[beachbumbythesea]

Thank you Melissa,

You are right: on BO/NB, you can just follow Prettymama's program. Have you come to a conclusion on PM yet since starting this thread?
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=9653&pid=34286#pid34286

And woww Susan,

looks like your program is really going well

Goodmorning Isabelle,
Yes so far it is going good but the I am only holding at 32 not at the 32 -33 in mark but then again they maybe getting fuller elsewhere that the tape doesnt catch..I it is normal to flexuate sp? maybe PM does that I have read that some have gotten big swelling like I did and then it would go back to normal and then out of the blue back up and stays there around this time..I hope it does with me cause isnt this the time for they should be swollen to say that this is growth..I am worried about that it didnt stay but if I worry then it is stress and then nothing will happen anyway..my nauseous feeling is better..I feel pretty even in balance feeling no headaches

Your man may need patience. You have become one hungry woman on maca

Well I always have a high libido even before NBE..but my man makes it more so and yes maca too.. I have been noticing that the top of my booty I am getting pain (not bad pain like growing pain) oh in that thread when I was talking about my crack of my booty area I fogot to mention the important part of the whole point..it was getting itchy and tingling feeling that I wrote yes I did shower and not sweaty it was nice and clean there so it wasnt nastiness ..that would be gross..so I much be growing up and out to the sides or just up and out like a bubble..lol Oh as for my man he can keep up..hehe He is very busy working alot of hours so probably will not see him til close to the weekend..man he is working so much..I wish he would have me over sooner so I can cook for him and he can rest and eat right..I have a feeling he isnt eating right..just a gut feeling..oh and give him his massages ..I miss that alot too..between both jobs he is mentally and physically exhausted I can hear it in his voice..one job is very physical outside work.

The movie is Sehnsucht, a really weird arthouse tragi-comedy:
http://www.pupkin.com/productie.php?contentID=48&PHPSESSID=da7e3449f70b8faf9b0e544407b8a0fc
The glasses and pimples are not hers. Her character is un-Hollywood anti-glamorous.

It is amazing what they can do with make up..they look real..she has really nice skin..Isabelle is your picture of the avatar of you.. reason I am asking..

[Isabelle]

Hi Melissa,

I think Ginie used PC on and off with BO. Don't remember if it worked well. I would normally drink fennel tea, but I don't know if anyone tried that with BO.

Hi Susan,

This is the part of the cycle for real growth, yes. Maybe the FG causes a little swelling. It won't be much, since you're not taking much FG.

Cooking may be a good idea: men eat worse under stress

The lighting on my daughter's face was also from the side: they really wanted her to look like the poor kid she plays in the movie.

The avatar is me, yes, a party pic from 2004 or so. I put a link to a video in your program thread too.

[Isabelle]

I read a Dutch TG forum
www.travestie.org
today about this publication
http://www.eje-online.org/content/164/4/635.abstract
which I referred to before in this thread:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=9076&pid=31822#pid31822

The research was pre-published a year ago in a Dutch newspaper. At that time, the first author, dr. Henk Asscheman, said he linked some of the problems post ops have to ethinylestradiol, a medication they no longer use for transition. One of the issues, a higher risk for cardiovascular disease, is a warning in the safety documentation of ethinylestradiol today.

I do know it's still in bcp. Come to think of it, I saw it on the box of my elder daughter's bcp a while ago. More research to do. She's 18, so she's supposed to decide for herself, but the more I learn, the more I feel responsible for other people's health

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Melissa,

I think Ginie used PC on and off with BO. Don't remember if it worked well. I would normally drink fennel tea, but I don't know if anyone tried that with BO.

Hi Susan,

This is the part of the cycle for real growth, yes. Maybe the FG causes a little swelling. It won't be much, since you're not taking much FG.

Hi Isabelle, sorry for getting back late..

