[shyfly]

Hmm don't know, I'm not using it but you can read about it here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=11320&highlight=goats

I would suggest you start your regimen with just basic things:
PM, vitamins, collagen, hyaluronic acid, msm...see if it works and then add other things slowly

alrighty thank you!

[Isabelle]

Hi Isabelle,

I was reading another thread and they mentioned maca being high anti-androgen. Well I looked up red maca and it said it help the prostate which makes me think it does block androgens, here is part of what they say if you can explain it better to me:

Growth of the prostate is a hormone-mediated phenomenon regulated by both androgens and estrogens [27]. However, data showed that Red Maca affect ventral prostate size without affecting serum testosterone or estradiol levels. This is not surprising because previously, it has been published that dietary phytoestrogens may affect prostate size without modify circulating testosterone or estrogen level [28], but affecting the androgen action in the rat prostate [27]. Our data on effect of Red Maca on ventral prostate size in rats previously treated with testosterone enanthate suggest that this cruciferous is acting by interfering the androgen action. Maca is characterized by its higher content on aromatic glucosinolates [19-21]. Recently, it has been described a metabolite of the aromatic glucosinolates that specifically antagonizes androgen receptor [18]; therefore, it is possible that effect of Red Maca on ventral prostate size may be due in part to an action of glucosinolate metabolites on androgen receptor. However, further studies will be required to clarify mechanism of action of this cruciferous plant.

here is the link of all the info: http://www.rbej.com/content/3/1/5

sounds like red maca is better to take or a combo of all three..red, yellow, cream, black.

Hi Susan,

It's all in references 7 and 18 of the publication you linked. Reference 7 says that DIM is formed from maca in the body. Reference 18 says that DIM kills prostate cancer cells. Reference 18 calls this an "androgen antagonist effect in the prostate". That is not the same as what we normally call an "anti-androgen effect" on this forum, because we use this term for a 5α-reductase inhibitor.

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Isabelle,

I was reading another thread and they mentioned maca being high anti-androgen. Well I looked up red maca and it said it help the prostate which makes me think it does block androgens, here is part of what they say if you can explain it better to me:

Growth of the prostate is a hormone-mediated phenomenon regulated by both androgens and estrogens [27]. However, data showed that Red Maca affect ventral prostate size without affecting serum testosterone or estradiol levels. This is not surprising because previously, it has been published that dietary phytoestrogens may affect prostate size without modify circulating testosterone or estrogen level [28], but affecting the androgen action in the rat prostate [27]. Our data on effect of Red Maca on ventral prostate size in rats previously treated with testosterone enanthate suggest that this cruciferous is acting by interfering the androgen action. Maca is characterized by its higher content on aromatic glucosinolates [19-21]. Recently, it has been described a metabolite of the aromatic glucosinolates that specifically antagonizes androgen receptor [18]; therefore, it is possible that effect of Red Maca on ventral prostate size may be due in part to an action of glucosinolate metabolites on androgen receptor. However, further studies will be required to clarify mechanism of action of this cruciferous plant.

here is the link of all the info: http://www.rbej.com/content/3/1/5

sounds like red maca is better to take or a combo of all three..red, yellow, cream, black.

Hi Susan,

It's all in references 7 and 18 of the publication you linked. Reference 7 says that DIM is formed from maca in the body. Reference 18 says that DIM kills prostate cancer cells. Reference 18 calls this an "androgen antagonist effect in the prostate". That is not the same as what we normally call an "anti-androgen effect" on this forum, because we use this term for a 5α-reductase inhibitor.

Wow...I am so sorry but I must have had a big brain fart..I thought I posted this on Isabelles thread..Isabelle I will continue on your thread..k..see you at long time hops user..hehe

[moonstone12]

I would like to post this VERY INSPIRING experience from one Japanese woman, for all the women who are losing faith in the power of NBE.

My advice is: Try Natural Breast Enlargement for ATLEAST 1 full year before trashing it.

