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Unread post 05 Apr 2006, 01:27 #1
As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.
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Unread post 19 Apr 2006, 11:33 #2
I skipped 24 hours of herbs on the 6th April cause i thought my period was starting.. well it didn't kick in properly at all. I feel like I slowed down all the great growing that was happening.. a big Ooops. My cycle is currently at 30 days long. I also dropped 500mg of WY for 2 days and think that's a mistake. NBE forum says if going to drop an estrogenic herb, I should replace it with something else. It would seem I'd better maintain the WY dose.
9th April – period kicked in properly, heavy. My cycle is approx. 30 days long. This next cycle will maintain all herbs and massage with combo of cocoa butter, vit E, fenugreek and fennel.
5 month mark.
11th April – Added cup of red clover tea with each dose of herbs.
18th April – ran out of Wild Yam, I'm taking the hops/Oats extract with each dose of herbs plus RC tea, so I hope that makes up the estrogenic effect. Let's see how this cycle goes. Reference bra didn't go backwards at day 5 so that's good.. just a small loss in firmness as usual. I've decided not to “take breaks” anymore
Routine now:
3000mg fenugreek
1600mg Saw Palmetto
1500mg Dong Quai (which includes 300mg WY & 200mg Black Cohosh)
Red clover Tea
10 ml Hops & Oats Extract
All 3 x daily
Cocoa Butter & Vit E Massage
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Unread post 03 May 2006, 05:15 #3

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

3 rd May – period started (cycle was 28 days long) – Skip 24 hours herbs, for new routine prep.

Summary for month of April
Fullness and firmness good this month. Little on tape. Reference bra is fuller than ever. Started a full A cup now a nice B cup, although a bit more growth on top is needed. Will re-assess on day 5.

Interesting to note that the dropping of WY didn't change a thing and running out of hops/oats didn't make a difference either. I do think however that the addition of Red Clover tea (and eating the flowers) was very good. Something needed to make up the estrogenic effect of the YW.

Made fresh batch of boobie batter. CB, Vit E (wheat germ oil), Fenugreek/fennel extract. NOTE: There is no Wild Yam cream in this batter... let's see if my breasts have a different response.
Also NOTE: With the omission of Dong Quai (below) lets hope the lumpiness doesn't return in luteal. I'm hoping the flaxseed oil will counteract the very painful fibrocystic breast syndrome that I got 3-5 months ago.

New Experimental routine 2 x daily – Start 4th May
500mg Pueraria Mirifica
500mg Calcium/Magnesium
250mg L-Tyrosine
1000mg Flaxseed Oil PLUS MASSAGE 3X DAILY

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Unread post 22 May 2006, 09:54 #4

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

My boobs have gone crazy in the last week. This Pueraria Mirifica has really kicked me along. I'm up a quarter inch. This is the first tape measurable growth i've had since the start. They are killing me in the mornings, I think adding the Soy milk and Dong Quai (4 days ago) has helped everything.
The Dong Quai Formula also has some Wild Yam, vitex, black cohosh and Sage leaf in it. Yippee!! look forward to seeing how the rest of the cycle goes.
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Unread post 05 Jun 2006, 11:26 #5

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

Excellent growth in luteal phase, the first on measuring tape of 1 cm. Very round – husband calls them “headlights”. Addition of Dong Quai vital, will try leaving out the soy milk to see what happens. Reference bra is completely full, extra growth has occurred at the top of the breasts. Massage in that area may be responsible.
Will continue routine as above, have ordered more PM from the UK.

Day 5 of new cycle - Lost my quarter inch. My reference bra is still fuller than last month, so I shouldn't complain. Slowly slowly..
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Unread post 06 Jul 2006, 12:03 #6

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

Day 5 of cycle - Lost my quarter inch. My reference bra is still fuller than last month, so I shouldn't complain. Slowly slowly.
15th June -luteal should have started and I'm smaller than last month. This is not a good sign. Very soft and quite small. Adding Fenugreek 1000mg per dose back into mix . My mood and skin have not been good either, I may need to put SP back in at the rate I'm going.
17th June - my mood has been terrible. I was wondering if maybe my testosterone levels are up, which might explain the fact that i have not had any luteal swelling. I have bought and re-started Saw Palmetto.

