[little mandarins]

Hi everyone, I'm new to all this but I've been reading this forum for a while now and I've learn't so much already, but alot of information is just so confusing I've been doing NBE for 2-3 months now and my current stats are:

Age: 35
Under breast: 26"
Over breast: 30"
Cup: must be a small A
Height: 157cm
Weight: 48kg
Ethnic: Asian
I've breastfed 2 babies although was a while ago now, but the little bit of fullness I used to have is completely gone

I'm currently experimenting with PM, FG, SP and WY with massaging twice a day.

For the first cycle I took PM only (2 tabs at nite (each 250mg)) and massaged with PM cream twice a day with no breaks. I got my period on time but then I read about having to have breaks and cycling PM so that you still ovulate, so the next cycle I took 2 PM tabs morning and nite from days 7-14 and just used the PM cream during the luteal phase, but I lost the a little bit of the fullness I had achieved (not much for growth tho).

So I decided to take some herbs during the luteal phase 2 to try stop this from happening.

Currently I am taking:
Morning - days 5-13
2 x PM (500mg)
2 x Hyaluronic Acid with MSN
Collagen type 1 & 3
2 x vit c

nite after dinner
2 x Haluronic Acid
Fish Oil 1000mg
EPO 3000mg
Vit D

before bed
2 x PM (500mg)

Morning - Days 14-day 5
1 x WY 850mg
1x FG 1000mg
1 x SP 1600mg
collagen type 1 & 3
2 x vit C
2 x Hyaluronic Acid with MSN

Arvo
1 x FG 1000mg

Nite after dinner
1 x WY 850mg
1x FG 1000mg
1 x SP 1600mg
2 x Hyaluronic Acid with MSN

Before bed
Fish oil 1000mg
EPO 3000mg
vit D

Plus massaging twice daily. Currently I have had no growth whatsoever, I got the most from when I just started with massages only and no herbs, but that slowly went away, and now although they are a little more firm and round now, they have not grown and they do not swell, not even when I do the massages.

I'm wondering whether I have stalled or am I not doing the massages correctly. I just do smooth circles around my entire breast, not sure if they should be going up the cleavage or down the cleavage, or does it not matter? I'm also using PM cream, but seems nothing is working so far.

If anyone can please give me any advice on what I'm doing wrong or what more or less I should be adding/removing from my program would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry about having to have wrote a novel here

[lled34aa]

everyone is different. i take people who say they grew a few cups in a year with a grain of salt. i am asian, small breasted, and it's taken me 6 months on PM to grow just a little. i would give it some time for the estrogen to build up in your system.

since you've breast fed before, you might want to give noogleberry a try. seems it works best with moms whose breasts were bigger at one point.

best of luck.

[little mandarins]

Thank you for your advice lled34aa, maybe I will consider adding NB if all fails. I've noticed that alot of people are taking Goat Rue with their PM, I might have a look into this as well, also I am thinking of adding vitex during luteal phase. Not sure if I am over doing it abit or not tho

I guess flat chested asians take a longer time to see results, just gets a bit frustrating when nothing is happening up there.

So what kind of program are you on and what growth have you had so far? Did you get swelling after massaging and did you have growth pains?? sorry about all these questions

[lled34aa]

trust me, i understand how frustrating it is. i started NBE october 2010, and in may 2011, i made zero progress. i've changed my program a million times! you can read all the ups and downs on my program page here http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=6893&page=14

right now, i am doing a cleanse since i've been on PM for 6 months. after the cleanse, i'm going back on PM + goats rue + hops.

i've only grown a little bit. it was very frustrating at the beginning. but now, the way i see it, any growth is better than no growth.

[little mandarins]

wow, you really have been through alot, thanx for the link, it was really interesting and encouraging to read, at least I know that its normal and there is still hope

I just thought that since I wasn't getting any soreness or any tingles in my breasts, that mean't that I wasn't getting any growth, so it is really good to know that they don't have to have those effects to grow

Guess I need to be more persistent and patient for my growth, seeing others quick growth makes me really envious.

Your growth is looking really good 2, congratulations! Your boobies look the same as mine, maybe I will keep referring to your thread for more ideas along the way

Currently my program is similar to Gorgeous Blonde's coz she seems to have had good growth with what she was doing.

I was kind of lost and frustrated with the lack of progress I was getting, becoz I remember when I first started massaging (with no herbs yet), my boobies seemed to have grown abit and was really full and heavy, but then after a while, they shrunk back down and have stayed like that ever since, even though I started on the herbs

Patience and persistence, patience and persistence, patience and persistence

[jiberish]

My wife is asian, just doing it for 15 days after her period per month, on 1050mg of PM + cream + massage and up 5cm in 2 months.

Are you eating enough?
It would be hard to grown on a low calorie diet. Don't forget your protein

[little mandarins]

Hello Jiberish, thats great to hear that your wife is getting good progress. So she doesn't need to stop for ovulation on day 14 of her cycle and then start again around day 19? Just that I've read a few posts here that feel that doing that was necessary so I was going to try that during this cycle. Its really confusing with all this cycling etc with PM.

Now I'm on day 21 of my cycle and taking 2 x PM morning and nite (total 1000mg) 4 x HA tabs, fish oil 3 x EPO 2 x vit c, vit D and collagen. I will stop PM on day 23 and then start FG, SP and WY until day 5.

I think that I am eating enough, I'm not on a low calorie diet, although I am a small frame, I do eat what ever I want, so I hope that that would be good enough for my boobie growth I've read alot about others adding protein shakes and growth hormone in their programs, its really interesting what so many other things you can take, but really confusing at the same time

I still don't have any swelling, tingles or aches n pains, just absolutely no response up there throughout the cycle, maybe a tinsy bit lumpy at one stage but thats about it ....... really hope they will show me some kind of indication that they are responding to the program soon

[jul]

hello,

Be patient.... i try so many thing....try many different product and got no result.... ive change my PM brand cause i learn after almost a year that is was not pure..... Everyone is different and tiny woman with small frame ( like me im 4 11' and 90 lbs) took more time to grow because of the fat tissus.....Just like you im confuse with the program i should use so just to let you know your not the only one....

i just start my new program so i cannot see result yet but there are so many woman here who got result that it give hope..

I know that cycling is also confusing but there post here that can help you know what to take and when... Ginie has good info about it.

Its been almost 3 years that i try to grow but i just got the wrong product....So my advice read read read and u always can ask people here what they think.....
I did many reseach and went at all kind of naturel product store here and nobody knows PM so the best way to get anwser is here...

Wish you good luck and i keep updating my progress soon

jul

[lled34aa]

jul, have you grown in the past 3 years? if so, how much?

[little mandarins]

Hi Jul,
thank you for your encouragement, I will keep trying

So how did you know that your PM was not pure and what brand are you using now?? I'm not so sure about my one either, it has a strong spicy smell, I got it off ebay, they said that it was pure and it sounded good so I thought I'd try it. Alot of people say that good PM should be a off white colour so I opened a capsule to have a look and it looks a little light browny, so not sure if its any good or not, its called M Brand?

When I'm finished, maybe I'll try Siriporn or something.

3 years is quite a long time, did you have any growth? if so how much? and what is your current program?? Have you considered to add protein shake like others I've read on this forum becoz of your small frame and weight? Its probably something that I am going to consider.

Yes I love this forum, its really informative and interesting.

Please do update me on your progress