Here is the women's blog with her success story (needs to be translated):
http://translate.google.com/translate?js...ugem.jp%2F

Started at age 24 still maintained at age 30. Started as a 34B. One year later, looks like 34D. Two years after she is a F Cup.

She used the following:
1. High-Quality Japanese PM:
http://en.item.rakuten.com/puerariaplaza/316578/

2. Whitex (pig placenta with hylauronic acid)
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.store-mix.com/ko-bai/product.php%3Fafid%3D7817377%26pid%3D347367%26hid%3D106490%26oid%3D8403%26aftype%3Dpct01&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhh04F6Rvi9JZStW6RAPleIaArXOfg

3. Super B-Up
http://www.richworld.jp/exp/superbup/index.html

4. Nano Collagen
http://nanocollagen.com/about.php?aID=3

5. HGH (not listed on her blog)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.store-mix.com%2Fko-bai%2Fp_list.php%3Foid%3D11747

I'm new to this forum, but inspired by this story. I'm 26, AA cup, and have a chest deformity called pectus excavatum, so my small breasts look ugly and small. I wanted to know if consuming pig placenta (whitex) is safe and if you have taken it? Also, where or how do you get HGH? I really want to start the Japanese girls regimen. Anything to get me to where I want to be at least a C-cup. My small breasts and chest deformity is a real self-esteem killer.

[Portia74]

I'm full of envy.
She looks fantastic.

I want a D and I would do anything to reach this goal but eating pig placenta.
It's disgusting!
OK, I know in Japan it's normal to eat disgusting things an European would never ever eat but...

It's not only because I'm vegan but, come on, PIG PLACENTA???!!!
I get sick from only writing this!

N E V E R!

[moonstone12]

This is the program I'm following!! I had to buy so many supplements, I even ordered pig placenta from Japan! I know, it sounds crazy :-) but I really really wanted to make it as close to her program as possible because her results are.. well, you know I couldn't find Whitex so instead I take hyaluronic acid and placenta seperately. As for the supplements in luteal phase: the Japanese girl was thinking she was taking it to increase progesterone. But if you look closer at the ingredient list you will find that the herbs are mostly just weak phytoestrogens. The "yairuduyamu" is wild yam I think taking weak phytoestrogens in luteal phase is OK but I don't do it, I use PC instead.

I take PM from day 1 till 1-2 days before ovulation because 1 day before ovulation there should be a drop in estrogen, that's what causes ovulation to occur. If estrogen is still high then the ovulation will be postponed. Luteal phase takes 14 days, so, if you postpone O then your cycle will be prolonged. We all are different though, a friend of mine started taking PM just like me, but the second month she continued for the whole month but reduced the dose in luteal phase to 100mg.

The Japanese girl takes 150mg (if I remember correctly) for maintenance, it is the same brand but lower dosage, it is called "Sister Ladies' Pueraria 100%".

So far I've only done 2 months but I'm happy with results.

Hi, Gini. Are you also taking all the other products she took like super B-up drops and whitex and glamour?

[stacy305]

I take PM and Goat's Rue days 1 to 13 and Goat's Rue the rest of the time.

Where can I find goat's rue at? And have u had progress with that? Thanks

[stacy305]

Haha Portia74 I agree but any kind of placenta is disgusting lmao
Btw am I the only one that thinks the japanese ladies boob growing is unreal? Idk there too huge I hope I get like that! *.*
Prayin to the lord for my twins to grow...

[loverstilly]

It's not unreal! If you follow her blog here: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fikunyu.com%2Fbustup%2F

There is a link under category that have before and after photos of her. She posted photos every 7 days so you can track her progress there!

This is SO inspiring! I bought NB but can't do it because I have a room mate, so I was thinking of using PM day 1-14 and b-up for the remaining 14 days.. and of course milk thistle to cleanse before and every 3 months.

Does anyone know if it is safe for a 21 year old girl to take those?

And should I noogle while taking them? Thanks!

Sorry so many questions. Always wanted growth but was too lazy to really do anything about it. But now I'm gonna do all it takes.

[Ladyflash]

You are not lying!! How inspirational!

Her progress is amazing. This woman started from this: