(08-11-2012, 05:54)mochaccino Wrote: Quote: If it truly works as well as some of those B&A (I intended on using it at this point) - I have a suspicion of something that might be in it that could potentially be dangerous if consumed for a long period of time. Looking to see if I can confirm my hunch when I get my 1st packages by finding a testing lab prior to taking it. That isn't to say that I won't take it if my hunch is right but at least I'll know what is going on and make take an educated risk to continue.
Lookingforward2NBE, I've also been thinking a lot about that possibility, but I wasn't sure if I should mention it without first finding out more. Im actually really glad you brought it up.
As much as I like and support the thoughtful use of evidence based herbs and supplements, it's very uncommon for herbs and supplements to have such a massive effect on the body. Not that there are no exceptions to the rule. None the less, I agree that the degree and speed of the growth strongly suggests the use of some kind of drug or active hormone.
If you do decide to get some lab tests done (and I hope you do), how do you intend to go about it? In order to get them tested, I think you probably need to know exactly what you're looking for. I could be wrong, but I think you have to tell the lab exactly what chemical to test for. That really complicates things.
The first thing I'd personally want to test for is the presence of human estradiol in the Ladies PM, but Abidrew believes that a lab probably would not be able to tell the difference between human estradiol and the phytoestrogen in PM. Hopefully the lab will be able to tell you whether or not it's possible to differentiate between them.
The other thing I'd want to test for is the presence of HGH in the pig placenta (Whitex). I don't think it's been proven that taking HGH would necessarily increase breast growth, but it seems like a possibility, which is why I'm suggesting it. Placenta is commonly promoted as a supplement that increases HGH. Im not sure of the exact details behind that claim, but I wouldn't be too surprised if some companies pad their product with actual HGH.
Im not sure, what "secret ingredients" if any Puruoi might contain. Do you have any ideas?
These are just random suggestions from someone who hardly knows what she's talking about (meaning me 
) Maybe you have much better ideas for what to test for. Either way, I really hope you go through with the testing. On the other hand, if the tests come out clean for the chemical being tested, that doesn't necessarily mean that they don't contain some other drug or hormone. Oh well...
I personally do not believe it's the addition of a hormone - estradiol or otherwise within some brands of PM (most likely directly in the PM so most 3rd manufacturers ie pill and cream makers wouldn't even know). GH is very very expensive to produce and poorly absorbed orally or topically. Plus, continued use would lead to an insulin sensitivity issue and even potentially diabetes (if taken in significant doses). Personally, I believe this whole GH positioning is poorly understood by many and IMHO has very little to do with breast enhancement. So as far as I`m concerned, GH within Whitex is highly unlikely.
As long as you keep cortisol down and you get real deep sleep for 7+hrs continous sleep (5 REM cycles of GH production) without melatonin aid (anything about 1mg is very deterimental to nocturnal GH production) you`ll have plenty of Natural GH.
I personally feel it could potentially be a scenario like the Protein-Melamine situation a few years back in pet foods. A contaminant that has a potent effect at very very low levels and not detected on standard testing so a Ingredient Supplier who does care(and it`s often from China - I have many many direct dealings with them and their willy nilly altering of Certificates of Analysis is appauling
etc). Only problem for a user is, that its beyond cost prohibitive to investigate on a hunch or whim.
Add to the fact .. NBE is singificantly more complicated then many realize. I do think that some of Japanese womens results are real but diet plays a huge role as does some of their products and acceptance of eating certain foods North American`s feel is disgusting but often way more nutritous (chicken feet soup, organ meat, non-white meat cuts etc.) and significantly lower consumption of dairy (especially, another animals milk).
Collagen being probably one of the least understood and probably most important elements in NBE. If you can`t build glandular tissue, doesn`t matter how you boost phyto-estrogens prolactin and progestrone.. if the building blocks are thing to build the internal mammary structures.. its useless. I personally don`t buy into the MSM story for collagen production for NBE. The simplist.. is chicken feet, beef and pork nuckles etc. soup; with bones (marrow important) and ensure the addition of vinegar to leech out vitals from bones into the brooth.
I often read here people freely substituting really important elements of Chiyomilk and others programs (Nano collagen) and wondering why they are not getting the same results. There is a very wide range of collagen (shark, marine, chicken etc.) available and once again, saying collagen is collagen is collagen is a really big misnomer. I personally feel NBE should consist of a significant amount of `natural` low molecular weight collagen everyday. It will help with wrinkles and should help greatly.. along with Rooster Cone HA (hyaluronic acid). Plus Vitamin C.
That`s just one very very simple example of why I think many people are struggling with results but that is just one of developing hypothesis`.
Hot-Cold Deep Breast Tissue Massage and Fat Transfer Message is probably the next really significant step in their programs that is very often overlooked by members doing PM etc.
I`m not a fan just from basic physiology about Pumps being required or a good idea and could potentially be detrimental as the significant amount of pressue required to suction I feel is very damaging to the sensitive mammary structures and could even be leading to negative feedback mechanism that hinder growth. Why would your body establish mammary structures on a area of damage (pulling action creating void volumes) ---- makes no sense to me. It would lay fibrous thick structures to help deal with the distention. BUT THAT IS ONLY MY OPINION. I do not believe you want to harm your body in order to make it grow, your body will be in fight mode trying to bring your breast tissue back into the body versus trying to make it grow larger. Where designed to be a homostatic being.. ying yang idea. Reminds of the penis pumps to extend penis length but then men had very difficult times getting erections due to damaged ligaments and blood vessels.
Hynopsis or deep thought I believe could also be very useful and help by picturing your breasts growing. There is many well published well designed and supported research on the power of thought and its ability to alter disease and conditions etc.
With respect to BO or placenta.. I do feel there is something to it depending on what is holding back an individual from growing. Mainly..mRNA leading to upregulation of DNA and nothing to do with the actual protein ingestion associated with ovary or placenta etc. The placenta and ovaries is very interesting but how the dissecting is done is really important so that the mRNA-DNA and other cofactors are not denatured in the processing.
