[lora]

of course the hormones balancing is a must to get dramatic breast growth and i wanna tell you something no growth at all without estrogen . estrogen is the hormone responsible for breast growth . but what if your body is not responding to estrogen ?(the estrogen dominance ) even if you have much of it in your body it will be useless . you must re-sensitize your body to estrogen (getting red of E dominance ), but i don't prefer waiting growing boobs until you do this, so just do the things in your hands now, which are controlling your body response to estrogen with hypnosis, massage, pc, EPO and the must DIM .
but you have to do a hormones test first , i prefer blood test in a lab .
you should do estradiol (the bad type of estrogen ) , progesterone , prolactin , and testosterone if you feel you need it .
wish you a lot of luck

[djt-d]

Hi Ellacraig
Thank you - pls let us know how you get on with Naturesday.
How long have you been taking EPO? And what dosage?
I've just ordered some EPO now, 1000g 3x a day at 10% GLA, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed I will get some growth.
I just need to get my hormones tested, still trying to find where I can go for one. I've see Dr Lee's but not sure which I choose which will test all the relevant hormones I need testing for NBE - do you know? Have you had a hormone test done? Where did you get it from? Thanks.

[djt-d]

Hi Lora
I've done 2 different hypnosis - both at the recommended 12 weeks and got no results.
I've been massaging now for just under 4 months, again no results. (I just have a very small fullness, which I can feel when i cup my hands over my breasts, but there is no visual change or growth).
Is PC progestrone cream? I don't want to use this yet as I don't know if I have got any hormone imbalances - I am still trying to find out where to get tested.
What is DIM?
I've just ordered some EPO today to get started, and once I get my hormones tested I can see what needs to be done.

[lora]

Hi Lora
I've done 2 different hypnosis - both at the recommended 12 weeks and got no results.
I've been massaging now for just under 4 months, again no results. (I just have a very small fullness, which I can feel when i cup my hands over my breasts, but there is no visual change or growth).
Is PC progestrone cream? I don't want to use this yet as I don't know if I have got any hormone imbalances - I am still trying to find out where to get tested.
What is DIM?
I've just ordered some EPO today to get started, and once I get my hormones tested I can see what needs to be done.

nothing will give you any dramatic growth without curing your E dominance and yes pc is progesterone cream .
and just read this to know more about E dominance and DIM
it's a post of me .

ok, my plan to overcome this bad type of E dominant will be based on,


1) Improve Gastrointestinal Health :
by eating adequate fiber and include lignans in the diet, including flax, leafy greens, and bran (oat, rye, barley—if you’re not gluten-free). A probiotic is essential because it will increase the “good bacteria” in the gut and support neurotransmitter function.
(anyone knows what's the probiotic ?)


2) Improve Diet With Low Carb, High-Protein, Omega-3 Fats :
Getting your carbs from vegetable and fruit sources will provide the lignans and fiber needed for gut health and increase antioxidant levels, which can abolish free radicals that produced by estrogen that goes down the C-16 pathway.

Omega-3 fats, which are found in fish, have been shown to promote the C-2 pathway over the 16 pathway, particularly EPA omega-3 fatty acids.
supplementation with a high concentration of EPA and DHA fish oil daily is recommended for estrogen metabolism.

low protein diets have been shown to decrease activity of something called cytochrome P450 that detoxifies estrogen. The amino acids lysine and threonine have been shown to support liver function and since estrogen is metabolized by the liver,Lysine and threonine are found in meat, fish, beans, eggs, and some seeds (sesame, fenugreek). Sesame seeds also provide fiber and fenugreek helps lower the insulin response to carbs, making both good additions to your diet.


3) Use Phytoestrogens To Promote the C-2 Pathway
Include foods with phytoestrogens in your diet because they will take natural and chemical estrogens out of play in the body. Phytoestrogens are plant-based compounds that can bind to estrogen receptors, but they have about 1/1000th of the effect on the body as real or chemical estrogen. When phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors they basically take up the parking sport of the true estrogen, and keep it from exerting its effect.

Lignans and isoflavones are the main phytoestrogens, and in addition to binding with estrogen receptors, they can increase SHBG levels (protects the body by binding to estrogen), decrease aromatase (prevents testosterone turning into estrogen), and shift metabolism of estrogen away from the C-16 pathway to the C-2 pathway (the safer pathway).