REVISED - Pueraria Mirifica Routine 3 x daily
500mg Pueraria Mirifica
500mg Calcium/Magnesium
250mg L-Tyrosine
1000mg Flaxseed Oil
1000mg Fenugreek
1600mg Saw Palmetto PLUS 2 x massage cocoa butter, vitE & fenugreek

19th June – Luteal swelling has kicked in, my mood has improved somewhat. SP working.
22nd June - I'm going to stop messing around with routines that work. I wonder if the lack of SP last cycle affected the length of my cycle, it was 2 days shorter than normal.
23rd June – My wheat bag has died, since stopping use feels like growth slowing.
2nd July – New Cycle Started. Longest cycle yet – 32 days. No growth on tape, but holding steady on new shape and eveness from left to right.

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As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
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Unread post 01 Jan 2008, 08:56 #11

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

February - 17th Cycle Started
Taken 3 x daily
1000 mg Wild Yam - GNC
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000mg Chaste Tree -Vitex (Extract) - Golden Glow
1000 mg Fenugreek powder

28 day cycle is perfect. Skin has improved. I need more wild yam, can;t skimp on it. Actually the wild yam maybe more useful than the vitex.
5th day long period- some loss, contine same program. There is no progress. I am doing no massages... too lazy. Thought maybe I'd grow without. Hmmmm.
Early march – I think the Wild Yam increase has been good.
16th March started massage with Natures Goodness Wild Yam Cream. This is the stuff that always had a good effect. Almost immediate response to Wild Yam cream, some fullness.
23rd March started using the proper fenugreek capsules again, a measured dose of 2000mg.
26th March Some nice swelling, like I haven't had in a long time. Will stick to this combo and routine until everything stops. Cycle is at 27 days currently... I wonder how long until it ends, we'll see.

28th March - 18th Cycle Started
28 day cycle again perfect. The increase in wild yam and retinro of wild yam massage definitely got a positive response from my body. My PMT was much improved from last month which is credit to the Saw Palmetto.
I will continue the same routine with the proper capsules of fenugreek. This routine is now what it was at my best growing months. I have ordered some of Jelly's “blossoms soap with PM”.
Taken 3 x daily
1000 mg Wild Yam - GNC
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000mg Chaste Tree -Vitex (Extract) - Golden Glow
2000 mg Fenugreek capsules Wild Yam Cream Massage x2 daily.

Day 5 report: No loss really.
11th April- no swelling, tingles or gain. I'm wondering if the vitex is a waste and the DQ complex would be better, like before.
13t April – added the DQ back. No great difference in response.
19th April – no major movement... feeling i'm wasting time and $. I got the blossom PM soap... made no difference either.

23rd April - 19th Cycle
26 day cycle. No measurable difference. Looks even.
10th May – brutal massage. Aching, type of tingling, soreness.
12th May have maintained look and feel, but 2 days ago started new massage technique the girls are raving aabout. Not exact but very deep pressing and squeezing. I think some change in fullness.

THESE ARE LIKE LOST MONTHS WHERE ALL ENTHUSIASM FLEW OUT THE WINDOW..... THE BLOSSOMS SOAP GOT ME BACK ON TRACK AND THE SQUEEZING MASSAGE HELPED. IN FACT I DON'T USE ANY TOPICALS FOR MASSAGE! I BELIEVE IT IS THE MOVEMENT THAT STIMULATES THE PROLACTIN MORE THAN ANYTHING.


27-9-07
Squeezing massaging, fullness on top, increased fullness in middle, PM soap still in use, good. Added PM 500 mg morning and night. Luteal swelling – very tender. I buy all ingredience on-line now. It means I never run out, because I can always get what I need.

