[djt-d]

Doll - you've got lovely sized shaped breasts - I'd be very very happy with the size & shape of yours.
What would be the one thing out of all your methods of NBE would you say was the one that give you the biggest growth? x

[Lacey Ra]

No! White Peony isn't a T-Supressant! It's an aromatase! This messes up women's hormones! AbiDrew I recommended White Peony to you because you're genetically male an can take aromatases like that. Women in general should not. It can do more harm then good in women.

[AbiDrew85]

Okay... so why is it that so many women have used it without problems? I think it's probably just like anything else we use, be careful. I've also looked into it more myself after you discussed it and it's not actually aromatase, it's pro-aromatase. It helps the aromatase in your body do its thing. If you don't have any, it doesn't do anything. I -might- still try it, but I doubt it'd do anything to me, I doubt I have enough aromatase for it to assist well enough to do so.

IF a genetic female should use it, they should probably keep it JUST to like the follicular phase, same as anything else that raises estrogen. They should also probably stick to lower doses and only raise it a little at a time. Even a genetic male, if it even would work, would probably be best served with similar advice.

But, Emily... ANYTHING she can do to decrease her T beyond the DHT reduction from SP, will ALSO affect other hormones. This is unavoidable. Maybe switch off between WP during Follicular phase and CS during luteal since one increases the conversion of T to E and the other decreases BOTH testosterone AND estradiol? Spearmint tea for luteal could also work...

She seemingly needs SOMETHING to further decrease her testosterone, not just DHT, anything that can do that will either raise or lower her estradiol.

EDIT: Unless she's wrong about her T still being high even with all that SP. Which I suppose is possible, I do have to admit Doll does seem to not realize how gorgeous she already is right now... Which lots of us have told her over and over...

[Doll]

Doll - you've got lovely sized shaped breasts - I'd be very very happy with the size & shape of yours.
What would be the one thing out of all your methods of NBE would you say was the one that give you the biggest growth? x

Thank you. Honestly, with my condition and personal hormone levels, I can't say that any one thing has helped over others. They are all working together to regulate my hormones and get me onto the path of some sort of normalcy. Even my vitamins are helping keep my levels together. However, some things have helped less than others. Flaxseed hasn't done much at all, unfortunately. Even my Volufiline cream I'm using now doesn't seem to be helping any, although it hasn't been a month quite yet, and I'm sure after maybe three months or so it might help a little. Still, I don't think it'll be enough to make it worth it to continue buying it. L-Arginine is a waste of money, period.

As far as the white peony is concerned, I'd definitely have to look into it if I were to try it. However, I'll probably just end up buying PM and continuing on my Maca and SP. I don't know anything about the female cycle and would not be able to keep up with a program that has to be based around it. Half the time I don't even know what part of the month it is. I'm not even sure if my monthly phases would be the same as it is for most people considering my PCOS. I prefer to just keep it simple in the end.

With my current dose of FG and RC, I'll probably be running out very soon, so I guess I should be ordering my PM like now. I hate being rushed into these decisions, but it will be MUCH more cost efficient, and probably much more effective as well. I'm also LOVING the idea of not having to take a million pills a day.

I finally found a bra that pretty much fits, and bought it. It's a push-up, add-a-cup bra, which I normally hate. Since my breasts are already so perky and round, there's nothing for the bra to push up (the padding literally just contours around my breasts). There's extra space at the top of the bra where breasts would be pushed into it regularly, but since mine don't do that, it just means a little gapping for me (aka growing room).

[nisse]

Doll,

How much of a difference did it make using pc? I must be doing something wrong or just am really impatient.

[MichelleSmith]

In order to regulate hormonal control and coordination, you need to consume natural health products to take over deficiencies occurred. Try milk products to raise estrogen level.

[Doll]

Doll,

How much of a difference did it make using pc? I must be doing something wrong or just am really impatient.

