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Yes, it seems the Siriporn is very strong Soonenough. If you are still wanting to try and cycle it throughout the month you can look at my changes to my program that I did today after reading until the wee hours of the morning, but if it is messing with your cycle I would consider next cycle trying the 1-14 on then off and see if that straightens it out.

Thanks Isabelle, I actually hadn't paid attention to the views on the page. LOL, I've been too absorbed in getting this ironed out. I do hope we find a solution for women like myself, nbe is great, but feeling good is even better!

Mel

P.S I updated my pics on my pm picture page today. I think I can see a difference even though the measuring tape doesn't.
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My program with some corrections.

Morning supplements Days 1-7
1/2 PM Siriporn 50 mg
2 multivitamin Women's One Source
1 folic acid prescription 1g
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust cream nickle size


Evening supplements Days 1-7
1 vitamin C Nature Made 1000mg
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust Cream nickle size



Morning Supplements Days 7-12
2 multivitamin
1 PM siriporn 100mg
1 folic acid
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust cream



Evening Supplements Days 7-12
1 vitamin C
1 PM siriporn 100mg
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust Cream



Morning Supplements Days 13-17
2 multivitamin
1 folic acid
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust cream



Evening Supplements Days 13-17
1 vitamin C
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust Cream




Morning supplements Days 18-28
1 PM Siriporn 100 mg
2 multivitamin Women's One Source
1 folic acid prescription 1g
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
Robust cream nickle size




Evening supplements Days 18-28
1 vitamin C Nature Made 1000mg
1 Siriporn 100mg
2 MSM doctor's Best 1.5g each
progesterone cream
Robust Cream nickle size

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Just an observation about pm. Before coming back to nbe, I was on bcp for about 9 months. I originally was put on loestrin. It was supposed to change/stop my cycle dure to unstable bleeding. It wasn't strong enough. I ended up having to be put on a stronger version of it. Most people don't know there is a higher one but it's for special situations, ect. But even it took 3 months to finally stop my periods. Anyway, this is day 32 now of my first cycle on pm, it has already changed my cycle faster than special bcp's did. For me I don't have a problem with that unless it begins to cause other side effects.

Most women only think of menopause as the lack of periods but do not realize that the time period leading up to that point can for some women be irregular profuse bleeding for weeks at a time with no rhyme or reason
I already suspect that in this case pm can be a very fast solution.

My delay was from my first program cycle of on 12 off 16. Once I begin my period I will start my new program.
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So, I finally decided that my bras are just too tight. I feel like I can hardly breath sometimes and last night I laughed while watching tv and popped a seam in the 34 C I had on...

Unless I have time for a day of shopping and a long drive to the mall, my only option close by is the JC Penneys. I dropped by with the plan to get a 34D, but I couldn't find any. (WTH?) either it's not a common size or everyone in this town wears it so they are all gone...lol. Anyway, I grabbed a few to try on in a 36C hoping a sister size would make do for now, but one I liked a lot I grabbed a 36 D in also, just to see how the cup would fit. Well, I walked out with the 36D, but the cup fit better than the 36 C's. The band is a bit looser than I like, BUT gosh it's good to breath again. haha.

Mel
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Pueraria Mirifica Just for Menopause Article Part 1

pueraria Mirifica Just For Menopause Article Part 2

reference 1+ for part 1 and 2+ for part 2

1+ Gordon: It occupies the estrogen receptors more safely. If the estrogen level is high, miroestrol will compete with receptors weakening the effect of the hormones. If the estrogen level is low, miroestrol will exert its estrogenic effect of potentiation.


1+ Passwater: So, the miroestrol in PM acts to balance or moderate estrogen effects, not by altering the amount of estrogen or other hormones in the body, but by miroestrol interacting with the estrogen receptors in tissues to normalize estrogenic effects. It seems to me that this could explain why studies show PM is so helpful for both perimenopausal and menopausal women.

1+ What effect does miroestrol have on natural hormones produced in the body? Gordon: None. The effect is only with the estrogen receptor. Passwater: So, the miroestrol in PM acts to balance or moderate estrogen effects, not by altering the amount of estrogen or other hormones in the body, but by miroestrol interacting with the estrogen receptors in tissues to normalize estrogenic effects. It seems to me that this could explain why studies show PM is so helpful for both perimenopausal and menopausal women.





2+ Gordon: Quite frankly, the only warning would be for women not to take PM before the age of 18. If a menstruating woman takes PM, the recommendation is not to take it during the week of her period. I have never heard of there being any consequence from taking it continuously, but Thai traditional medicine recommends younger women taking one week off. Also, I recommend very few supplements or medicines for pregnant women. There is no need for pregnant women to take PM as they are not menopausal, so I do not recommend PM for pregnant women.