I may skip FG today and stay with the chart schedule dont want to mess anything up only took it yesterday and day before and as for maca not sure with that either.. I did take one only so far.. overall feeling ok other then on and off nausea still and getting pains here and there check what i wrote in that new link if you havent I explain it more there. Dont have much energy but not fatiqued..so maybe another maca..

Cooking may be a good idea: men eat worse under stress

The lighting on my daughter's face was also from the side: they really wanted her to look like the poor kid she plays in the movie.

The avatar is me, yes, a party pic from 2004 or so. I put a link to a video in your program thread too.

Well sent my man a naugty message hope it will be soon to see him. anywho.. you are very pretty.. nice bone structure.. oh as for the picture of her they did do a good job with the skin thing but I can see without the makeup I can tell she has nice skin maybe others dont see that but I could tell..

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

I've been thinking about nausea since you started the thread about it. Actually since you wrote you feel like you're pregnant. Are you really sure you're not?

In pregnancy, nausea is caused by increased estrogen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_sickness
Yet nausea is not on lists of symptoms of excess estrogen. Everybody with a working NBE program has high estrogen here. Yet I read very little about nausea.

So I don't understand

Why you, and not the others? What's the link with pregnancy?

[beachbumbythesea]

Hello again Isa,

Yes that is why I wrote that thread cause I havent heard anyone else with nausea either.. at night it gets better then after eating it starts again and morning it is some times already there or after eating.. today I made eggs for protein and to see if it was the cereal I have been eating every morning well nope.. feel alittle nauseous eating then got tired then felt more nauseous.. after after a short nap felt like having milk so I had some ice cream well nauseous again.. even at times having coffee or a cig.. just about anything.. maybe I am not prego (it would great if I was prego) but my body thinks I am..could that be.. that is way I havent been on here only in little segments (I keep the site up but not on the computer)..if this continues for another 2 weeks or so then I will get a prego test done.. I dont have much of an appetitte and just to keep something healthy in me I make my protein shakes from scratch not the powder stuff.. I have been wanting milk more often not saying it doesnt make me feel nauseous.. dunno I am in the peak of my cycle of estrogen rising but this started almost 3 weeks ago..I will keep tabs on what foods do help if any..

[Isabelle]

Good morning Susan,

It could be something with your stomach. Gastrointestinal disease is the other big cause of nausea. Try a cup of coffee that's not as strong as usual. If that helps, it could be your stomach. Milk is usually a bad idea for ulcers too.

Your body may think you are pregnant, yes. And then it's my fault, because you have been on 2 PM through your period. Now I'm afraid going to 3 PM on day 9 will make it worse

[beachbumbythesea]

Good morning Susan,

It could be something with your stomach. Gastrointestinal disease is the other big cause of nausea. Try a cup of coffee that's not as strong as usual. If that helps, it could be your stomach. Milk is usually a bad idea for ulcers too.

Your body may think you are pregnant, yes. And then it's my fault, because you have been on 2 PM through your period. Now I'm afraid going to 3 PM on day 9 will make it worse

Good Morning Isabelle,

No it isnt that kind of stomach pain.. the pain in my stomach is constant it is more like the time of the month pain but that is better.. I am feeling better so far but I just woke up Actully my gut is telling to take 3 PM's today ..yesterday I took 2 maca and 1 FG, I took one of the maca's with FG at the same time it gave a slight headache then went away..I am not a wake yet and need coffee cant focus to give more details of yesterday..

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

I hope 3 PM works out. It's interesting that maca + FG gave a headache, but it went away quickly. I still believe you can achieve a lot by timing them right.

82 kg this morning. That was my winter weight a few years ago. I aim for my summer weight, 79 kg (174 lbs), by end September. Early October is the end of my three month ramp up. A healthy weight (18.5 < BMI < 25) is below 79.6 kg.

