[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Isabelle and Welcome to you ssag124,

Well Isabelle.. been working on other things in my life..stuff for skin and hair and ordered the WY pills and cream.. had to order a new flat iron so it took some out of the pay.. anyway so far I am still just taking 2 PMs, no maca, and just small amount of FG and GR but I take just a little more FG..I stopped spearmint tea but going to start again even though it is only recommended for 5-6 days durning the TOM 2 cups a day ..I am going to experiment with 1-2 havent had any yesterday or today..not sure if it effects estrogen..thinking it does but thinking probably not much..been tired and having sugar problems but they are getting better..getting better since off the hops..it really through me out of wack..it did put me into a depression and lowered my systems ability to fight infections..but getting better..I will sometimes through turmeric in just one in while if I get achy in the joints..I think my big problem is my supps..working on that..your welcome on the vit a info..tonight I am going to see if taking the FG and GR is effecting my rash ..thinking not cause my rash isnt that bad..I think my liver is just overloaded and I havent been drinking much water for some weird reason I have a sugary taste in my mouth as of now.. I am going to take some L-glutamine tonight too..I havent been sleeping good at all..insomnia..I hope my problem is from not enough progest and the WY may help..but overall I feel ok..just really tired from lack of sleep..when I take the FG and GR as a tea it helps..going to make some now..

@ssag124

Take it slow..take Isabelle advise.. dont be afraid to ask any question even if you think they are stupid..no question is stupid

Sorry but just to tired to type anymore been doing waaaaaaaay to much thinking..oh ssag124 keep it simple or else it will stress you and consume you

May be back later on to update on my teas and mood

[ssag124]

Hi beachbumofthesea!!

Thank you for your advice and for such a warm welcome. You guys are definately right, my rough draft could use some simplifing.

and the PM/maca/ginkgo/fg/GR/hops lineup sounds like a great idea..thanks isabelle!!!

So are you suggesting that I should start with one herb first and then add one herb every two weeks? if so i was thinking to start PM day 1 of my cycle, then maca, then ginkgo, then goats rue, then fenugreek and keep hops for my 2nd part of my cycle.

Im still researching PM as we speak, but from what I did read, im supposed to take pm when my body naturally has increased estrogen and I am supposed to start it on day 1 (which is the first day of my period), increase it on day 6, lower it back down on day 12 so I can ovulate on day 14 and take hops for the second half of my cycle..right?

In regards to muscle, i should probably work out my legs and butt under my NBE program so I could build muscle in those places. In additon, should I wait until after taking PM to start a weight gain regimen?

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

You had the sugary taste before. Does it go away if you use FG or GR?

And ssag124,

Yes, only start one herb every two weeks. For example, start the first cycle on PM the first half and FG the second. Many women tried that combination. The next cycle, add maca with PM and GR with FG. Next cycle, add ginkgo and hops.

You've got it. Start PM on day 1 (which is the first day of your period) at a low dose. Stop if your period stops early. Increase PM on day 6, lower it back down on day 12 so you can ovulate on day 14 and take hops for the second half of the cycle, that's right. But it's no guarantee your cycle will keep running like clockwork. Many women tried it, and although the first one or two cycles are OK, trouble seems to increase. So be ready to back out if you need to.

Don't start a weight gain regimen before the fourth month. This program will make you gain weight once it starts working. See where it takes you.

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Isabelle,

Yes it did help the sugary taste, I had both as a tea put more FG then GR... today I took one 610mg of FG nothing else..no PM until after 3 days and only 1 for about 4 days..while taking FG and GR, when my WY comes I will add that only 1 pill for a few days and also put my WY cream..when should I do the cream just before progest peaks for about 1-2 days..have to research that..I feel really good today..

How are you these days..you have been quite.. Going to do some reading..talk later.. Oh I bough peanut butter with flax added to it.. I also bought teen vits like you recommended along with extra boitin and folic acid..I already had b12..wondering if I should take anything else extra, it has 3mg in each pill:

Here is what they have in one pill a day:

A 2500 IU
C 120 mg
D 800 IU
E 30 IU
K 25 mcg
B1 2.3 mg
B2 2.6
Niacin 30 mg
B6 3 mg
Folic Acid 400 mcg
B12 9 mcg
Boitin 300 mcg
Pantothenic Acid 10 mg
Cal (elemental) 300 mg
Iron 18 mg
Magnesium 50 mg
Zinc 15 mg
Selenium 20 mcg
Copper 2 mg
Maganese 2 mg
Chromium 120 mcg

I just noticed that Iodine, PABA, Choline, inositol arent in these..I believe they are important..like very for me..so I will have to get them separate some how.

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

The multi looks perfect to me. You get enough choline from eggs and iodine from enriched salt and bread. PABA, I don't know.

I don't know who, but somebody tried WY cream before as an alternative for FG. Maybe you can find her posts.

I've been quiet, yes. I was reading everything on wikipedia about baroque, rococo, and neo-classical villas and palaces. 30 Years ago, I was constantly dreaming that I had renovated a house with a wall in a quiet version of these styles facing a terrace garden.

I searched everything, but there is no picture of that wall on the web. I think I'll sit down and make a drawing. You never know when I might have the money

It looks like this:
http://users.telenet.be/gentmijnestad/foto/kouter/ihotelfalligan.jpg
but smaller. Three windows wide and one or two floors tall.