22-10-07
Same massage. Kept all growth and fullness.
1600 mg Saw Palmetto x3
2000 mg Fenugreek x3
1000mg Wild Yam x3
500mg Pueraria Mirifica x2
13th Nov started Chi rotations again (first time in 6 months) immediate swelling. Squeezing massage also. Very tender. NO TOPICALS FOR MASSAGE, JUST GENTLE ROTATIONS AND SQUEEZING OF THE BREASTS - NOT RUBBING!!

23-11-07
Longer cycle 32 days. Excellent growth
Same massage. Same herbs. Kept all growth and most of the fullness. NO pmt or pimples. Skin is glorious, mood is glorious!! Life is very good.
Luteal kicked in 10-12-07 – very full already. Reference bra completely full.

23-12-07
Longer cycle again. Excellent growth on the inner section of the breasts. Slight protrusion increase but mostly growth in circumference and under nipple. There was NO pmt or pimples this month.
Same massage (no topicals), same herbs. 6 days later- no loss of growth only slight in firmness. No more blossoms soap. B cup is now consistently full. Now we head towards a C cup – slowly with massage twice a day. I don't use any creams or lotions, just craddle/cup the breasts in my hands and move them in circles (inwards).

AFTER TWO YEARS OF EXPERIMENTATION, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ONCE THE HORMONES ARE BALANCED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL WOMAN, THAT MASSAGE IS THE KEY TO SUCCESSFUL, PERMANENT BREAST GROWTH. The stimulation of prolactin is vital and massage is the key.




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Unread post 01 Oct 2009, 02:37 #12

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

Well here i am again after many many months. It was 2005 when I first started babbling on this site.
I went through a crazy time with my hormones and even more experiments.
Did a big stint on Pm that completely stuffed my system. Totally OD'ed.
I also did a stint experimenting with just high doses of SP. Well I ended up anemic cause I had two very heavy periods and donated blood twice in 6 months. The blood donor ppl did their regular iron check and told me promptly to go to my doctor. My ferratin levels were drastically low.

So I went back to basics at lower doses than ever before. I gave up on my boobs and thought it would just be for my skin and mood and overall health.

Daily
2 x 1600 mg SP
2 x 1000 mg fenugreek
2 x 1000 mg wild Yam

And what do you know... my luteals started to kick in with swelling again. So I thought what the heck - I'll do some Chi rotations as well. My boobs are going crazy again in the best way.

At the beginning of my journey I was a very loose A cup. When I gave up I was a "barely B cup" - my boobs had changed shape over the 2 years of NBE. It was good. Today in my luteal I am overflowing a B Cup.

BUT I have come to 2 conclusions:
1. If my boobs don't accumulate fat in amongst the breast tissue I will never achieve a "proper/permanent" B-C cup. Therefore I'm focusing on massage (and bra usage) that encourages fat from my back into the breast area. Found an interesting video: http://www.nzhealth.net.nz/massage/brea ... sage.shtml


2. I am on half the amount of herbs I started with and it's going well! I thought the other women on half the doses (or less) than me were crazy... and never understood why they grew and I stalled. But my body is very happy with me on so little. It is a blessing to the budget too! I MUST NOT GET ZEALOUS AND "RAMP UP" LIKE I DID IN THE PAST. Huge mistake I made over and over. I thought to myself, if this much is working then more will be better. Wrong!

So it's nice to be back in the NBE mode. Let's see if 4 years later I can finally get some significant PERMANENT WONDERFULLY FATTY GROWTH!!

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Unread post 12 Oct 2009, 12:01 #13

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

Day 5 of cycle and I have maintained shape and some fullness from previous cycle. Almost a full B cup.

2 x daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg SP
1000 mg Wild yam

Chi rotations 2-3 daily with no topical lotion.

I have mild tingles today which is good for day 5. I was braless. I will maintain everything as is and see how we go for this next cycle. Slow and consistent will win the day.
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Unread post 27 Jan 2010, 23:41 #14

As you'll be able to see, it was very hit and miss for me at the start, I didn't know of any forums (unlike now)to help with formula's, so this is just how i ended up starting.. rather high doses in retrospect, but it didn't kill me (hehehe).