The best phytoestrogens to include in the diet are flax, sesame, leafy greens, kudzu, alfalfa, clover, licorice root, and legumes. Greens, flax, and sesame can be easily added to the diet, and the others can be supplemented to support estrogen detoxification.


4) Block Aromatase and Stop Testosterone From Turning into Estrogen:
Nutrients that have a proven effect on aromatase include selenium, melatonin, zinc, green tea, and citrus flavonones—substances found in orange and grapefruit rinds along with tomato skins. You can include these in your diet and take a supplement for best results.


5) Improve Estrogen Metabolism By Promoting the C-2 Pathway :
Key nutrients for supporting the C-2 pathway are EPA fish oils, phytoestrogens, and of special importance, B vitamins and a substance called DIM. The B vitamins, particularly B6, B12, and folic acid promote the C-2 pathway. B6 is also known to decrease gene activity once estrogen is bound to a receptor, meaning this vitamin can inhibit cell damage and cancer development.

DIM is a compound found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli and cauliflower.

6) Ensure Complete Elimination of Estrogen :
Once you shift your estrogen elimination to the C-2 pathway you have to make sure it gets excreted from the body. Two things can happen along the way out that cause big problems. First, estrogen that is heading down the C-2 pathway can be easily turned into something called quinones, which are “highly reactive” and can damage DNA and cause cancer.

In order to avoid the production of quinones you must have adequate amounts of two nutrients—magnesium and something called SAM. This process of metabolizing estrogen to avoid quinones is called methylation and is the first place that things can go wrong on the estrogen detox pathway. Another notable antioxidant that can support damage to the body by estrogen quinones is alpha lipoic acid, which I mention here because it is one of my favorites and has many health benefits.

As estrogen is heading out of the intestine, it needs to be bound to glucuronic acid, but there is a “bad” intestinal bacteria that contains an enzyme that breaks estrogen apart from the glucuronic acid. This is the second place estrogen detoxification can go wrong. When the “bad” bacteria, called glucouronidase, uncouples the bond between estrogen and glucuronic acid, estrogen re-enters circulation, effectively raising estrogen levels in the body and damaging tissue. To avoid this, you need a healthy gut as mentioned in #1, which you can get by taking a probiotic, and eating lots of fiber and lignans.


7) Supplement With Essential Nutrients
To review, the essential nutrients to help detoxify estrogen are the B vitamins, zinc, omega-3 fish oils, DIM (nutrient found in cruciferous vegetables), green tea, magnesium, selenium, and melatonin. The only nutrient I haven’t already mentioned is vitamin E, which is a potent antioxidant.

Magnesium plays a role inmethylation, or that final phase of estrogen excretion mentioned in #7.I call your attention to it here because almost everyone needs to supplement with magnesium because people are chronically deficient. Athletes and strength trainees are especially susceptible to low magnesium because this nutrient plays a role in muscle contractions. Low vitamin E is associated with elevated estrogen and it has been shown to inhibit the growth of breast and prostate cancer cells.

[EllaC]

Hi Lora
I've done 2 different hypnosis - both at the recommended 12 weeks and got no results.
I've been massaging now for just under 4 months, again no results. (I just have a very small fullness, which I can feel when i cup my hands over my breasts, but there is no visual change or growth).
Is PC progestrone cream? I don't want to use this yet as I don't know if I have got any hormone imbalances - I am still trying to find out where to get tested.
What is DIM?
I've just ordered some EPO today to get started, and once I get my hormones tested I can see what needs to be done.

nothing will give you any dramatic growth without curing your E dominance and yes pc is progesterone cream .
and just read this to know more about E dominance and DIM
it's a post of me .

ok, my plan to overcome this bad type of E dominant will be based on,


1) Improve Gastrointestinal Health :
by eating adequate fiber and include lignans in the diet, including flax, leafy greens, and bran (oat, rye, barley—if you’re not gluten-free). A probiotic is essential because it will increase the “good bacteria” in the gut and support neurotransmitter function.
(anyone knows what's the probiotic ?)


2) Improve Diet With Low Carb, High-Protein, Omega-3 Fats :
Getting your carbs from vegetable and fruit sources will provide the lignans and fiber needed for gut health and increase antioxidant levels, which can abolish free radicals that produced by estrogen that goes down the C-16 pathway.

