[luisa]

Thanks, Isabelle. It looks like in Menohop hops is combined with soy extract :
http://www.vitaminedesk.eu/de/product/67...y-new.html

I assume it is not a problem, I mean it is not too much soy if I had to take 9 tablets of Menohop (i.e. around 1,800 mg of hops) per day?

Also, I assume the product I have ordered still can be used for NBE since it is made of hops extract?

Many thanks for your help!

[Isabelle]

Welcome joyland,

I commented here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=11639&pid=48282#pid48282

Hi luisa,

There are two kinds of Menohop: with and without soy. I prefer the one without soy.

What you bought is still useful. Take it in the evening. The label says it's calming, and I assure you it will do more than that

[karen]

Morning Isabelle,

I need some advice

I’m thinking about changing some things. My boobs feel fuller these days BUT I’m not really having any other growth signs (like sensitivity or tenderness) so I’m wondering if the fullness is just from the FG. Also last time (back in Sept/Oct 2011) I seemed to get to sensitivity/tenderness quicker … could it be that the FG although causing swelling may also be holding back true growth. Am I getting any redistribution of fat to my Breasts or just Fluids …. I’m also having some questions about what to do with Hops …. With water or with food? In the AM one of the 1st things I want Hops to do is “get to work” on blocking the conversion of Free T to DHT … that way when I apply my Testim the Hops are already working away at blocking that conversion … if I take my morning Hops with food I wonder if maybe that delays the absorption of the 5 alpha-reductase blocking aspect of the Hops … so much so that my “peak” of Free T is well on it’s way BEFORE the Hops kick in.

So here’s what I’m thinking … I take my morning Hops with water (been taking it with food) …. That will help get it absorbed faster … or so I’m thinking … and 2nd … I’m gonna hold off on taking FG for a few days. Let any fluid in my breasts go away and see what I have left. Also see if maybe over the next week or so I start to get that “sensitivity and tenderness” that we all have come to love and cherish. If I should have any estrogen dominance signs I'm thinking some Licorice Tea could help.

Got any thoughts or suggestions?

Karen

I was thinking about my post while in the shower ... my main thoughts with stopping FG was that I might be taking too much (3,000 - 5,000 mg per day) and that by stopping it for awhile I could see what "changes" .... I'd probably then go back to a lower daily dose once I understand it's effects better.

Karen ... again

[Isabelle]

Hi Karen,

That's a lot of fenugreek. I take 2,500 mg, and I never have estrogen dominance symptoms. Even adjusted for body weight, 3,000 may be enough.

I started my program adding one herb at a time, and adjusting the dose on the basis of symptoms. You can also adjust doses from the point where you are now. Try to lower fenugreek until you lose swelling, or until you have bloated ankles. Then you know what your minimum effective dose is.

You can adjust hops in water to libido. Licorice is harder to tune, because it does too many things at the same time. It's also a duplication of functions that are already in the other herbs, so you have to add them up.

With hops in water adjusted to libido, and fenugreek adjusted to swelling and bloated ankles, you can increase hops in yogurt - within reason - until you have sensations. I normally didn't feel anything spontaneous from hops, only when I squeezed my areolas, there were some sharp shoots behind them, like stings. Because you add estrogens from testim, your sensations may be different, though.

[karen]

Hi Isabelle,

I agree on the too much FG too .... I just got caught up in feeling my soft swollen boobs

Here's what I did today

• 4:45 AM took 3 droppers full of Hops with water (3,000 mg)
• Not taking any FG for now
• 5:43 AM … 1 Fully Squeezed Tube of Testim
• 11:50 AM …. 2 Bag Mug of Licorice Tea
• 4:14 PM … just got home …. Dripped 3 droppers full of Hops (3,000 mg) onto a piece of Whole Wheat toast … which I ate with a small glass of milk

Felt good all day ... no headaches .... any idea how long it will take for the FG to be out of my body?

I've been feeling SO GOOD lately .... everyone around me is even commenting what a good mood I've been in .....

I'm liking it ...

Karen

[Isabelle]

Good morning Karen,

Good to read you're feeling great on it. Who cares if you have breasts in a few months

Fenugreek lasts less than a day. But you may have enough phyto-progestins and prolactin from the licorice. You can try and adjust that to symptoms.

[karen]

Good to read you're feeling great on it. Who cares if you have breasts in a few months

Interesting side thought isn't it

You know I can't keep that "kinky side of me down" ....

I'm learning allot about "controlling" what's going on .... I'm paying very close attention to signs/feelings and understanding dosages that caused them .... and of course I'm keeping a "VERY DETAILED" Journal along the way .... if I get a "little" surprised, then I guess that's the price that I will pay but I'm hoping it's not a big one.

I actually think that everything will be fine in the household if I did get a "little" surprised .... I always do have my TRT to blame it on.

Another 3 droppers full with water this AM.

Got a question for you .... do you take your FG is one dose? Or do you spread it out over the day? And what is the reasoning behind whatever way you do it? Guess that's 2 questions.

Karen

[karen]

I found this while surfing this AM ....

Although it's focus is NOT NBE but rather Hormone Treatment, I thought it had some real good information ... a good basic explanation of the entire process and what is going on in your body.

TRANSGENDERCARE MEDICAL FEMINIZING PROGRAM

http://www.transgendercare.com/medical/r...efault.asp

Karen

[Isabelle]

Hi Karen,

I take all of my daily fenugreek dose in one go on an empty stomach, 20 minutes before my highest carb meal. The reason is that fenugreek is hypoglycemic. I explained the logic above. Because it's difficult enough to get the timing right for one meal, I don't split the daily dose.

I knew transgendercare.com. I like their choices of estrogen - estradiol - and anti-androgens: either finasteride or spironolactone. I can't agree with the use of medroxyprogesterone acetate (Provera) as a progestin. TSs on provera look horrible: neglected, much older than their age, wrinkly, and totally drained of their energy. Still haven't figured out why.

[karen]

Hi Isabelle,

I wasn't "for" any of their treatments .... I didn't mean it to come off that way if it did ... I just thought the basic understanding would be helpfull to lots of people. (I'm sure nothing new to you )

6:05 AM .... 1 Tube of Testim

And off to work .....

Have a GREAT DAY ..... Karen