I just watched two hours of interview with professor Dick Swaab:
http://programma.vpro.nl/zomergasten/arc...Swaab.html

As an extra in my younger daughter's movie, I made € 25. The first € 25 that I'm proud of in my life. I spent it on Dick Swaab's book for the general public, which most of the general public in the Netherlands have read this summer:
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/nederlandse-boek...0080954bbi

He was one of the people who published in 1995 in Nature that TSs' brains are physically different:
A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality
http://tgmeds.org.uk/diffa.html

He got a lot of flak in the late eighties for discovering a difference in brains of gays. They had just come out of a 50 year struggle to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. By 2008, Swaab could quote other research confirming that gays really do have different brains:
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.short
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.full

Using the index of the book, I've read the bits about TSs. Nothing in there about TGs in the narrow sense of the word, but he did make an interesting comment in the interview. He said the research focuses on extremes: women and men. Exposure to hormones and other chemicals in the uterus determine if one is shot into life in one direction or the other. But you can also be shot "somewhere in the middle".

I know my interest in NBE predates my choice of a profession. I listened carefully to my mother telling me about herbs with hormonal effects. Shortly after their start up in 1973, this company's folder was in the mail. The ad about their hops-placenta cream B-form really caught my eye:
http://www.svensson-europe.com/epages/62...ducts/BOBF

I was 12. I'm really curious about the rest of Dick Swaab's book. Does he mean to tell me my brain was hard coded for NBE three months before I was born?

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Susan,

I hope 3 PM works out. It's interesting that maca + FG gave a headache, but it went away quickly. I still believe you can achieve a lot by timing them right.

Hi Isabelle,

Been busy this morning.. I think I will take 3 PM starting today..what do you mean timing what right and in what way..what should I take or not take now or just go exactly by your chart..I am feeling better..A little down(more annoyed then down) not sure what to think of my man..dont want to talk about it ..just waiting to see how he is later on today..I may not call him and see if he calls..I think I am annoying him too much..anyway..I always say if the man doesnt want me no more he will loss out on a awesome women...wait til I get my awesome body

82 kg this morning. That was my winter weight a few years ago. I aim for my summer weight, 79 kg (174 lbs), by end September. Early October is the end of my three month ramp up. A healthy weight (18.5 < BMI < 25) is below 79.6 kg.

What do you eat..maybe you can give me some ideas of other food choices I havent even crossed my mind.. Your trying to lose and I am trying to gain..I want to gain good fat (is there such a thing..lol)

I just watched two hours of interview with professor Dick Swaab:
http://programma.vpro.nl/zomergasten/arc...Swaab.html

As an extra in my younger daughter's movie, I made € 25. The first € 25 that I'm proud of in my life. I spent it on Dick Swaab's book for the general public, which most of the general public in the Netherlands have read this summer:
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/nederlandse-boek...0080954bbi

He was one of the people who published in 1995 in Nature that TSs' brains are physically different:
A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality
http://tgmeds.org.uk/diffa.html

He got a lot of flak in the late eighties for discovering a difference in brains of gays. They had just come out of a 50 year struggle to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. By 2008, Swaab could quote other research confirming that gays really do have different brains:
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.short
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.full

Using the index of the book, I've read the bits about TSs. Nothing in there about TGs in the narrow sense of the word, but he did make an interesting comment in the interview. He said the research focuses on extremes: women and men. Exposure to hormones and other chemicals in the uterus determine if one is shot into life in one direction or the other. But you can also be shot "somewhere in the middle".

I havent looked at all the links but I will just want to quick reply back to you cause I am actually hungry.. What is the dif. between TS and TG..

I know my interest in NBE predates my choice of a profession. I listened carefully to my mother telling me about herbs with hormonal effects. Shortly after their start up in 1973, this company's folder was in the mail. The ad about their hops-placenta cream B-form really caught my eye:
http://www.svensson-europe.com/epages/62...ducts/BOBF

I was 12. I'm really curious about the rest of Dick Swaab's book. Does he mean to tell me my brain was hard coded for NBE three months before I was born?

Now this hops-placenta cream B-form sounds interesting can females use it..I checked the link but not sure how to read more about it..