2+ Gordon: 2 mg / kg body weight. For the first month that level can be doubled. So a 150-pound woman would require 136 mg of PM / day, but could take, without any problem, 272 mg (or 3 pills / day). Most women will see relief of symptoms in a week or less. The Phase I and the Phase II trials in Thailand were on Asian women, who are normally smaller than Western women, so the dosages they used were small, compared what Western women might need. A convenient and effective regimen for American women of menopausal age would be to take 80 mg of PM twice a day.

2+ The original breast enhancement study was done in Tokyo by Japanese Prof. Kuramoshi and Thai Assoc. Prof. Yuthana Smitasiri. They showed that 72% of women taking PM exhibited significant increases in breast size. Younger women had a markedly higher rate of success than older women, who lowered the overall success rate. Some years ago, a company in California launched ISIS, a system using real PM. They guaranteed success or your money back and had 96% satisfied customers, not asking for their money back.

2+ Gordon: A company I consult with, Longevity Plus, which produces supplements for professionals, has had very positive feedback regarding combining PM with vitamin B-12 and folic acid. I had recommended that they simply add this exciting PM herb into their proprietary B-12 formula, which alone had reportedly provided excellent support to many women, reducing fatigue, depression and irritability. Adding PM to that formula, we find, acts synergistically so that even the most difficult change of life issues that until now nothing has helped, are responding, often within two-to-four weeks. Therefore, I think PM should be combined with B-12 and folic acid.










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PM has been found to be a very effective bith control in multiple animals, therefore runs the potential of also effecting human reproduction during use.

Pueraria Mirifica used as birth control study 1

PM as birth Control in Pigeons

PM Prevents pregnancy in dogs, but does not effect Libido
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So, I just finished one of the best periods I've had in a long time... I know to many that sounds weird, but considering I've been buried under covers with blankets on the windows due to migraines on and off for about a year, it's an amazing feeling.

I had no emotional symptoms or cramping warning that my period was going to start. I did however develop a migraine the night before. I woke up the next morning though and the headache was gone and my period started. I had some cramping that first day and then nothing. It was like not even being on my period. No cramps, no headaches, no emotional rollercoasters. This was achieved while taking the low dose 50mg of pueraria mirifica each morning to help pull up my estrogen level enough to stop the symptoms.

My period only lasted 5 days.... YES!!! This too makes my day.

So today is day 7 of my cycle and tomorrow I will increase my pm dosage to the 100mg once in the morning and once at night.

My experience of my first full cycle on pm was not an instant fix. I think it takes time for the body to adjust to pm and to gradually begin pulling the hormone levels up. I still had some headaches off and on throughout the cyle, but they were mild and dull and easily ignored compared to my normal headaches. I ended up only having 2 maybe 3 actual migraines, so that is a drastic reduction in them. I still have drops in my estrogen from time to time, so I'm hoping the new changes to my program will help. My first cycle was only taking pm on day 1-12. I ended up with a 32 day cycle with this method. As I said before, I have no problem with my cycle being changed in length so for me I don't consider that to be a bad side effect.

I also increased in fullness according to how my bras fit and look. I had no change across the bust on the measuring tape, but I developed more cleavage and upper chest tissue and my upper breast area went from 37 to 37 1/2, which explains the cleavage increase.

Current measurements after first month on PM

Upper breast 37 1/2
across breast 39 1/2
under breast 30
wieght 139. 4 so no increase, but I'm still working to get a pound or two off... just in time for the holidays so that's not likely..haha



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Congratulations, Mel,

Looks like you got it right from the first cycle. I'm also very happy for you the 50 mg PM during your period worked well. It will take some time before there is a unified approach to cycling on the forum, but all it takes is a few success stories like yours.
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Thanks Isabelle, It's still early to call it success, but I'd say it's looking good so far. Some tweaking here and there as I go and just maybe, I'll manage to get something close to normal again!

Mel
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So yesterday I woke up with my left breast feeling tender. Today I woke ip in such throbbing pain, my breast swollen to twice it's size rock hard across the top and side anx the skin red. What the heck! I haven't even been pumping in the last week...arg. I've been alternating cold and hot packs to get me tbrough until the doc's office opens in the morning. Sigh, the only thing I can gigure is an i.fection in the ducts beneath the nipple since that is the eorst paim snd the hardest area about 4the inches diameter.
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