[Mikaeri]

Hello to you all, wonderful people who have been a great deal of help =)

i've been reading through this forum for some months already, and finally opted for a program based on EVE M's, although i am considering adding PM in the 2nd or 3rd cycle.

first of all i shall post some information about myself:

22 year old female; on oral BC(Etinilestradiol & Gestoden) which has a 28 day period, with a 5 day brake.
weight 63kg
height 1,63m
underbust: 78cm
bust:88cm

not sure what cup size( AA or A?)

my program:

i'm going to cycle even though on BC

herbal intake:
BARLEY(Hordeum vulgare) 2x400mg
FENNEL seed (Foeniculum vulgare) 2x200mg
FENNUGREEK seed ( Trigonella foenum-graecum) 2x 900mg
HOPS flower (Humulus lupus) 2x900mg
LINSEED (Linude humile) 2x500mg
OATS seed 2x400mg
PUERARIA MIRIFICA (will only introduce in 2nd cycle)

Infusions: 2x to 3x a day either: fennel/ hops or spearment

supplements
L-ARGININE
PANTOTHENIC ACID (to help improve my skin)


Batter:

1 cup of olive oil + 1 cup of fennugreek + 2 tablespoons of borage oil

Massages

twice a day 360 chi rotations with coconut cream or fennugreek batter ( for now i'm just using coconut cream, cause i only made my FG batter today, and will have to wait for a week at least)

i've posted a chart of my cycling the herbs

I asked my doctor if he could test my hormones ( so i could have a better ideia of their levels) but he refused and said such was unnecessary cause i'm still young and don't show any symptons of hormonal inbalance

I hope these herbs suit my body, i don't want to grow too much, but maybe 1 or 2 cups. I'm content with my body, but feel that a little more curves on the top could give me a more feminine feeling to my life.(i've had a worse fase, when i was a teen, i really thought i was gross, and hardly considered me to be feminine, this self bashing isn't healthy.
I practice rough kind of sports such as medieval recreation swords fighting and it wouldn't be cool if i had a huge bosom that doesn' fit in a gambeson. I guess i'm trying to find my male side and female side. All in all i also have a great admiration for knowledge on usage of herbs.

i'll be posting my progress here from time to time.

if any one has any tips or recomendations on this program, i'd be gratefull

[Mikaeri]

One thing i'd like to know is if it's the seed of flaxseed you must take ( i've read it should be first soaked in water) because on the forum alot of people have been mentioning grinding it, i don't see the problem in taking it whole

[veronicas2257]

Best of luck and cant wait to hear of ur progress im doing herbs and massage myself, i hope that chi works for u however i have done it many months ago for like 3 months religiously and it dodnt increase my breasts, however i knownits different for everyone!! The herbs u are taking are the most estrogenic ones so u shoud really get nice results soon, keep us updated! Im trying to go up a cup size too, im a B now and it is a lite frustrating as i have an hourglass figure butbthis extra inch on the chest would make it much more well endowed anyway i hope u enjoy ur journey

[Mikaeri]

Hey Veronica : )

i'm glad you replied, and about the 360 chi rotation massages , that has been on my mind too, i've only started for a week and sometimes i wonder , when i get to 200 rotations i have to apply more coconut butter otherwise i can't really do any proper massages, so the chiyomilk technique sounds very interesting, i might change to it, or do a combination of both (i've read your messages in the fat transfer thread which were very helpful too)

thanks for the encouragment, i hope you're having the results you expected =)
and with an hourglass figure! that's just perfect ^^

thanks

[veronicas2257]

Haha i just wish every massage i did worked quicker it is very hard work, especially the chi !! But yes the chiyomilk massages are veryy good!! As long as u believe in them i think they ll work and well when it comes to results.. My breasts are firmer and much rounder now so i guess thats a benefit however no change in size yet, i have properly been doin the program for almost 2 months, basically just trying everything i read about haha, i hope it works for u as well tho, i know how frustrating it is to want bigger breasts, at times i think theyre not so bad the way they are but bigger woudnt hurt right

[Mikaeri]

well.. i haven't began yet, i'm currently awaiting for my hops to arrive along with Palmer's cocoa butter+vitaminE.
On top of this i have been reading more about preparing/cleansing your body before NBE by using either progesterone cream or in taking MILK THISTLE 1 week before your menstruation. I'm going to opt for the milk thistle, and seeing that i'm still going on my Folicular fase i have to wait alot.

At least i have time to prepare my fenugreek batter, and capsulate manually the herbs i found at local shops. sigh... still have to wait a bit =p

[veronicas2257]

Well at least your going to be starting off fully prepared i am amazed at how much results im gettin in such a short time from fenugreek and red clover, this is the first time that somethin is acctually working for me haha, and the best part is that im losing a little bit of weight without even trying to, i really dont know how this works.. But somehow it does haha
Let us all know wen u get started and update on any results im very excited for u

[Mikaeri]

Finally, i've started my NBE journey for a week i took milk thistle, and yesterday which was the 2nd day of my cycle (my monthly hasn't appeared yet) i started my program.

Morning:
Barley (400mg); Oats (400mg); Hops (620mg), Linseed(500mg); L-arginine (500mg)

spearment tea, + chiyomilk massages

Evening:
Barley (400mg); Oats (400mg); Hops (620mg), Linseed(500mg);


Notes: i should try to take the herbs at least 20 30 min before meals to enhance their effects

Q.: i have no idea how the majority of you deal with the fennugreek batter when it come to leaving it on the chest area over night, i read someone's post about using plastic wrap, and this caused severe rashes on the skin, so i was thinking of using an old rag ( like towel or thick t-shirt) so at least my skin can breathe and not dirty the sheets that much. but i'm still apprehensive...

[Doll]

You've got a great program! Isn't flaxseed oil an aromatase inhibitor, though? I use the oil directly on my breasts for massage, but wouldn't taking it internally be counter-productive to the most part? (I can tell your program is based off of Eve's, but I'm not sure if she used that as well and still saw results...)

Also, L-Arginine isn't all it's hyped up to be. It gets to be rather expensive after a while because it doesn't do too much compared to the rest of the stuff and it takes a lot of mgs to make it very effective. I've cut it out of my program for that reason, as has Isabelle, although I've started breaking the capsules open and putting them into my flaxseed oil for massage, not sure if it's helping or not, but they were leftover so I figured I'd try it. You may realize how expensive it can be, and if you're only taking 500mgs in the morning, I doubt it's going to do much of anything. Maybe you can take it 10 minutes before your morning and night massage, to further increase circulation from the massage, and maybe make the effects of massage last longer?

I can't believe you're putting the herbs in capsules yourself! You're really going hardcore! I think that's awesome! I hope you get great growth from this, just as Eve did. Good luck, and keep us posted on your results!

[Mikaeri]

Woah Doll, thank you so much for the input ; )

you've raised interesting questions:
about flaxseed/linseed, i take the seeds internally, and not in the form of oil extraction. I thought that flax seed also contains compounds known as lignans that mimic the effects of natural estrogen on the body.
Would the aromatse inhibitor interfere with the other herbs chemistry?

and about the L-arginine, i agree, it does seem to become unsustainable due to the price, and it's funny only now i'm seeing people commenting that it's not that necessary. i gathered at the time that i needed something to help my body produce more tissue cells.[/code]
thank you for the tip, i won't be investing more in L-arginine

about the encapsulating, it's pretty cool, i consider it a little hobby : D

thanks for the help, your personal page has helped me with alot of doubts too, and it's great to know you're program is working for you! btw, you're breasts look so gorgeous ^^ go girl