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HGH
June 3 2005 at 4:32 PM 74777  (no login)
does anyone have any information regarding the use of HGH (human growth hormone) as a BE method?




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Re: HGH
June 28 2005, 8:46 PM

I understand that hGH is needed in normal breast growth. The body releases it natural during sleep, but as we age the amount produced is decreased. It may be a good idea for women over 30 to add it to their BE routine if they are not noticing growth after a time. Or it may help to take a dose of the herbs 30 minutes before bedtime to take advantage of the natural release of hGH during sleep.

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Growth hormone
November 26 2006 at 11:06 PM
unhappy80 (Login unhappy80)
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Hi!
I'd like to ask something about Growth hormone. Is there anyone who know does taking Growth hormone help for breast enlargement? I think I will start taking it but I'm not sure. (I found this product on botanical beauty lab site.)
Because I read that Growth hormone pills contain L-arginine and L-ornithine. This material transform the fat in human body to muscle. For example People who do body building take this to make more muscle in their body. So I thought that maybe Growth hormone can make a negative effect for breast enlargement.
please give me some advice!
Also I'd like to ask you that Can I found eostrogen hormone as pills to buy?
take care of you.



waxingmoon
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Re: PLEASE HELP
November 27 2006, 4:44 AM

What they are selling at Botanical Beauty Labs is an amino acid supplement that is supposed to stimulate your bodies production of growth hormone. As far as I know this will not interfere with growing your breasts. It may not help much either.

As far as the hormone estrogen, without a prescription it is unlikely you will find it for sale - and a good thing too. The hormone estrogen when taken alone is known to cause cancers. Birth control pills mix estrogen and progesterone in order to ward off the cancer causing effect of estrogen. The only time a women will be prescribed estrogen alone is if she has had a hysterectomy.

You would be much better off checking out phytoestrogens found in several of the herbs that are listed on the herb section of the main forum. Phytoestrogens can produce estrogen effects without the risk associated with the hormone estrogen.

Another way to increase estrogen and progesterone would be to use Bovine Ovary supplements. You can read about that in the main page under the bovine ovary forum.

Best wishes,
Waxingmoon




Miss Monet
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Re: PLEASE HELP
November 27 2006, 9:18 AM

Not to dismiss your advice, Waxingmoon, but how do we know for sure that phytoestrogens don't produce the same cancerous effects or risks of real estrogen? Especially if one is on birth control, wouldn't adding more estrogen (even if it's "pseudo estrogen") unbalance the estrogen/progesterone ratio that the birth control pills establish and thus create a risk for breast cancer cell development?

Also, wouldn't Bovine Ovary's increase of estrogen/progesterone also increase the side effects that higher levels of estrogen/progesterone produce?

Sorry, but lately I've just been super concerned with breast cancer and just negative side effects in general that could develop from NBE. I mean, we really don't know how we're going to be several years down the line. We could be perfectly fine now and perhaps in a year or two, but what if 3 years down the line we develop breast cancer and it was all because of our hormone manipulation?

These thoughts have really been bothering me lately... I'm going to go talk to my birth control doctor about them first thing tomorrow morning (if I can).



waxingmoon
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Re: PLEASE HELP
November 27 2006, 2:44 PM

Miss Monet,

I happen to also be leary of phytoestrogens and of the increase provided by BO. There is however no evidence that states these things cause cancer. There is abundant evidence against the hormone estrogen.

Those who are trying NBE are involved in an experiment where medical science has not bothered to look. There is a lot of mis-information and limited information available. Some are willing to try practically anything in order to achieve the results they want. Of course this has to be balanced with the knowledge that surgical breast augmentation may be a greater impact on the person's health, so perhaps using herbs is the lesser of two evils.

Each person owes it to themselves to do as much research as possible on what they are taking in order to lower their health risk. This forum can be a great tool for those who want to know more. Remember, your health is your greatest wealth - and if you lose it, you won't care how large your breasts are.

My response above was an endeavor to inform a person for whom it seems english is not their primary language. I wanted to encourage her to look further and to warn her away from the most likely threat to her health - the hormone estrogen.

I am really glad you responded. It will give many people pause to think things through.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

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Moon - Growth Hormone
March 11 2008 at 5:52 AM Louise (Login Louise1982)
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Moon, do you know if the nightly peak in growth hormone is bought on by going to sleep / darkness / lateness or some other mechanism? If we wake up then go back to sleep do we get another peak? What about napping in the day?

How long are you doing your growth magnet sessions for?




Moon
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 11 2008, 7:33 PM

The science is not 100% certain what is the mechanism behind the nightly GH peak, but as it is observed during sleep, sleep is a good cancdidate for the main trigger. I was able to find a study that showed that the nightly GH secretion was decreased in rats when light was present, so darkness is an important factor too. Lateness also plays a role, tho smaller than the other two. A more accurate term to refer to it in relation to GH would be the circadian rhythm - the cyclic activity of many hormones and physiological functions that is regulated with light. The night phase of this rhythm has the optimal circumstances for GH release.

Another study performed on night workers and day-active people showed that night workers release less GH during their sleep, but this was compensated for with ''large individual pulses occuring unpredictably during the day''. I don't know whether this means that the frequency of pulses was increased. And that's important, because apparently the scientists aren't in total agreement as to how many GH peaks per day is most effective. Some studies on rats have shown that 4-6 peaks are optimal, and less growth occurred with 10 peaks per day. This might mean that the adaptation (if it's with increased frequency) can't be entirely effective. I'm also thinking that this adaptation is only possible if the change in sleeping habbits is constant, like with night workers, but when one has a very variable sleeping pattern is when the overall GH secretion may actually be reduced.

