[ab101bab]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puerariamirificarevealed.com%2Fsupport-files%2Fthe-ultimate-pueraria-mirifica-guide.pdf&ei=9HsAUrKdOYbmyQHuzYDABg&usg=AFQjCNFBPPwTdhWD9EVA4nB30nd0NQBXpw&sig2=Y7Fu_v96ANbMP-WBhSL7WA had to share .

[AbiDrew85]

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

[BonitaDDs]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puerariamirificarevealed.com%2Fsupport-files%2Fthe-ultimate-pueraria-mirifica-guide.pdf&ei=9HsAUrKdOYbmyQHuzYDABg&usg=AFQjCNFBPPwTdhWD9EVA4nB30nd0NQBXpw&sig2=Y7Fu_v96ANbMP-WBhSL7WA had to share .

This is good though especially for anyone wanting to try pm

[onesexybitch]

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

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please stop being rude and disrespectful to the members here-

My Patience "with you" has run out.

You "will " change your behavior here-- do you understand!- this type of behavior will no longer be tolerated-

you have been given notice-

your friend the bitch
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Lets stop attacking each other http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16057

[Shortcakekate]

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

-----------------------------
please stop being rude and disrespectful to the members here-

My Patience "with you" has run out.

You "will " change your behavior here-- do you understand!- this type of behavior will no longer be tolerated-

you have been given notice-

your friend the bitch
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Lets stop attacking each other http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16057

I agree. I came to this forum for info and to feel comfortable in a group that shares the same interest.. not to see other members get shot down for sharing info to try to help people. The closed minded Ness is overwhelming. I won't be sticking around for long if I keep encountering this.

[onesexybitch]

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

-----------------------------
please stop being rude and disrespectful to the members here-

My Patience "with you" has run out.

You "will " change your behavior here-- do you understand!- this type of behavior will no longer be tolerated-

you have been given notice-

your friend the bitch
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Lets stop attacking each other http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16057

I agree. I came to this forum for info and to feel comfortable in a group that shares the same interest.. not to see other members get shot down for sharing info to try to help people. The closed minded Ness is overwhelming. I won't be sticking around for long if I keep encountering this.

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This is the only group ( of its kind )where the management doesn't Censor what its members post.
So far they have put up with my shit!
This site also has a great number of very knowledgeable people whom you could learn a lot from. people like AbiDrew85

- I have never communicated with management here and i have no moderator powers. When i moderated on other sites I never banned anyone.
"You never want to loose a member"--
And not having any connection to this site gives me the ability to do more then if i was connected to it.

Give us a chance, stay - this group will only be what we make it to be.
This makes this our site, all of us, to do with it as we wish.
http://www.breastnexus.com/announcements.php?aid=1

[ab101bab]

It does give decent introductory information on pm great for starters extra info for users. it covers information from some light scientific studies as well as side effects and basic use. It is information that can be used by people starting. if you feel there is no reason for you to read it then don't waist my time with a negative response i posted for new commers and users wanting more information not for people who want to start causing unnecessary drama through out the forum. this is not JERRY SPRINGER BREAST NEXUS.

[Shortcakekate]

Its nice to have the freedom to say as we please you are absolutely correct, perhaps seeing more adult responses with useful feedback would be more helpful to those here to learn and share info :-).

[AbiDrew85]

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

-----------------------------
please stop being rude and disrespectful to the members here-

My Patience "with you" has run out.

You "will " change your behavior here-- do you understand!- this type of behavior will no longer be tolerated-

you have been given notice-

your friend the bitch
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Lets stop attacking each other http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16057

How was that post the least bit rude or disrespectful? I certainly didn't attack ab101bab, nor the writer of the document whether it was her or not. It was a statement of analyses of the document shared. Yes, it was extremely concise without any sugar coating, but I never have been one to sugar coat. Too much sugar's bad for you.

Your immediate attack on me, however, was extremely mean spirited and hadn't a single iota of respect.

But since you all asked...

The BIGGEST piece of information it's missing is the VERY COMMON side effect of PM of causing an insulin spike. Since PM doesn't have any sugars this insulin attacks your existing blood sugar and can cause very severe hypoglycemic reactions (they're usually mild though). All temporary and very easily taken care of by simply being sure to eat something with around a gram of sugar when you take PM if you find you are prone to the severe ones.

This is, IMO, VITAL information, ESPECIALLY for new users of PM. Yet that article never mentions it once despite repeating itself about benefits a number of times.

ANYONE could have written a much more complete AND concise guide to PM than that.

For someone who's so insistent that there's a lot of "selling" of PM going on, I would have thought OSB'd JUMP at the omission.

Then again, OSB doesn't seem to know much and really just seems to be spreading misinformation and consistently attacking anyone who presents any facts to the contrary.

I may be getting a bit curt as late, but that's due largely to suddenly having to deal with a flood of misinformation, correcting it where I can, so hopefully it won't destroy anyone's health.

Your absolute insistence that estrogen and only estrogen is responsible for breast growth is honestly quite tiring. As I've said any number of times, if that were true, MtF transsexuals would NEVER have to turn to breast augmentation surgery. Yet the numbers say that the vast majority, in fact, do. Without it they would barely be out of an A cup. At least. Those who follow a conventional estrogen and anti-androgen but NO progesterone HRT plan. Add progesterone and suddenly they're up to B's and C's. Add cycling of doses and... There's not enough statistical information to prove anything with regards to that, but what there is seems to indicate we could actually stand to get every bit as large as we want to.

