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Does massage really matter?
January 6 2007 at 8:57 PM
Miss Monet (Login friskyflirt)
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Has anyone had boobie growth from just herbs alone -- no massage? Just curious as to how important massage is in NBE...




Moon
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 6 2007, 9:08 PM

Very few people ever had sucess without massage, yes, it's necessary. Rough estimate, without massage your chances to grow are 5% of those with massage.



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January 6 2007, 10:07 PM

yes yes ys Frisky VERY IMPORTANT !love jellyDeee...




Moonkissed
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 6 2007, 10:49 PM

Okay, for me, massage is and is not neccesary. My right breast is a bit smaller than my left, and although I do not massage the left one, it still grows on its own, whereas, if I don't massage the right one, it ceases to show any effects of growth.



chiquita83
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 7 2007, 12:26 AM

i havent started my herb routine yet and just been massaging and that alone has made a difference for me so far so i would definitely say yes. i dont have a lot of experience with it but i can say it has worked for me.hope that helps



Donna
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 7 2007, 8:28 AM

I think that massage was the first thing to make a difference for me as I noticed fullness fairly quickly after I started and Wonderup couldn't have started to work that quickly. I also found that over Christmas when I missed a few days of massage, my boobs didn't look the same and that they are looking better again now that I have started massaging again as usual.



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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 8 2007, 7:37 PM

I think massaging is one of the most important things you can do for NBE. I believe it is especially important if you have poor circulation. It is really difficult to find the time and sometimes deal with the mess of massaging!!! However, I've noticed that when I slack with my massages, I don't feel full or grow as much.

In the morning, when I have to go out, is when I do a massage with something that I know will be absorbed quickly into my skin. I save my messy massage for when I'm ready for bed.



Corrie
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 8 2007, 9:08 PM

I have to agree. Since I have started massaging more, I have noticed a difference. Even now, while I am on a break from phytoestrogen herbs.




Anonymous
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 8 2007, 9:22 PM

i only massage my left & smaller boob. my right one is still growing more. if i didn't massage the smaller one i don't think it'd grow at all.



Abigail
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Re: Does massage really matter?
January 9 2007, 9:50 PM

Definitely not necessary.

Because of uneven size I massage the smaller one and also apply heat to it, but don't do anything with the other and it still has grown. So taking herbs has made that one grow with zero massage.

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Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007 at 4:11 AM Buffeee (Login Buffeee)
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Wondering if there are any "growers" out there who didn't massage, didn't massage at least 2x/day, massaged sporadically, etc. I want to know how important it is to make myself do this now that I'm starting on BO...




HS29
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007, 4:54 AM

Yes- I don't know if massage would have helped me grow MORE, but I did not do it much. Once in a while I might put 30 secs total into it. Rarely, though.

You can check my program page if you wanted statistics- it's all there.

I have only used BO and vitex for growth thus far.

I have also started taking cayenne capsules to see if that does anything for circulation. (it's killer on the stomach, even on a full stomach- and I like spicy foods)



Vicky A
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007, 10:55 AM

There must have been women from a few years ago who grew without massage, as I don't think the usefulness of massage to breast growth was always recognised (not in the West anyway).



Lisa121
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007, 11:09 AM

Because massage stimulates the blood flow to the breasts and because maybe you think more about your boobs growing it may help growth along a bit better.

That said, I am not the most regular and vigorous massager myself and have not noticed a huge difference between the times where I really stuck to massages and times where I done hardly any at all. I think the most important thing is the right herbal mix for you and I always visualise my boobs being bigger at night for a few minutes, the mind plays a big part in anything to do with your body and how it functions, and you will increase blood flow like this automatically too.




Henri
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007, 11:09 AM

If I recall correctly, Eve grew without massage.



Surf
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 30 2007, 4:13 PM

Actuall, Eve did massage twice per day. Below is from her program page -

"Lotion for massage twice a day consisting of the following: Hops, Oats, Soya, and Starflower or Borage Oil."




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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 31 2007, 12:38 AM

My left (bigger) breast is growing on its own without massage. I massage my right one at least once a day, but the left one doesn't appear to need it.



Henri
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 31 2007, 1:06 AM

Thanks Surf for the correction, for some reason I was under the impression she didn't massage. But then I also never completely read her program page!



Buffeee
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 31 2007, 12:23 PM

Thanks for your responses, ladies. I tend to only want to massage when I have sensations, and I'd prefer not to have to do it twice a day for 15 minutes each.


HS29, thanks- I'll be checking out your program.




