimes under my knees or upper legs.
Even though I get cold easily, I used to load up on the covers and then later would get too warm (sweat). Now I just use a lighter cover and only use the comforter to cover my lower half (my feet get really cold). This keeps me from sweating as much and loosening the seal.
I've figured out that the skin preps are a must. If you wipe down with those things you get a much better seal and less chafing. I do have a reddish rash down the middle where the two domes lay side by side but tried hydrocortizone cream as suggested by one of the posts and that does seem to be helping.
Also I clean the domes religiously each morning with quite a bit of the Brava green spray and my domes are looking pretty good and quite tacky.
On the manual air lock, it took me a while to figure out what the posts were saying but I did buy a few for $1.95 at Walmart. Not really sure how I can use them because of how the tube ends work....but I do start out by sucking the air out of the tubes / dome with my mouth and that usually creates better suction to start. Sometimes when I do that my smart box doesn't even start pumping until later in the evening.
I figure if my smart box ever breaks and I get in a bind until I get a new one that I could use this manual method to get by and avoid missing days.
What about growth?:
I think so. My breasts definitely feel fuller in my bra now even at the end of a work day. The longer I wear Brava, the more it seems to work, so now I am pretty motivated to keep it on and try to prioritize my schedule towards it.
This week I was able to keep it on one day for 18 hrs and another day for 22...I definitely noticed more progress after those days (retention).
The effects of Brava dont' seem to be ratable. The rep told me that every minute over and above the 10 hours really matters. Each minute over the 10 hour point seems to add more than any minutes under the 10 hour mark. After 10 hours it appears the breast has been extended for a period and the cell memory really starts getting affected. From my own personal wear pattern, this theory seems to be true. (However, I have only worn it 3 weeks and I don't know for sure that I have permanent growth).
I don't think Brava is easy. Its a lot like dieting...it takes will power, ambition and perseverance. I don't know for sure whether it will work, but so far I am happy with the extra fullness I am seeing. I hope it will last. I'm willing to wear Brava more than 10 weeks. Winter is the best time to be cooped up in doors wearing Brava, so I'm glad I'm starting now.
I'd appreciate hearing from other Brava users out there. I hope you'll share your experiences and progress too. Eventually when I can, I'll try to post pictures.
Best of Luck to all of you!
Mindy Lou
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hi! January 19 2007, 4:49 AM
glad you are doing well so far. tomorrow night is my last night of my fourth week. right now i think is when i an definitely seeing my breasts retain alot of the swelling. normally i am a 34a but now i wear a 34b all day. completely overfill it in the morning. should really get a c cup. but i can still decently wear a 34b at the end of the day. good luck to you. i an usually around. i think there are a handful of us around the same wear time frame. it will be nice to give our results.
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Ann
(no login) Re: My experiences with Brava after 18 days January 19 2007, 11:37 PM
Hi Girls! I have been reading posts on this forum for a couple of weeks and wish I knew about it a long time ago since I had been thinking of getting Brava for years and it would have been nice to have read others experiences before getting it.
I am just finishing my 9th week and I remain hopefully optimistic. I started wearing Brava as a very small B and even smaller in one breast. When taking brava off in the mornings I am usually a very full D cup and end the day as a C or very full C. So I am hoping when I finish wearing brava I will remain at least a C cup.
I too am glad that I am wearing this thing at this time of year, during the summer would have been too hard to get the wear time in, I am out too much and too late to get the 10 hour min. in.
I think I average about 12 1/2 hours wear time aday and I wish it could be more because I really want boobs!
I look forward to talking to and sharing experiences with all of you here. I think that only someone that uses this system can really understand and offer advice and encouragement to us.
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Mindy Lou
(Login MindyLou) great to hear from you and a question January 20 2007, 3:16 AM
Thanks Diana and Ann for responding! It is so cool to have someone else to talk to about Brava. It sounds like you both are making good progress. Glad to hear that and keep us posted.
I have a question for you, Ann. At the end of your session, when you take Brava off, you mentioned you are a very full D cup and by the end of the day still are holding in as a C cup. (you lucky girl!) However, you are quite a ways along in that you are at 9 weeks -- almost near the 10 week milestone. Gosh, I hope I have progress like yours!
My question is this: After your first few weeks, were you a full D cup when you finished your daily session?
I note the Brava website says at approximately week 5, when you finish a session, that the size you see is the finishing size , but you must wear it another 5 weeks to make it last and really acheive that growth. (Of course that is all predicated on 10 hour days minimum and they obviously recommend far more than 10 hour days and most typically need more than 10 weeks.)
I'm just curious as to when you started to see your max size and how long that took. How long did it take to reach the size you are seeing now?
Also, how long do you both think you will plan on wearing Brava?
-- 10 weeks
-- until you are the size you want
-- until you can't stand it any more :>)
I'm hoping to go until about May. (I think I'll need more than 10 weeks). I started on Jan 1.