Whenever I think about buildings a lot, it's usually a sign that I will be starting some major construction work on my body, a couple of months later. I don't know what I'll come up with, but if I think about baroque and classical sculpture, I'm pretty sure I won't be losing weight this spring

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Susan,

The multi looks perfect to me. You get enough choline from eggs and iodine from enriched salt and bread. PABA, I don't know.

I don't know who, but somebody tried WY cream before as an alternative for FG. Maybe you can find her posts.

I've been quiet, yes. I was reading everything on wikipedia about baroque, rococo, and neo-classical villas and palaces. 30 Years ago, I was constantly dreaming that I had renovated a house with a wall in a quiet version of these styles facing a terrace garden.

I searched everything, but there is no picture of that wall on the web. I think I'll sit down and make a drawing. You never know when I might have the money

It looks like this:
http://users.telenet.be/gentmijnestad/foto/kouter/ihotelfalligan.jpg
but smaller. Three windows wide and one or two floors tall.

Whenever I think about buildings a lot, it's usually a sign that I will be starting some major construction work on my body, a couple of months later. I don't know what I'll come up with, but if I think about baroque and classical sculpture, I'm pretty sure I won't be losing weight this spring

Goodmorning Isabelle,

Well before I read your answer I decided it was good..thank you ...now when I take it and I dont get any weirdness that would be great and also I can take too if I feel I may need it... You mentioned someone used WY in place of FG..what would be the purpose..and most programs have them together along with SP (which I am thinking of still) I like the FG but the only thing I dont like is the cravings..sometimes I dont get them but mostly I do..wouldnt having WY, FG, GR during the 2nd half of cycle be a good combo? I am still off maca and not sure if I want to add it back cause I believe at my age I make alot of testos..my mood is actually better and I am not in hyper mode..as for my hairloss I really believe it is def. in biotin..I looked it up and I had all the symptoms lack of biotin..I also did a black tea rinse that helped some but made my hair feels and looks really great, it is shiney and soft and fluffy..google it..it suppose to help shedding..I read black tea has bergomet sp? in it that blocks DHT it is def. in earl gray which I always loved the taste of going to make some today..I guess it would help to drink it too..

Hey the picture of that building..very pretty ..love the color too..it has fem and manly features ..

[lostacres6]

Hi Isabelle,
I was on the BE Board & read that 1 female used Hops extract w/ flaxseed oil topically. Have you ever heard of Hops used topically? I just CANNOT tolerate Hops orally - even taking it at bedtime puts me into a terrible crying state the next day. Do you think topical Hops will do the same? Sorry if this was already discussed in an earlier post & thanks for your input.

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

I still can't remember who it was, but she made a batter herself from WY instead of FG, because of the smell of FG. Both contain diosgenin, so they are similar, but WY does more: it contains an anti-androgen, β-Sitosterol (the same as in PM), and it inhibits the metabolism of estrone to 16α-hydroxyestrone.

I always take the FG together with the carbs in my diet, to prevent the cravings. WY, FG, and GR during the 2nd half of the cycle looks great: those have everything you need, without the risk of an imbalance. You can always keep SP in the emergency kit, if the anti-androgen in WY is not enough.

Without hops, the maca is not necessary for mood. If you want it for butt growth, you can try it together with SP. But if the anti-androgen in WY or PM is enough to block all 5α-reductase, adding SP is not necessary.

Biotin is essential for hair, it's in your multi too. Bergamot oil is in hair&scalp conditioners, and publicity for those says it inhibits DHT, yes. But bergamot oil was banned from sunscreens in 1995, and they're still looking for outlets. Stick to the earl grey tea, that's much safer, and it contains bergamot too. Tea contains lignans as well.

Thank you for noticing the fem and manly features in the buiding. I never looked at it that way, but now I understand why I've been thinking about it a lot. The people who built it must really have intended it the way you see it: the statues on the third floor are Diana and Apollo. After a 150 years, new statues were made, and Diana got the lyra of her brother Apollo, and Apollo got the bow of Diana. Talk about cross gender symbolism
It's at the bottom of this page:
http://users.telenet.be/gentmijnestad/paginas/kouter.htm

[Isabelle]

Hi Lostacres,

An extract in wine or liquor is less depressant: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41761#pid41761

So using the extract may help, yes. I don't really know if using the extract topically will be even better. Are you willing to give it a try?

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Isabelle,

Wow Isabelle this is weird cause I didnt even notice those statues..I was going with the soft curves of and within the building but yet something about it has manlyness sp? too.. I just thought of something ..hahahahah I am looking for baby favors for my sisters shower (she is having a girl..unless the sonogram is wrong) but you are talking about how these statues my have some translation to cross gender..well look at the color of the building (this is where the baby shower come in this conversation..colors) look at the color of the building "yellow" well when you dont know a baby's gender you would pick green and yellow..I love that color yellow on the build it is a nice soft yellow (soothing but yet energinic) when I looked at the building I felt content but yet wow..dont know how to explain it..all I know is that color really suites that building.. Hey also your a blonde....wow I think that is the building in your dreams even if it doesnt look exactly like it..

Isa..sorry for asking alot about FG but what it does confuses me...well insullin resistance confuses me.. If I eat to much carbs (mostly simple) or sugars I get confused (haha no pun intended..wow too funny) and hyper and usually the sugary tast in mouth..now I am guessing my body became out of wack from the hops so bad or the FG is making me worse with this if so then I may have to do what you said and drop FG..Oh wait you mentioned eating it with carbs forgot to do this..grrrrrrrrrrr.. It sounds like if eaten with carbs FG helps to break it down in the liver and body? How is it being broken down and also can you take too much and if so what are the symptoms..Thank you