[karen]

The past few of days I eliminated FG and Licorice tea ... relying completely on SP and Hops ... complimented with 1 Menohop in the AM and 1 Menohop in the PM.

The fullness of my breasts is for sure changing based on how much SP and Hops I have. Less and they are for sure "less full and they are kinda saggy" .... more and they are nice and full and firm and rounded. Mind you, these are "little boobies" (guess you could call them "boobettes") BUT noticeably different based on SP/Hops consumption.

Karen

[karen]

I've been looking around a little lately at anti-androgens. I'm beginning to see benefits in using "specific herbs" for "specific purposes" .... it would allow me to regulate quantities to any level that I want for whatever effects I want as well as what ones to take when ... whether that be only taking the DHT edge off of Testim when I'm not trying NBE ... or blocking mostly all DHT when taking Estradiol producing Herbs when I'm in NBE Full swing mode.

I'm looking at these 3 anti-androgens ....

saw palmetto berry
stinging nettle root
pumpkin seed oil

All are available in soft gels .... some even combined. SP and SNR seem to be combined allot even has Beta-Sitosterol added.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Karen

[Isabelle]

Hi karen,

I have my doubts about SNR and PSO:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41849#pid41849
SNR even contains an aromatase blocker:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41558#pid41558

[Pansy-Mae]

Hmmm... brewed 1.5g for 20mins and drank it 40 minutes ago...nothing so far...

I'll do another later this evening another in the morning and see if anything happens.

Ok, well, this time yesterday as I said, I brewed up 1500mg ( weighed) GR and drank that. No obvious effects at all.
About 9-30pm yesterday I brewed up 2000mg and drank that just before going to bed.
I noticed at that point, that peeing took a long time( Sorry, if TMI!).
This morning had another 2000mg brew at about 8am
No noticeable swelling of the boobs at all. However during the day today, I have been aware of a generally slightly increased breast skin surface sensitivity, one instance of itchy nipples and one very brief shooting pain. I'm more inclined to think these are possibly due to the often reported growth spurt after stopping PM, than the GR?

I haven't taken any GR since this morning and the peeing problem seems to be disappearing again, so I am now 100% convinced that it is the GR that has a bad effect on my prostate. I guess that's one piece of solid knowledge to add to the pot, but it isn't good from my NBE viewpoint

[Isabelle]

Hi Pansy Mae,

Of all the herbal teas I drink, goat's rue tea is one of the most diuretic, yes. But I don't know if that is due to a prostate problem. You are far more experienced there than I am

It's common for people to swell after stopping PM, but what you describe is more like growth. That could happen if you were stalled on PM. Anyway, it's easy to check if the GR has anything to do with it. If the feelings go away, try a few more cups.

[Pansy-Mae]

Hi Pansy Mae,

Of all the herbal teas I drink, goat's rue tea is one of the most diuretic,

No, its the other way round... an enlarged prostate constricts the urethra after it leaves the bladder and means that the sufferer WANTS and NEEDS to pass water but is unable to. It ranges from very slow flow and uncomfortable, to impossible and downright agony. Fortunately, I've never got past the early stages and the Floquil/Finasteride has kept even them at bay. GR seems to move it into the slow and uncomfortable region. It did it both back in January and again now. In January I took it for a month and it was starting to get past 'uncomfortable' and towards 'unpleasant' before I realised what was happening and stopped the GR and I have no intention of pushing my luck with a third try for no tangible effect on the boobs.

[Isabelle]

Something peculiar struck me while I posted the cost of my program in post # 1310 yesterday. I could easily ditch the four most expensive herbs. Fenugreek increases progesterone and prolactin, and flax contains phyto-estrogens and an anti-androgen: secoisolariciresinol diglycoside (SDG). Flax increases SHBG, but oats decrease it. And oats add zinc and vitamin B6, which are in my multi-vitamin. So I could replace the multi by meat or soy milk for vitamin B12, and dark green leafy vegetables for folic acid. The fenugreek, flax, and oats together cost € 1 a month

I definitely want to try this as a maintenance program.

[Isabelle]

Aha Pansy Mae,

Thank you for clarifying that. Good to know: eventually, we'll all have to take good care of our prostates. I'll check what in goat's rue makes it swell.

[Pansy-Mae]

eventually, we'll all have to take good care of our prostates.

Oh yes. I'm perhaps more aware of it than some people because my father had a big problem with it 30 odd years ago. Drugs were less advanced back then, of course, and he ended up in hospital for a week for surgical intervention. That consisted of them sliding some kind of circular knife down the urethra from the outside and twirling it to cut away the constriction inside the prostate...makes my eyes water to think about and I really don't want to do anything to hasten me towards that particular destination...even big boobs ain't worth it!!

I'll check what in goat's rue makes it swell.

I'll be interested in anything you find out, but I've kind of assumed that it is the same swelling mechanism that makes boobs swell. I was actually surprised when you said GR is a strong diuretic, because for the fast swelling results you report, I would have thought that most of that would be water retention, I can't think of anything else that would happen and disappear in only 30 minutes.

[Isabelle]

You're right, Pansy Mae,

Something's funny here. I'll compare goat's rue tea to other diuretic teas again. It's supposed to do the opposite:
http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/c...1178.short
"Metformin is a relative of isoamylene guanidine, the active ingredient in the French lilac (Galega officinalis), used for centuries to treat polyuria in diabetics [44]".