Omega-3 fats, which are found in fish, have been shown to promote the C-2 pathway over the 16 pathway, particularly EPA omega-3 fatty acids.
supplementation with a high concentration of EPA and DHA fish oil daily is recommended for estrogen metabolism.

low protein diets have been shown to decrease activity of something called cytochrome P450 that detoxifies estrogen. The amino acids lysine and threonine have been shown to support liver function and since estrogen is metabolized by the liver,Lysine and threonine are found in meat, fish, beans, eggs, and some seeds (sesame, fenugreek). Sesame seeds also provide fiber and fenugreek helps lower the insulin response to carbs, making both good additions to your diet.


3) Use Phytoestrogens To Promote the C-2 Pathway
Include foods with phytoestrogens in your diet because they will take natural and chemical estrogens out of play in the body. Phytoestrogens are plant-based compounds that can bind to estrogen receptors, but they have about 1/1000th of the effect on the body as real or chemical estrogen. When phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors they basically take up the parking sport of the true estrogen, and keep it from exerting its effect.

Lignans and isoflavones are the main phytoestrogens, and in addition to binding with estrogen receptors, they can increase SHBG levels (protects the body by binding to estrogen), decrease aromatase (prevents testosterone turning into estrogen), and shift metabolism of estrogen away from the C-16 pathway to the C-2 pathway (the safer pathway).

The best phytoestrogens to include in the diet are flax, sesame, leafy greens, kudzu, alfalfa, clover, licorice root, and legumes. Greens, flax, and sesame can be easily added to the diet, and the others can be supplemented to support estrogen detoxification.


4) Block Aromatase and Stop Testosterone From Turning into Estrogen:
Nutrients that have a proven effect on aromatase include selenium, melatonin, zinc, green tea, and citrus flavonones—substances found in orange and grapefruit rinds along with tomato skins. You can include these in your diet and take a supplement for best results.


5) Improve Estrogen Metabolism By Promoting the C-2 Pathway :
Key nutrients for supporting the C-2 pathway are EPA fish oils, phytoestrogens, and of special importance, B vitamins and a substance called DIM. The B vitamins, particularly B6, B12, and folic acid promote the C-2 pathway. B6 is also known to decrease gene activity once estrogen is bound to a receptor, meaning this vitamin can inhibit cell damage and cancer development.

DIM is a compound found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli and cauliflower.

6) Ensure Complete Elimination of Estrogen :
Once you shift your estrogen elimination to the C-2 pathway you have to make sure it gets excreted from the body. Two things can happen along the way out that cause big problems. First, estrogen that is heading down the C-2 pathway can be easily turned into something called quinones, which are “highly reactive” and can damage DNA and cause cancer.

In order to avoid the production of quinones you must have adequate amounts of two nutrients—magnesium and something called SAM. This process of metabolizing estrogen to avoid quinones is called methylation and is the first place that things can go wrong on the estrogen detox pathway. Another notable antioxidant that can support damage to the body by estrogen quinones is alpha lipoic acid, which I mention here because it is one of my favorites and has many health benefits.

As estrogen is heading out of the intestine, it needs to be bound to glucuronic acid, but there is a “bad” intestinal bacteria that contains an enzyme that breaks estrogen apart from the glucuronic acid. This is the second place estrogen detoxification can go wrong. When the “bad” bacteria, called glucouronidase, uncouples the bond between estrogen and glucuronic acid, estrogen re-enters circulation, effectively raising estrogen levels in the body and damaging tissue. To avoid this, you need a healthy gut as mentioned in #1, which you can get by taking a probiotic, and eating lots of fiber and lignans.


7) Supplement With Essential Nutrients
To review, the essential nutrients to help detoxify estrogen are the B vitamins, zinc, omega-3 fish oils, DIM (nutrient found in cruciferous vegetables), green tea, magnesium, selenium, and melatonin. The only nutrient I haven’t already mentioned is vitamin E, which is a potent antioxidant.

