[Zormad]

Jiberish...read the entire thread before posting lmfao. You guys are just starting to look ridiculous.

[jiberish]

Sorry if you thought it was an insult to you, I guess I could have worded it better heh. Just commenting on how well she knows the science of stuff. In many posts she proves to be very knowledgeable.

[Zormad]

I'm just gonna go ahead and plead the fifth from here on out.

[LookingForward2NBE]

Ooyyy veee...

@Abi:
My dad has no interest in extracting phytoestrogen lol. I'm a big girl, I will continue to research on my own, tis'n't hard if you're determined. And it often helps to use another country's search engine. Also, I don't have the same problem with grain alcohol as you do. But thanks! x) You too!


@LookingForward2NBE:
I will have to do my own research on whether that is true. I cannot find the ingredients for ainterol anywhere. And our country doesn't require all ingredients to be labeled. Only way to know for sure is make it yourself, or at least order from a site you have much experience with. But if that is true of propylene glycol, it is true of the others. Propylene is the only one I have a major issue with. I am buying my own bulk herbs to blend, I do not need anything besides the powdered root, that's precisely what I'm after. I am not buying a brand, I am buying from the distributor that sells to brands. Every powered form of anything that I have come across is called an extract...though there are no other ingredients. The only reason it is not as potent as liquid is because it hasn't gone through the alchemical process heating employs. I don't feel comfortable buying products either, that's why I'm making mine...and Chiyomilk's regiment is exactly what I've modeled my supplement plan after.
One of their powders is a blend...obviously I wasn't referring to this one. Which is why I linked the pure one. What do you mean "what active component"? If what you say is true, and liquid extract is 100% PM, that's THE ONLY ACTIVE COMPONENT. I plan on simply flushing with milk thistle once a month. And I'm dissolving the herbs in water...not taking capsules...big diff.

PM is not the active component. PM is the name of the plant, nothing more. Within the PM plant, there are numerous chemicals ie active ingredients. Easily 30 plus compounds that have differing physiological effects. Some of them are water soluble, some alcohol and maybe require p. Gycol to extract from the plant structure to purify and concentrate. Each unique.

As for PM and breast enhancement, its been postulated that 1 or more of the estrogen like substances that have been found in the PM plant MAY be the cause of breast enhancement when taken in high enough doses but not too high as to have unwanted side effects. That may well be the case but it could be an entirely different compound that hasn't been well characterized or is poorly controlled hence why a certain manufactured extract could be effective whereas another is ineffective.

NO formal research has been done to understand EXACTLY what is happening. You need synthetic derivatives tightly controlled to figure it out and then work backwards to figure out how much plant material is equivalent.

Home extracts ie tinctures are very crude processes compared to large scale manufacturing plants and for some plants good enough. Unfortunately for PM, getting pure extracts out isn't easily done at home.

PM has many health benefits outside of just breast enhancement and all those other health benefits can come from different active compounds. An active compound can be as simple as cellulose fiber to a compound that is only found at 0.01% ie in 1kg ie 10mgs a very very very small amount. 1 plant can be used for 10, 50, 100 different ailments depending on how its used (food, tea, raw vs. cooked, compress, injection, water extract, solvent extract, what part if the plant its used root skin, root internal bulb, stem, leaf, flower, pollen, age of plants to ensure high enough concentrate, organic wildcrafted vs. Inorganic in case of anti-oxidant potential where a stressed plant wildcraftes would produce more protective factors to survive vs. fertilized plants that wouldn't need the added protection so would be lower in anti-oxidants.

[LookingForward2NBE]

Ooyyy veee...

@Abi:
My dad has no interest in extracting phytoestrogen lol. I'm a big girl, I will continue to research on my own, tis'n't hard if you're determined. And it often helps to use another country's search engine. Also, I don't have the same problem with grain alcohol as you do. But thanks! x) You too!


@LookingForward2NBE:
I will have to do my own research on whether that is true. I cannot find the ingredients for ainterol anywhere. And our country doesn't require all ingredients to be labeled. Only way to know for sure is make it yourself, or at least order from a site you have much experience with. But if that is true of propylene glycol, it is true of the others. Propylene is the only one I have a major issue with. I am buying my own bulk herbs to blend, I do not need anything besides the powdered root, that's precisely what I'm after. I am not buying a brand, I am buying from the distributor that sells to brands. Every powered form of anything that I have come across is called an extract...though there are no other ingredients. The only reason it is not as potent as liquid is because it hasn't gone through the alchemical process heating employs. I don't feel comfortable buying products either, that's why I'm making mine...and Chiyomilk's regiment is exactly what I've modeled my supplement plan after.
One of their powders is a blend...obviously I wasn't referring to this one. Which is why I linked the pure one. What do you mean "what active component"? If what you say is true, and liquid extract is 100% PM, that's THE ONLY ACTIVE COMPONENT. I plan on simply flushing with milk thistle once a month. And I'm dissolving the herbs in water...not taking capsules...big diff.

If you're planning on making your own blend, I would strongly suggest that you buy your PM from multiple sources and blend them together 1st before adding other herbs. That way, you stand the best chance of having beneficial material in your final formula. Hedging your bets.

[Zormad]

Finding pure herbs really isn't that hard ladies...I've been doing it for years. What personal experience have you had that led to this suggestion? That sounds more rude than I intend; but from what I've read, it doesn't sound like anyone that's answered has had actual experience with the matter. Before NBE I mean, you can't just rely on those sources...they're biased...so much for the fifth amendment I guess, lol.

[JTX]

This has turned out to be a very entertaining thread.

Informative, too.

JTX

P.S. do I need to break out the boxing gloves? Or, are y'all going to use a Wii to settle this?

[Luxy]

Abi lays the science smack down!

This is a wonderful example of passive aggressive pot stirring. Welcome to Breastnexus, you'll see a lot of that here.

[Mono]

Hum well everyone can pass as a genius here, all you need is (love) google.

[jiberish]

I already apologized for wording my intentions badly.

I should have just said something like, Damn abi knows a lot of information.