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Grain Mold
May 13 2008 at 6:32 PM curious (no login)

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Now, I've read bits and pieces about how women in the U.K. and possibly in China experienced unexpected breast growth when they ate grains that were infected with mold (hence hops and probably barleys initial introduction into NBE). That problem was cleaned up, blah blah blah, but not much is heard about this mold anymore. Fusarium, it's called. I assume it must be dangerous to ingest or this would be cultivated and sold for NBE purposes, but I don't seem to find anything about that either. Any thoughts? Anyone else know more about this?




Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS Re: Grain Mold May 13 2008, 7:43 PM


Some species of fusarium are bad for you, others not bad at all. Fusarium venenatum is produced as a food by Marlow Foods company and is sold under the brand name 'Quorn' in Europe and North America.






curious
(no login) Re: Grain Mold May 14 2008, 6:54 AM


Thanks for the info, Molly. It looks like the fusarium strain in Quorn doesn't produce zaeralenone, which is what causes the breast side effects I've heard about. I've read a bit more about zaeralenone, and apparently it's highly estrogenic. There's a bit more about it here:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article...tid=143629

It mentions that this stuff is the cause of premature puberty syndrome in humans, but not much else besides causing other stuff in farm animals, granted some frightening stuff in animals.




jackie
(Login classyfashh) Re: Grain Mold May 15 2008, 4:55 PM


Hmmm... can this even be purchased anywhere? It sounds promising and fast-acting.

[surferjoe2007]

It is very estrogenic and very effective. It's also very breast cancer causing. Yes it is dangerous.

Hops has phytoestrogens and is helpful for safer reasons. Barley doesn't have much estrogenic effect AFAIK.

Many plants contain anti-cancer substances and/or have weaker phytoestrogens so they aren't as cancer causing and/or block the stronger estrogens that would have made cancer worse. We may take it for granted how dangerous real estrogen is with all these plants that mitigate many of the negative effects of estrogen. Lack of estrogen is why breast cancer is rare in males. Birth control and HRT OTOH is carefully regulated an dose limited because unlike herbs thousands or millions of people can die from carelessness with these. Fusarium doesn't have these helpful molecules. If plants were this bad then you would be hearing a lot of life threatening cancer horror stories and many deaths, but instead you hear of a bit of discomfort sometimes and rarely some hospitalization.

[L^te Bloomer]

Fungi metabolites can be extremely toxic and should be treated with caution. One such molecule can effectively shut off sugar uptake in humans if introduced into the body. L^te