Magnesium plays a role inmethylation, or that final phase of estrogen excretion mentioned in #7.I call your attention to it here because almost everyone needs to supplement with magnesium because people are chronically deficient. Athletes and strength trainees are especially susceptible to low magnesium because this nutrient plays a role in muscle contractions. Low vitamin E is associated with elevated estrogen and it has been shown to inhibit the growth of breast and prostate cancer cells.

hi lora. please forgive my asking as I know im out of my depth when it comes to hormones (ever since being on breastnexus).
but for the likes of us who HAVENT had our hormones checked prior to trying herbal NBE, if some of us did have high bad estrogen levels (unknowingly) would the use of phyto estrogenic herbs amplify the effects of the "bad estrogens" ?
secondly is there any benefit to taking the likes of DIM to try and flush out the bad estros whilst currently on a programme consisting of phytoestrogens or would you in turn flush out the phytoestrogens at the same time?
I mention all this as it seems the commonly used herbal breast enlargement programmes all seem to focus on increasing phytoestrogen levels to increase the bust.
I realise now there's more to it now but I've already started

If you cant answer this that's fine but I though id ask. Thanks.

[djt-d]

Wow Lora, that's a lot of information and knowledge, and I'm sorry to say, but I haven't got a clue what it means, it is totally over my head, I just don't understand it.

[EllaC]

Wow Lora, that's a lot of information and knowledge, and I'm sorry to say, but I haven't got a clue what it means, it is totally over my head, I just don't understand it.

there is more than just one type of estrogen (3 I believe), I never knew this until I got a book out on hormones. if you are high in the bad type of estrogen (estradiol) as lora said you need to level it out or you could be playing with breast cancer. I myself am a tool and haven't had my hormones checked but I plan to do so very soon before I spend too long on my herbal programme.

SOOO get your levels checked before starting so you're not running a risk of BC later on in life- YES I NEED TO HEED MY OWN ADVICE

in my country the doctors may do it for you (hormone testing), just tell them you suspect your hormones are out because you have horrific period problems etc etc (they cant say no to you if you say that)

or see if you can order one online - very expensive at least in my country but worth it.

that said I think you're not doing a herbal programme are you, so EPO might be ok (ask a health shop) or do what im doing, im incorporating a lot of veggies in my diet, the type that help with bad estrgens like broccilli, cabbage kale etc etc OR as lora says take DIM supplement which is the ingrediants that you would get in leafy greens like the above but just in pill form.

hope this all makes sense and ive got my fact straight - sorry for butting in lora. I have copied and pasted this info you shared - thank you for that info

[djt-d]

Hi Ellacraig
Thank you, I understand now.
Yes, I'm wanting to get my hormones checked, but finding it difficult at the moment. I thought you had one test that tested all the hormones, but it seems you choose just one hormone to get checked, so it's going to work out very expensive checking each and every hormone.
I don't know whether I'm high in estradiol, or if I've any other hormonal imbalances, that's why I'm wanting to get tested, but as I said above, I just don't know how to go about it. And until I get tested I can't take any herbs and it's frustrating, I want to get on with it, but I can't.
All I do at the moment is massage and take multi-vitamins. I'm waiting on my order of EPO and Omega-3, which I will start taking as soon as they arrive.

[lora]

Wow Lora, that's a lot of information and knowledge, and I'm sorry to say, but I haven't got a clue what it means, it is totally over my head, I just don't understand it.

there is more than just one type of estrogen (3 I believe), I never knew this until I got a book out on hormones. if you are high in the bad type of estrogen (estradiol) as lora said you need to level it out or you could be playing with breast cancer. I myself am a tool and haven't had my hormones checked but I plan to do so very soon before I spend too long on my herbal programme.

SOOO get your levels checked before starting so you're not running a risk of BC later on in life- YES I NEED TO HEED MY OWN ADVICE

in my country the doctors may do it for you (hormone testing), just tell them you suspect your hormones are out because you have horrific period problems etc etc (they cant say no to you if you say that)

or see if you can order one online - very expensive at least in my country but worth it.

that said I think you're not doing a herbal programme are you, so EPO might be ok (ask a health shop) or do what im doing, im incorporating a lot of veggies in my diet, the type that help with bad estrgens like broccilli, cabbage kale etc etc OR as lora says take DIM supplement which is the ingrediants that you would get in leafy greens like the above but just in pill form.

hope this all makes sense and ive got my fact straight - sorry for butting in lora. I have copied and pasted this info you shared - thank you for that info

you are welcome honey , and i think dim is useful all the time, it's just affecting the bad type and keep on the good type of estrogen ,
phyto must be with great high caution , it must be the most weak phyto and with very low dose

[peggy]

Hey girls, how are you doing? Are you still taking evening primrose oil? If yes, which dosage? Did you notice any effects from it?