Very interesting thread! I remember when some women (the youngest was mid/late 30's) found that hops made them weepy so they dropped it from all consideration. It has been that way until Eve used it successfully with no weepiness.
High on estrogen, seems to me to be more correctly stated as high unopposed estrogen. The actual answer would then be high on estrogen compared to testosterone, progesterone, growth hormone, etc. - all the hormones that make one feel good/energetic, even aggressive.
For someone in their early 20's with a medium BMI, BO might not be a problem. But for someone in their 60's where estrogen is already high, BMI could be low, or high and creating its own estrogen locally, progesterone is very low, testosterone is very low, growth hormone is very low, see my point? If the hormones that make one feel good are already low, and estrogen is already high but you are used to it, then adding more could easily have this effect - I would say that since this is a normal effect of NBE, and puberty in cases of women who grew during puberty, that it is completely expected and should be seen as a good sign as long as it doesn't get out of hand.
Has anyone considered ramping BO from a small dosage and maintaining emotional control that way? Or perhaps also using progesterone cream, resistance exercise, and especially DHEA to counter the weepy symptoms? For women who experience this, it may be that these things need to be added, depending again on stats. No need to supplement testosterone unless it is likely to be low, for example. Growth hormone should be part of all NBE programs.
Maybe a new rule for the board, for those using BO, under certain physical or emotional circumstances, to ramp up their dosage towards the target dosage to see if this is going to be a problem and then supplement to fix the symptom rather than throwing out what works. I agree with Anastasia here. Why throw the baby out with the bath water. What physical/emotional characteristics do all those with this problem with BO share? In the future, what worked for others? Why did others not get these problems, yet grew - what physical characteristics do they all share?
For those like universallove, who may have a predisposition to suicide or true clinical depression, definitely avoid BO, not because it affects depression but because it could simulate it.
And yes, if BB and UB say there are no side effects, they are way off base. But on the other hand, one cannot blame them completely because it takes an imbalance to begin with in order to cause the problems outlined in this thread.
Wahaika
High on estrogen, seems to me to be more correctly stated as high unopposed estrogen. The actual answer would then be high on estrogen compared to testosterone, progesterone, growth hormone, etc. - all the hormones that make one feel good/energetic, even aggressive.
For someone in their early 20's with a medium BMI, BO might not be a problem. But for someone in their 60's where estrogen is already high, BMI could be low, or high and creating its own estrogen locally, progesterone is very low, testosterone is very low, growth hormone is very low, see my point? If the hormones that make one feel good are already low, and estrogen is already high but you are used to it, then adding more could easily have this effect - I would say that since this is a normal effect of NBE, and puberty in cases of women who grew during puberty, that it is completely expected and should be seen as a good sign as long as it doesn't get out of hand.
Has anyone considered ramping BO from a small dosage and maintaining emotional control that way? Or perhaps also using progesterone cream, resistance exercise, and especially DHEA to counter the weepy symptoms? For women who experience this, it may be that these things need to be added, depending again on stats. No need to supplement testosterone unless it is likely to be low, for example. Growth hormone should be part of all NBE programs.
Maybe a new rule for the board, for those using BO, under certain physical or emotional circumstances, to ramp up their dosage towards the target dosage to see if this is going to be a problem and then supplement to fix the symptom rather than throwing out what works. I agree with Anastasia here. Why throw the baby out with the bath water. What physical/emotional characteristics do all those with this problem with BO share? In the future, what worked for others? Why did others not get these problems, yet grew - what physical characteristics do they all share?
For those like universallove, who may have a predisposition to suicide or true clinical depression, definitely avoid BO, not because it affects depression but because it could simulate it.
And yes, if BB and UB say there are no side effects, they are way off base. But on the other hand, one cannot blame them completely because it takes an imbalance to begin with in order to cause the problems outlined in this thread.
Wahaika