A few more interesting bits of info I found are that high light exposure during the day increases the nightly GH peak (btw, this peak accounts for more than 50% of total 24-h GH), that the daily secretion of GH increases in the time of the year when the day is becoming longer (speaks in favor of Wahaika's timing theory) and that poor sleep leads to increased hunger and overeating during the day.

As for naps, they are also supposed to be accompanied by an increased GH release, provided that they're good quality naps. One article stated that no more than 30 minutes nap is necessary. But I find that strange, cause the nightly GH peak is supposed to occur ~1 hour after the onset of sleep. So naps probably don't create as high GH peak as normal night sleep. I'm not sure about waking up and falling asleep again, but I'd say it probably doesn't cause another peak as high as the first one, because there must be some mechanisms that tell the body it has alsready got that peak, but that a similar release pattern occurs as if you didn't wake up - a few of more lower peaks.

I've been on magnets for 2 months and 10 days, I do 1 energising and 3 growth treatments a day, magnets on for 3 minutes in each treatment. I think I found that doing a growth treatment right before bedtime is the best way to use magnets, cause that gives me the strongest growing signs that last till the afternoon of the next day (makes sense considering the GH facts). But I've only been doing that in the last week. I've grown between 2,5 and 3,5 cm so far. I notice a slight increase on the eye and a definite increase in bra filling.



This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 11, 2008 7:41 PM




Louise
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 11 2008, 8:06 PM

Wow! Thanks for all that info, do you mean you've grown that much recently or in total?

Circadian rhythms came up somewhere in my A-level biology classes so I was wondering if it was that or the actualact of sleeping. I'm not sure now if my sleeping pattern is erratic! I usually get up about 3.30am to use BB and go back to sleep by maybe 5.30am, then I get up for work about 7.30-8am, come home about 6-6.30pm, use BB 7-8pm then go back to sleep around 10pm. So I sleep for a fair bit and have a fair gap in the middle, not sure if this would be enough to trigger a second peak - hope I don't get taller! I'm trying to get into the habit of doing the energising treatment before BB and the growth treatment after BB esp as you said it seems to be best before bed. I originally intended to use BB later in the morning before work but find that too tiring, having a break in my sleep doesn't affect me as much as getting up early and staying up for some reason. I also take my BCP and vitamin C supplement before bed and will be taking my main dose of herbs before bed too when I get round to getting back to them.

Do you think taking the BCP and the herbs at the same time makes any difference or are the effercts of the BCP long enough lasting that it makes no difference?




Hopeful88
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 11 2008, 11:40 PM

Wow you go to bed @ 10 and wake up @ 3:30??? I don't actually go to bed UNTIL 3:30... but then again I get to sleep in till noon everyday hehe



Louise
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 12 2008, 5:05 AM

If I get a lot of time off I end up going to bed at 5am and getting up at 2pm - I'm much more of a night person but i work 5-7 days per week and getting up early means I need a lot of sleep!



Moon
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 12 2008, 3:21 PM

@Louise-
I've grown that much since starting magnets, so since the beginning of this year.

I don't think that with your sleeping habbits you'll be overproducing GH. But keep in mind that GH is desirable - it's the hormone of youth, it actually delays all the signs of ageing. The unfavorable fat redistribution to start with.

As for BCP I'd say its main role in NBE is its ability to stabilize hormones, or throw them off balance big time, when stoping it. In my first NBE attempts, I got the stupid idea that BCP might be keeping me from growing so I stoped it. Well, the hormonal hell I went throguh them surely kept me from growing for a while after that.






Hopeful88
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 12:34 AM

I just realized what -Moon- said: "GH secretion was decreased in rats when light was present, so darkness is an important factor too" ahh my room is so bright at night! That's it I'm going to buy one of those fancy sleeping masks to block out the light...



Louise
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 4:57 AM

Hopeful - is it daylight or artificial light? If it's not UV it probably won't matter.



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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 12:03 PM

Complete darkness in your room when you are sleeping is extremely important!! If the retenia in your eye detects light the brain will not produce melatonin, another hormone we have. If the brain does not produce melatonin when we sleep, which is the only time our bodies can produce this hormone, it greatly increases the risks of developing heart disease, stroke, cancer and other serious diseases. Other probelems would be weight gain, trouble coping with stress. Because of our internal clocks, Meletonin is only produced best between 11om and 5 am. Read this from the Alive health magazine winter of 2006/07. It is a Canadian publication.



Moon
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 12:15 PM

It certainly does matter if the room is bright in any case, the eye picks up any sort of light, be it artificial or natural, UV or not.




Hopeful88
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 4:27 PM

Oh wow that sucks... yes my bedroom is super bright from (1) city lights and (2) the moon, soemtimes the moon is so perfectly aligned to my window that I feel like I have a flashlight in my face. You can actually see the light beams coming in (like when the sun shining in) who would have known the moon could be so powerful? Thanks ladies I'm definitely going to buy a mask.



Louise
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 9:37 PM

Moon, the GH injection, can it be in the fat / muscle or do you have to raise a vein? Is there anywhere you can buy this stuff and actually know what you're getting?



Moon
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 14 2008, 11:44 PM

I think it can be delivered anywhere, but the thing is that GH injections cannot be obtained without a doctor's perscription.



Louise
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 15 2008, 4:52 AM

That's what I meant, there's loads of prescription only stuff online, it's more expensive than in the pharmacy so for the things I looked at, just wondered if you knew anywhere reliable? I've heard lots of stories about stuff online being fake.



Moon
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Re: Moon - Growth Hormone
March 15 2008, 12:48 PM

No, I couldn't say which products are deffinitely not fake. Only that all the ones which are not delivered with ijections definitely are.

Hopeful - Certainly do sth about you sleeping conditions. GH is absolutely necessary for NBE and it's little likely or even impossible to grow breasts if you are underproducing it.