[Doll]

That's awesome! You are way to lucky One of the number one rules of BE is "Don't mess with a good thing". If it seems like it's working for you right now, and you know for a fact that it's worked in the past, maybe you should give it a longer time to see if it works again before adding PM.

Lol I know, I know. But I do know that PM will be much stronger than these herbs, and it will be much more cost-effective (I'm actually to the point where if I can't find cheaper alternatives to what I'm doing, I'm going to have to quite NBE, which is why I cut my doses in the first place). So I can't imagine it being any less effective, and I'm pretty positive that I'll see even better results with it (especially seeing the results from genetic males and other PCOS sufferers). I wish I could continue on this current regimen, but it's running me dry, so I have to take the risk. :/ I just have to stay positive and hope for the best! Even if it for some reason doesn't work for me, I still know that my growth up to a large 32DD IS permanent, so it can't hurt me to try if all I'm risking losing is a little bit of swelling beyond that point.

I just got incredibly sick, so I'm not sure how this will affect my NBE. Unfortunately, when I get sick, I'm usually sick for two weeks to a month, so it'll be hard having to take all these pills with this sore a throat. I hope I don't have to miss any doses because of that, but I know it'll probably end up happening. At least on the bright side, the fever's pretty much cleared up all my acne so I don't have to worry about washing my face so religiously in this wretched condition.

UPDATE:
Wow, gaining back this lost growth is really making me feel amazing. I now fit this large 34D bra (although I do expect to stretch it out in the future, too, so we'll see). My breasts look so big now; I didn't realize that little bit of growth I lost made such a difference. ^^; I still haven't ordered PM and might have to buy more FG and RC to hold me over until I do so. I really am slacking when it comes to this sort of thing...
Oh! And I'm trying my AHA lotion twice a day on my areolas to try to decrease their puffiness. Don't know why I didn't think of doing it sooner. I'm not sure if I'm noticing a difference already (it's been almost a week now) or if I just haven't caught them at full-puff (stupid, embarrassing, ugly nipples), so I'll wait 'til I get over this cold to really make a judgement call. I'm afraid to use a fat burning cream on my breasts, so I'm trying this first for obvious reasons. It worked before to tighten the skin under my chin and get rid of a slight double-chin I somehow developed, and I'm reading it online as a possible solution to puffy nipples (well, not an AHA lotion specifically, but I might as well start with this since I like it so much anyway).

[Doll]

Just ordered my PM. I'm so excited for it to come in. Unfortunately, it's shipping from Thailand and will take 2-3 weeks, so I'll have to buy and continue on FG in the meantime. :/

Looked at a bunch of progress pics on their forums, so encouraging! Time to get this show back on the road!

[djt-d]

Good luck Doll with your PM.

I wish I could take PM, but I can't cos of my thyroid problem.

Do you know which herb is the strongest to PM as I may be able to take that?

[nullmoon]

Was the PM Ainterol or another brand? I know Ainterol is based in Thailand, I think. For future reference (if it was Ainterol), they can ship directly from the States. I got mine in 3-4 days, instead of the usual few weeks to a month. You just need to select the option for US destinations on the product page of whatever you need to buy.

[Doll]

As far as an herbal equivalent, I'm not really sure. Why is your thyroid problem preventing you from using it? Are you sure you'll be able to use something else? I know red clover's really strong, but even that doesn't compare to PM..

It was Ainterol, and there were two sites I was looking at buying it from. One of them shipped from Delaware (I live right next door in Maryland) and wanted to charge me $10 for shipping, and the one I ordered from could ship single bottles from New York in that time or three bottles at a time from Thailand for $8 shipping (and they had a 10% discount, too). I didn't realize they shipped from the US, too, otherwise I would have bought one bottle for a little extra and then bought the three bottles soon after (the extra I would have paid for the one bottle would be about the same as the fenugreek I'm going to have to buy :/). They really should have stated that BEFORE checkout, not as the very last page in the process. Oh well.

[Doll]

JUST KIDDING.
I'm glad I ordered the cheaper one from faraway lands, because I ran out of FG that night, so I would have had to buy more anyway. Had to buy more red clover, too. Darn.

So, even with all this swelling lately, bringing me back to where I was before, my breasts are actually hurting again! More growing pains already?!? This is unbelievable! I hope I can see the results of this growth better than last time! ;P Love these new higher doses. I really must need it.

Also, just measured myself today! I was 5'4" exactly before, and now I'm almost 5'5"! All from my corsetting! I know you're thinking, "Oh, it's because the corset gives you better posture, so you're just standing taller." But with getting my height measured, I've always stood as tall as I possibly could, like you're supposed to. Judging from how much back pain the corset gave me in the beginning, I really think it's already straightening my spine!

Here's an update on my program as it stands currently:

Fenugreek: 6 pills a day
Red Clover: 2 pills a day
Saw Palmetto: 2 pills a day
Maca: 1 pill a day

Progesterone cream: twice daily, last two weeks before period
Volufiline cream: twice daily (will not be repurchasing)
Flaxseed oil: twice daily (will not be repurchasing)

The above herbs are the specific ones I use, and I've found them to be the best so far of the brands and types I've tried.
I will be continuing on this for the next week and a half or so, and then cleansing with Milk Thistle before starting my PM program.

I think I'm going to be using more pictures to describe my program from here on out. I really like this.

[AbiDrew85]

It is a pretty nifty idea. I might have to steal it next month when I do my next update.

Glad to hear of your progresses Doll! Wish I had a body like yours... I'll probably never even get close to where you already are, you know that right? At least in the waist to hip ratio. Not without getting SOMETHING injected into my hips or some skeleton breaking and realigning done. The latter of which no one's willing to do even if I was willing to subject myself to it.

[djt-d]

As far as an herbal equivalent, I'm not really sure. Why is your thyroid problem preventing you from using it? Are you sure you'll be able to use something else? I know red clover's really strong, but even that doesn't compare to PM..

Thank you Doll. I think I will give red clover a try. It was quite a while back now and I was reading up on PM (I think it was the seller's webpage) and they said you can't take it if you have under/over active thyroid.

I rang a pharmasist up and they confirmed I can take red clover. Is PM only taken for breast enlargement? How widely known is this product? I am just wondering if my pharmasist knows of PM and would know if I could take it.


Also Doll - I think the pictures of the products you use are really good. I like it much better than just typing what you use, to actually see the product as well makes it a lot better, and us newbies to herbs know exactly what they are.

[djt-d]

Hi Doll

What does Maca come under; ie; is it a Phyto-estrogen, Phyto-progestin or Prolactin?

What does the Progesterone cream actually do? Does it make your boobs grow or is it t ouse if you are are low in progesterone and to bring it back up to normal? And again is it a phyto-estrogen, phyto-progestin or prolactin? (sorry if this doesn't make sense and it's none of them, I am clueless about herbs).

Thank you for the info, it's just that I'm compiling a list of all the herbs and what they do for you.

Thank you

[AbiDrew85]

The best progesterone creams, of which Doll's is one, are bio-identical progesterone derived from plant sources, but are actual progesterone as found in humans. They also contain a number of "carrier" herbs and other chemicals to help absorption into the bloodstream from the skin.

Maca is something Doll would be more familiar with than me, but I believe it's considered an adaptogen, which is none of the above.

Maca works somewhere or other to help balance your hormone production... It isn't directly estrogenic, androgenic, or progestogenic, nor does it directly effect prolactin. It's adaptive effects CAN lead to more or less of any of the above.