The only difference PC has made for me is it stabilized my imbalance, and I no longer have estrogen dominance symptoms. However, this is good, and means that I will be able to grow again. I also have only used it for one cycle so far, and won't be starting it again for another week or two. With the herbs I was using before, I wouldn't need to use PC every month, because they weren't raising my hormone levels enough. But now that I plan on taking PM, I will definitely need my PC every month to make sure I don't become E. dominant again. It works for everyone differently, too, so you may not necessarily be doing anything wrong at all. When my friend first started using it, she got over a full cup of swelling within the first few days, but lost it the next week when her monthly came, and hasn't gotten anywhere near that much swelling again.

Michelle-
I actually drink a glass of milk every day, although not as part of my NBE. Drinking a lot of milk may help some women, but for those of us taking all these herbs, I'm not really sure it would help any to add a bunch of xenoestrogens to the mix. I'd hate for that to be the thing that clogs up my estrogen receptors and prevents stronger estrogens from latching on and getting to work. I appreciate the thought, but please don't bring your spam into my page.

EDIT:
My new herb doses are definitely giving me swelling again. I think getting back to massage is helping as well. I'm really excited for my next growth spurt, and I imagine PM will be exactly what I need to get me there.

[Doll]

I ran out of my Saw Palmetto today and went and bought Saw Palmetto extract this time instead. I'm really anxious to see if the extract gets me results any faster, and I'm excited that I'll be taking a lot less pills now. Vita Shoppe is still doing buy one get one half off, so I got my MSM again and will be taking it 'til I run out. I definitely notice a difference in my joints since I haven't been taking it, and I'm still holding out hope that it'll have a slight difference in my breast growth, too, even if it isn't a visible difference to me.

My breasts are finally swollen back to about the point they were before I decided to lower my doses. I've been on this new higher dose of everything less than a week I think, it's amazing that my body can jump back into it so fast. My new 34D bra that had some slight gapping in the top is already getting tighter on me. I pretty much fit it now. I was worried about how I would fit anything once my breasts start growing again, but now I know they'll stretch the bra out (that's apparently how I fit that last 34D so well before at my 37" measurement), so I'm not longer worried. Probably ordering PM this week! Can't wait to get started on it!

[mochaccino]

That's awesome! You are way to lucky One of the number one rules of BE is "Don't mess with a good thing". If it seems like it's working for you right now, and you know for a fact that it's worked in the past, maybe you should give it a longer time to see if it works again before adding PM.

[Ivory]

OMG giiiirl what a difference!!!!
I am jeaaaaaalous hahaha! But also happy for you!
Saw youre pics on BHM (yes, I also want some junk in the trunk But I havent started yet, to afraid to lose some boobies when I work out! Didn't you have that problem? )
Goood luck and I hope you reach the full 34DD!!!

Thank you! As far as losing boobies from working out, that's a common myth. Yes, too much cardio will make you lose body fat, which will eventually come from your boobs and make them smaller. However, I mostly workout to build muscle, not burn fat. If you want to still do cardio, as long as you limit it to 20 minutes a day 3 days out of the week, you should be fine. If you're too scared for that even, don't even bother, and just lift weights and such.

Niiocee!

I saw your pics on the other forum, what are you doing for your bottom half? Are any supplements helping or is it just exercise?

Also when I take FG, I smell like maple syrup+curry. Angry I only take 1800 mg. You take almost twice that, does your body have a fenugreek scent?

Oddest question ever, I know Blush

For my butt exercises, I do:
Weighted squats (holding dumbbells on each shoulder while you squat)
Frog squats
Donkey kicks w/ankle weights
Leg circles w/ankle weights
4 Minute Butt Workout
and when I feel like doing cardio I add Victoria's Secret Cardio

I was taking maca, but I'm still seeing great results without it. I think my body naturally produces a lot of testosterone for a woman, so I really don't need the maca. Also, if you really want great results, drink a protein smoothie with AT LEAST 60g protein after a workout, and increase your protein intake every day. (This will help with NBE as well.)

And a lot of people say they smell like maple syrup with fg, but my friend and I have never had that problem. Maybe it's the brands we've tried. If you've also smelled like curry from it, I'll bet my Vitamin Shoppe brand I use would probably make you smell like that! The pills certainly doesn't have the good maple syrup smell GNC's brand does!

Hi Doll! I find your thread very inspiring, your results are really impressive!
I was just wondering, did you find that your calves and thighs got much larger doing the exercises to enlarge your butt? Thanks!