Lisa121
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 31 2007, 2:40 PM

You don't have to massage for 15 minutes twice a day. I at most done 10 minutes at night myself and grew okay with that, but often I only done 5 minutes or so. I usually stop when I feel some kind of warm or tingling sensation from the massage, if that is after 3 minutes then I stop then.
Don't worry too much about this stuff, it will just stress you out. Massage when you have the time and really, 30 minutes a day will make your arms hurt.
Do how much you feel comfortable with and leave it at that.



Yvette
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Re: Anyone grow without massage?
January 31 2007, 9:25 PM

There are definitely women who have grown without massage.

In the early days of NBE I don't think many women even knew about massage being helpful.

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Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006 at 11:41 AM wsdm (Login wsdm)

Just thinking are massages necessary? Everyday is a breast experiment day for me.

I read on this forum that we massage to stimulate prolactin, but would nipple manipulation (squeezing your nipples) be more effective than rubbing on your breasts.

I also find exercising brings more blood to the chest region than massaging, for instance doing pushups will force blood into the chest region.

I did ten push ups (I am such a wimp) and my chest was sore for like 3 days...I did see a slight improvement in the way my chest and breast area looked (I am one of those lucky people whose body reacts quickly to stimulus and change)

I think the lymphatic tissue massage and brushing techniques are great because they are very, very, very gentle.

My concern with massaging is that it’s making my breast really, really soft, I have very soft breasts to begin with and massaging them is literally turning them into liquid.

I have read that vigorous massage breaks the irregular protein structure in the breasts...its those protein structures that give breasts their firm texture.




Helen
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 3:41 PM

Hi Wsdm, you gave some very good points for thinking, thanks
Stimulating prolactin yes involves the nipples, and I've come across methods involving just nipple stimulation...mainly applying mild pressure while moving your fingers in certain directions around the aerola...
Now any other kind of breast massage I tend to think is purely for improving blood circulation and stimulating lymph flow to prevent toxins from accumulating in the breast tissue. Keeping a healthy breast tissue will in turn ensure all hormonal functions there will take place as they should, hopefully encouraging the growth we all wish for...

In general massage terms, more vigorous body massage quickens the circulation and aids the muscles in disposing of accumulated waste products.
In my opinion there's no reason for the breast massage to be vigorous, it's too sensitive of an area to be harsh with. We want breasts that if they feel sore, they do due to NBE not vigorous massage. Any massage article I have read suggests LIGHT pressure, applied with the full palm or the underside of the fingers. For lymphatic drainage, it takes very little pressure (think of "the weight of a sheet of paper") to move lymph fluid through breast tissue. And surely for sensitive areas such as breasts, light pressure should be more than enough to quicken circulation too.

At some point I wondered can rigorous massage actually contradict what we want to achieve, by burning the fat in the breasts?...got scared there for a bit... As we know, some methods of body massage cause the muscles to contract and thus exercise them when movement of the entire body is not possible or desirable, as in illness or paralysis. However, there is no evidence that massage can reduce or alter fat or adipose tissue (Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 2005)
The above re-assures me, but still I'd rather be on the safe side, so I prefer to apply light pressure while breast massaging.

And you are right to say that excercise brings blood to the chest region and can indeed improve considerably the way it looks. So this is another way to improve circulation and appearance, BUT you have to be careful with this as well and do not overdo it with chest excercises, as far as the fat burning issue is concerned, some chest excercises twice-3 times a week should be fine but a daily routine can cause fat burning and I tend to consider it very risky while on NBE.

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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 4:58 PM

you dont need to massage your breasts vigerousely. i dont know if squeezing would work the same as massaging but the breast stimulating massage us sucking. at least as strong as a baby's suckle. you dont need to massage at all but it does help alot of women. if the massage makes you too sore then you are definatly going too rough.



BJ
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 7:01 PM

I definately agree. Massage should not be vigorous it should be gentle and just enough to stimulate prolactin and get the blood flowing good in your breasts.



Moon
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 8:44 PM

From what I know, neither chest excercise or massage could directly burn breast fat tissue. I agree that gentle massage is better, in fact, I think I've been doing it a bit to vigorously myself, my boobs hurt when I massage from the previous massage, lol, need to be less eager to finally grow.



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June 17 2006, 12:00 AM

I think massage is very important, i've been eatting boobie food all my life (i just always loved it, didn't know it was boobie friendly) never had boobs. and i also did some gentle massages for about 4 months w/ boobie food when i started NBE, all i got was better shape and a little more fullness. i finally got great result was when i learned in Taiwan's forum that we needed to do firm massage to break the "blockage" for "chi" to flow, 2 months faithfully massage, boobie food and boost from borage oil, i gained a cup size.