That same insistence is also quite worrying. You obviously know nothing of the intricacies of female hormone balance. If estrogen and estrogen only is constantly high VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

Your insistence that boiling is the only way to remove plant toxins and that only the water insoluble parts of the plant are toxic is also quite troubling. If anyone else actually believes that they could wind up with some serious heavy metal poisoning because if there are heavy metals, they DON'T BOIL OUT. And heavy metals are extremely toxic. On the other hand, they're destroying the fiber which is extremely important for the proper functioning of our bodies waste and toxin removal.

And your insistence that nothing gets through the skin barrier isn't really all that troubling, but it certainly does say a lot about how outdated any knowledge you MIGHT have is. And it is somewhat troubling as well, because those toxins you're so on about? A lot of them get in through the skin. And even more get in under the nails. A lot of the makeup that many girls are wearing is killing them.

So yes. I might be getting a bit more curt than usual as late. But I'm ramping up my progesterone and my estrogens are falling, and when I do that my temper always does seem to get a bit shorter for some reason... And then there's YOU.

I'm sorry that the science behind NBE, nor even NBE itself, ain't simple. But it's NOT. Honestly nothing in this world is nearly so simple as humans tend to wish it to be.

The KISS principle isn't that things are naturally simple so you should keep it that way, it's that things are so infinitely complex that adding even just a single additional variable increases the complexity of a system by MANY times. Therefore, no matter how intelligent someone is, handling more than a few variables will MAKE them "stupid". So, keep it as simple as possible.

[TibetanPrincess]

don't worry abi I get you. A lot of the noobs coming here thinking they can just be spoon-fed information but it does not come so easily. I know what you were trying to say. Thanks for posting extra info missing from the article though you didn't need to. I think a lot of you new posters need to thoroughly research before posting things that have already been posted here, regarding certain herbs. There's just simply too much info going around based on somebody else's word. You've got to do the research yourself at the end of the day.

Ab101 is still new and onesexybitch so its obvious they may have became defensive on your response.

Nothing truly ultimate about that... It does provide a decent bit of starter knowledge but it's no where near complete.

At least as far as I could tell from my cursory scan through it there's no blatant misinformation... it just claims to be more than it is.

-----------------------------
please stop being rude and disrespectful to the members here-

My Patience "with you" has run out.

You "will " change your behavior here-- do you understand!- this type of behavior will no longer be tolerated-

you have been given notice-

your friend the bitch
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets stop attacking each other http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=16057

How was that post the least bit rude or disrespectful? I certainly didn't attack ab101bab, nor the writer of the document whether it was her or not. It was a statement of analyses of the document shared. Yes, it was extremely concise without any sugar coating, but I never have been one to sugar coat. Too much sugar's bad for you.

Your immediate attack on me, however, was extremely mean spirited and hadn't a single iota of respect.

But since you all asked...

The BIGGEST piece of information it's missing is the VERY COMMON side effect of PM of causing an insulin spike. Since PM doesn't have any sugars this insulin attacks your existing blood sugar and can cause very severe hypoglycemic reactions (they're usually mild though). All temporary and very easily taken care of by simply being sure to eat something with around a gram of sugar when you take PM if you find you are prone to the severe ones.

This is, IMO, VITAL information, ESPECIALLY for new users of PM. Yet that article never mentions it once despite repeating itself about benefits a number of times.

ANYONE could have written a much more complete AND concise guide to PM than that.

For someone who's so insistent that there's a lot of "selling" of PM going on, I would have thought OSB'd JUMP at the omission.

Then again, OSB doesn't seem to know much and really just seems to be spreading misinformation and consistently attacking anyone who presents any facts to the contrary.

I may be getting a bit curt as late, but that's due largely to suddenly having to deal with a flood of misinformation, correcting it where I can, so hopefully it won't destroy anyone's health.

Your absolute insistence that estrogen and only estrogen is responsible for breast growth is honestly quite tiring. As I've said any number of times, if that were true, MtF transsexuals would NEVER have to turn to breast augmentation surgery. Yet the numbers say that the vast majority, in fact, do. Without it they would barely be out of an A cup. At least. Those who follow a conventional estrogen and anti-androgen but NO progesterone HRT plan. Add progesterone and suddenly they're up to B's and C's. Add cycling of doses and... There's not enough statistical information to prove anything with regards to that, but what there is seems to indicate we could actually stand to get every bit as large as we want to.

That same insistence is also quite worrying. You obviously know nothing of the intricacies of female hormone balance. If estrogen and estrogen only is constantly high VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

Your insistence that boiling is the only way to remove plant toxins and that only the water insoluble parts of the plant are toxic is also quite troubling. If anyone else actually believes that they could wind up with some serious heavy metal poisoning because if there are heavy metals, they DON'T BOIL OUT. And heavy metals are extremely toxic. On the other hand, they're destroying the fiber which is extremely important for the proper functioning of our bodies waste and toxin removal.

And your insistence that nothing gets through the skin barrier isn't really all that troubling, but it certainly does say a lot about how outdated any knowledge you MIGHT have is. And it is somewhat troubling as well, because those toxins you're so on about? A lot of them get in through the skin. And even more get in under the nails. A lot of the makeup that many girls are wearing is killing them.

So yes. I might be getting a bit more curt than usual as late. But I'm ramping up my progesterone and my estrogens are falling, and when I do that my temper always does seem to get a bit shorter for some reason... And then there's YOU.

I'm sorry that the science behind NBE, nor even NBE itself, ain't simple. But it's NOT. Honestly nothing in this world is nearly so simple as humans tend to wish it to be.

The KISS principle isn't that things are naturally simple so you should keep it that way, it's that things are so infinitely complex that adding even just a single additional variable increases the complexity of a system by MANY times. Therefore, no matter how intelligent someone is, handling more than a few variables will MAKE them "stupid". So, keep it as simple as possible.