Best Wishes!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER ooo good questions! January 20 2007, 6:03 AM
That is exactly what i would like to know. and did you out grow your domes? mine are almost filling the wide large, well my nipples are imaging their way towards wanting to touch the inside. i try to position them better. any suggestions? and i guess i plan on wearing them for another 12 wks. i started on dec 23rd. my early xmas present from my hubby! so today makes 4 wks. wow. its flown by! (thank god.) it is nice to have people on here actually wearing it and giving support. good luck, all.
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Ann
(no login) Re: My experiences with Brava after 18 days January 21 2007, 8:54 PM
I just want to tell you that I am glad to be able to talk to someone who is going through this at the same time as me. My friend is impressed with my results and wants to use my system when I am through so I talk to her but she has no clue what I am REALLY going through.
Ok I didn't start seeing the full D until about week 6 or 7 and then only when I wore Brava for more hours than I normally do. Most days I was a large C or small D. I am wearing a 36D bra to try to keep the swelling as much as possible, but when I want to wear a bra that fits I put on a 36C and fill it up very nicely through the day. I am getting the 36 now so they will fit loosely. I originally wore a 34B and when I finish with Brava i will go back to that band size and figure out cup size then.
They say that you are half way through your treatment when you are the size you want to be when you put Brava back on in the evenings. I am just now seeing that now with the size C when I put it back on in the evenings. So I guess I am going to wear it until I can't stand it anymore or the outside world makes me quit wearing it because of having a life.
I wear the wide large domes also and I do fill them up completely especially when I get to wear they for more than my ususal hours. I have the extra lg domes and I guess I really need to go to them.
Now let's keep up the good work!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hi January 21 2007, 9:04 PM
i posted my pics yesterday of what i look like before i put the domes on again, after my initial morning swelling has gone down. i am thinking i need to wear it at least 8 more wks, For a total of 12 wks. at least. if i foot outgrow the domes first.i think i might have to stop sooner than that tho at the rate of my swelling. let's keep it up!
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Lila
(no login) To Mindy January 24 2007, 4:57 AM
Hi Mindy,
Glad to see you got positive results. May I know whether you are an Asian? I am an Asian and I have been heard that Brava does not work so well on Asian as on other races due to the body nature (more densed tissue).
I am also age 40 and not thin (5'2" and 122 lb), but I got very little (or no) growth after wearing Brava about 10 weeks. I started in Nov 06, but have missed many days in between for Thanksgiving and X'mas break when we had vacation somewhere else, such as friends' home (impossible to wear them!!). I wore for average of 11 hours daily for 4 weeks, but getting less and less hours due to the disappointment and fatigue. I was 34 AAA, and might be 34 AA now... in fact, it is hard to tell at all...
Thank you for your responding.
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Mindy Lou
(Login MindyLou) Mid western US girl January 24 2007, 5:38 AM
Hello Lila -
I am happy to answer your question. I am from the mid-western part of the U.S. and am caucasian. From what I can tell, my family origins are northern and eastern europe. I have fairly fair skin, and blue eyes with hair that takes on a bit of a honey blonde or reddish hue.
I'm sticking with the Brava, and trying to be very disciplined about wearing it every single day (although today I will likely only get 7-8 hours)...to date I am averaging about 11-12 hours.
I do think Brava is making my breast a bit fuller, but after almost nearly 3.5 weeks, I am somewhat disappointed that I am not bigger at the end of the day, when I've gone a whole work day without them. This said, it is clear that this takes time. For example, if it adds fullness at the rate of a drop a day, it is going to make many days before those drops add to much
I'm sorry that Brava hasn't worked out so well for you so far. Good luck to you and take care. Let us know if anything has changed in your progress or you get any insight as to what works or doesn't work for you. Best wishes.
Mindy Lou
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Nicole
(no login) Lila January 24 2007, 5:50 AM
Hi Lila
I am an Asian myself, I do feel that Brava might be less effective on Asian woman than other races. However i think the most important factor is still your wearing pattern, the longer you wear the system, the better the result will be. Most people here wore the system for over 20 weeks and seldom(if not never) miss a day and still have very modest gain. If you have only worn your system for 4 weeks consecutively, you obviously have not given it enough time to allow it to work. Missing a day could set you back 4 days, missing a few days or even weeks might just set you back to square one.
I do hope to see more ladies here with good results, as we all know the Brava journey is definitly not an easy one and we all derserve some gain!!
I pray that all of our bosom buddies here who'd sufferred with Brava long enough will get some satisfatory growth at the end. Amen!
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diana
(Login Diana1978)
SENIOR MEMBER hey girls. January 24 2007, 6:52 PM
I remember talking to the brava coach and asked her which one did i think would be the ideal situation for best results, longer hrs or more wks? she said more wks. and that anything more than the 12 or so hrs a night would only cause more sensitivity to your skin.i think that was a load of baloney.i think you need to do more hrs and more than just ten wks.i am a couple of days away From my 5wk halfway point and while i do think i have a cups worth of swelling at the end of the day.i'm not done
Lila
(no login) Thanks January 25 2007, 7:34 AM
Hello Mindy and Nicole,
Thank you both so much for encourgement and caring. I am still wearing them, and will try to put more hours daily. I am so glad to see we have formed a group of mutual supporting. I do need some motivation to continue on... I will keep watching your posting...
Thanks!