Moon
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 9:23 AM

Hm, so what is better now, firm or gentle?? I'm wondering, is it really necessary to do as much as 360 rotations with each massage? My arms hurt like hell before I'm done with that, lol.



ash
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 8:37 PM

hi
i agree that massage is important. I think massage is one of the reasons mine seem better ( not larger tho!!) I also think it makes us more aware of our boobs. ie shape, feel, lumps and bumps. and that can only be good. Your right tho so many rotations made me wonder if it was my boobs i was trying to grow or my biceps. lol
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fengshui
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 10:46 PM

oh, the massage i did or do is not 360 rotations "chi" massage. i did pressure points massage.



wsdm
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 18 2006, 1:51 AM

Since I have had the opportunity to travel the world I have an appreciation for different philosophies…find out they are all the same anyway

Now the concept of chi is acceptable to me however not all boobs are the same and not everyone is starting at an A cup.

Now I understand if you are an A cup but your genetic code allows for you to actually be a D cup then yes there is a blockage of chi, something is blocking proper translation and flow in your body, and perhaps opening up those channels in the breast may be it.

Now sometimes lack of breast growth has something to do with an imbalance in another region of the body, which indirectly affects the breasts, such as imbalances or trouble with the digestive tract, the liver or kidney or even in the mind. Massaging the breasts to death will not release the flow because the source of the blockage may be elsewhere.

My second point is that not everyone on the board is starting from the same place, meaning a perky A or B cup, I find those types of breast that seem to defy gravity and maintain there shape possess a higher amount of protein/collagen than someone with softer pear shaped breasts, loosening up those protein strands may help the A cup woman but I am not sure it will help breasts that have experienced childbirth breastfeeding and have lost some elasticity.


I also know that ladies with implants massage their breasts to keep the implants from turning into rocks, I also know tense muscles or tension in the body can be loosened up with massaging.

My point is one of the effects of massaging is to loosen up tissue.

Now Some women already have really soft breasts think Scarlet Johansson, older Marylyn Monroe even drew Barrymore; loosening up the already limited collagen/protein supported tissue I suspect, not entirely sure, could cause more drooping. I think for these types of breasts stimulation is key but perhaps nerve stimulation.


I think there are different types of breast that require different massage remedies, different types of women that require different NBE methods to achieve the same goal.

I agree with you fengshui that some type of massaging is important, and you are living proof that massaging works, but what type?

I am for acupuncture and pressure point massages, but the vigorous massaging on certain types of breasts I am not sure is necessary.




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June 26 2006, 2:33 PM

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wsdm
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 28 2006, 12:18 AM

adding some more info to the pot...

if you go to this picture:

http://www.breastcancersource.com/gUserF..._fig_3.gif

you see the threads called coopers ligaments attached to the fascia and that is attached to the muscle
that entire structure holds up the breasts.

I am worried that vigorous massaging could break/damage that delicate connective tissue especially since they have been stretched during pregnancy.

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massage and temporary growth
June 3 2006 at 10:11 AM Iwant34D! (no login)

Is massage necessary for breast enhancement as I can only see it causing temporary growth?




Susannah
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Re: massage and temporary growth
June 3 2006, 1:22 PM

Yes I waz wondering how possibly massage could cause permanent growth az long az it helps with raising prolactin levelz which stimulate milk production and enlarge mamary glands but doesn't cause fat storage.




SugarQ
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Re: massage and temporary growth
June 3 2006, 4:34 PM

what prolactin does is HELP enlarge the breast. it doesnt do all the work on its own. its helps store fat by making the body think its getting ready to supply milk for a baby so it causes elevated estrogen levels to prefer to store fat in the breast rather then in other parts of the body. the reason why there is a preference of storing fat in the breast is because then there is easier access to get the fat needed to make milk. most women who do NBE dont start producing milk becuase of NBE. to induce lactation is very difficults and harder to to then causing NBE. but if you stop NBE too soon results are temporary. how soon is too soon? i dont know. it depends on the indivdual.




SugarQ
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Re: massage and temporary growth
June 3 2006, 4:45 PM

also prolactin does little to enlarge the mammary glands. progesterone does that and prolactin helps progesterone do that. so it depends on which hormone you have as dominant. if you are estrogen dominant then its easier to store fat. if you are progesterone dominant them you are going to enlarge milk glands and its going to be easier for you to produce milk. enlarged gland does help in some small may with perminant growth. it creats some tension which the body will over come by growing more tissue. more tissue means more room for fat to fill in.tension also encourages the body to pay more attention to the breasts as well. the only problem with glands is that sometimes if they grow and they are too big they can actually remove fat from the breasts. this happens more to women who breastfeed and it could just be that the body is using up the fat to make milk but in the end some women can shrink back to a smaller cupsize. this is rare in breastfeeding women and even rarer in women just doing NBE. but it can happen.