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Thanks Isabelle, these are some fascinating questions. I have no actual answers, but a few thoughts for what they are worth!
(12-07-2012, 14:48)Isabelle Wrote: I have quite a few questions too:
- Why doesn't anyone seem to grow on SP alone? I have my doubts about SP and what it really does, irrespective of what he literature says
- Soy users generally have excellent skin, but why do many have no breasts? Dont know, but since half the planet seems to exist on Soy as a staple, it can't nearly as effective as we think, for some reason.
- Why is there no literature on women who have no boobs because they have been consuming a dietary or environmental anti-estrogen for too long? Because nobody has put two and two together, asked the question and got the funding?
- Why do some transition regimes insist on adding a progestin? To add the rounding factor to the triangular 'estrogen only' shape?
- Why don't gym rats take anti-estrogens instead of aromatase inhibitors? Could it be because psychologically they dont want to admit to being he-men with an estrogen problem?
- Why do we lose size when we stop phyto-estrogens, if gynecomastia are so hard to get rid of? Now this IS a good question! It has always appeared to me that a lot of natural gynecomastia growth is actually fat rather than real tissue and many sufferers appear to be on the overweight side of things.. If it is naturally depositing on the chest preferentially, then losing weight overall is probably going to actually make the effect worse by emphasising it.
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Isabelle,
Just got my 1/2 pound of Organic Hops Strobiles ...
I'm gonna start tonight ... BUT I wanted to see what I had in store for myself so I ate 2 of the Strobiles PLAIN ..... HOLEY CRAP .... that stuff is bitter ... I now know why it grows boobs .... when your body explodes it has to go someplace .....
Got to figure out what to have it in tonight .... I don't think I want oatmeal before bedtime .... would a yogurt and cranberries/raisins work?
And when you said 3000 mg .... did you mean START at 3000 or ramp up to 3000.
Ms K
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Thank you Pansy Mae,
This really helps. Especially your view on gynecomastia. It happened to me in April. Losing weight, my under bust size tended to follow my decreasing waist size. Suddenly I jumped up cup sizes because of the math. The increasing cup size was confirmed optically. This must be a nightmare for gynecomastia "sufferers"
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Yes Karen,
Yogurt worked for Eve. I use raisins too, and cranberries sound like a great idea.
Start with 1,000 mg. Tomorrow 2,000, and then 3,000 mg. Because you used ethanol extracts so far, you may be surprised by the sleepiness. The depression, I don't know. I struggled for weeks in July last year. My mood only improved after I started to take maca.
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And away we go ....
1500 mgs weighed of Hops Strobiles in Vanilla Yogurt and Granola ... wasn't terrible .... I did chew and hit some "hoppy" spots ... we will see ... I am adding it to my journal
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See? The sacrifices are small. The gains are sooo much fun
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What I need to find out now is if I am one of those that digests Hops into 8-prenylnaringenin. If not, it will be back to the drawing boards.
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(12-07-2012, 18:35)karen Wrote: I ate 2 of the Strobiles PLAIN ..... HOLEY CRAP .... that stuff is bitter ... I now know why it grows boobs .... when your body explodes it has to go someplace .....
Got to figure out what to have it in tonight .... I don't think I want oatmeal before bedtime .... would a yogurt and cranberries/raisins work?
I'm not laughing, honest!!
Hops is the most disgusting thing I've ever tried to eat. I never managed to find anything that could make it even vaguely palatable and had to switch to capsules of powdered hop flowers.
I tried melting it into chocolate, setting it in jelly( with and without fruit), porridge, sugars and sweeteners, etc, nothing worked for me, so good luck!
Actually, FWIW, Hops did nothing for me on the NBE front either.
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Morning Status .....
OK ... so here's what I know so far
- I took 1,500 mg of Hops Strobiles with Yogurt and Granola at 3:50 PM
- Around 5:30 PM I started to feel like taking a nap
- Sometime around 6:00 PM or so I dozed off in front of TV
- Woke up around 8:30 feeling very similar to times that I had taken a much stronger dose of my Liquid Extract. Hard to explain ... sorta on the verge of a "rush"
Obviously WAY TO soon to know anything BUT one of the things that I had suspected based on what I felt when I took different doses of liquid extract is that the extract is LOTS weaker than the Dried Strobiles. Comparing how I felt last night with 1,500 mg of dried hops to times when I had taken enough liquid extract to be more than 5,000 mg of Hops they felt almost the same.
Like I said WAY SOON ... but tonight is 2,000 mg Dried Hops night ... and probably it will be later in the evening. The 1st time I wanted it to be early enough to be able to compare things.
Oh yeah ... less erections last night.
more to come later .... Karen
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(13-07-2012, 06:52)Pansy-Mae Wrote: I'm not laughing, honest!!
Hops is the most disgusting thing I've ever tried to eat. I never managed to find anything that could make it even vaguely palatable ...
Definitely is nasty by itself ... it really wasn't too bad in the Vanilla Yogurt mix. I wouldn't put it on my list of "favorite snacks" but if I see results I could deal with it.
(13-07-2012, 06:52)Pansy-Mae Wrote: ... and had to switch to capsules of powdered hop flowers.
Actually, FWIW, Hops did nothing for me on the NBE front either.
How long did you stay on the Dried Flowers? From what I have seen so far the weakest form is the powdered capsules, then the liquid extract (1:1 in alcohol) and now the dried flowers "appear" to be the strongest. Comparing doses on the labels was kinda worthless for me ... even when I tried what was supposed to be an equal doese of powdered vs liquid extract they weren't even close to the same in what I could feel.
Plus the amounts of liquid that I had to take to see/feel any results was crazy (there were days that I took 14 grams in a single day) Based on what I felt from 1.5 grams of the Flowers I wouldn't even consider taking 14 grams of that.
Again .. this is way soon ... but I'll keep everyone posted.
Wonder if I should change my avatar to a little white lab mouse.
Karen