I journalled lots of stuff, which helped me at week 12 to assess changes. There are lots of ups and downs, the downs always after my period, but I'm just seeing the tip of permanent growth now. I've really enjoyed this forum, and in the last 2 months it has encouraged me no end, to keep pressing ahead.


Started 9th November 2005 - Start measurement = 84cm (very loose B cup)

Combo 1 - Taken 3 times daily
1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1500 mg Dong Quai /300 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Blessed Thistle

Within first 2 hours tingling around nipple.
Within day 3 tenderness/soreness, with intermittent tingling/aching.
Tried taking herbs on empty stomach and got stomach ache. Went back to taking with or after meals and stomach was fine.
Day 3 to 4 experiencing fuzziest in the head, have read this is attributed to the Dong Quai, esp on empty stomach, this leads to drowsiness/sleepy.
Started fennel hot drinks, and fennel massage with olive oil, using powdered fennel.
Day 5 Left side is smaller so I will massage and leave fennel oil on that side only until size evens up.
Day 6 No more sick tummy
Day 7 Little visable difference. New combo includes more wild yam.

Combo 2 – Taken 3 times daily

1000 mg Fenugreek
1800 mg Saw Palemtto
1000 mg Wild Yam
600 mg Blessed Thistle
1500 mg DQ Complex

Day 9 Some visable changes. Overnight wraps seem to make a difference.
Day 12 Some soreness returned

2 weeks No measureable difference. Feels firmer. Bought myself a reference bra -10B, the cups fit loosely at the moment. My goal is to fill it.
Made my own fennel tincture. Needs 4 weeks to 'brew'.

New Combo and Brands.
Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1500 mg DQ Complex
300 mg Blessed Thistle

3 weeks - No measurable difference. Increased firmness and weight.
Found and bought some Wild Yam cream. Will use 2 x daily until jar is finished.

1 month. No measurable difference. Slight palpable difference. It's slow going, but something is happening. Research indicates that 80% of women see the best results in 6-9 months. Which means many may give up too soon. The smell of the fenugreek massage is getting to my husband so I'll just stick to wild yam. No more fennel wraps.

*fenugreek massage ceased at 4 weeks
*wild yam massage commenced at 4 weeks

+ 3 days - Soreness and tenderness again. This happened in the first week of last month so I'm wondering if it is breast growth or just part of my monthly cycle. I feel that after my period there was a loss of fullness. Could fullness just have been fluid retention. We will see how next month compares.
+ 5 days - Increased fullness in the area under my nipples and slightly to the sides. Especially in my right breast which is the larger of the two. The growth is not measurable or very visable, but I can feel the difference in my hands. Being so small I think my body is growing breast tissue from the ground up. An increase in breast circumference may occur before measurable bust size. My reference bra is tigher in the area under the nipple, so I can't be imaging results.
Slight change in formula, esp Dong Quai I've decided to leave it in the mix, but lower dose. This is cheaper too.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
300 mg Dong Quai
300 mg Blessed Thistle

+ 6 days - Wow, one of the moments I've been waiting for.. last night my husband comments “I'm not sure that fennel tea isn't working (a backhanded compliment to my new tea drinking habits) ...your breasts feel different”. It was the larger of the 2 he was observing by hand. This is great!

NOTE: Lowed Dong Quai complex dose.

5 weeks - No measurable difference. Increase in fullness noticable. Tenderness still.
Another comment from my independent opinion – he comments twice yesterday on the size and firmness increase of my breasts. The left side is still feels smaller in the hand.

6 weeks – No measurable difference, still 84 cm. Fullness and firmness same as last week. Period started today. Reference bra is definitely fuller.

Period near end (4 days later) a definate loss of firmness. A little disappointing.

7 weeks – No change to report

*NOTE: 3 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 2 weeks 1600mg Dong Quai and I'm gaining nothing.

+ 2 days – Feels and looks like I've gone back to the beginning. Firmness and fullness gone, esp in the right breast which was the larger one to start with. Reference bra agrees. Very strange and discouraging. Could it be the stress of Christmas and moving house? I haven't changed my herbal routine. Will keep pressing on, some internet research says “if this happens just keep going”.

Drained the fennel tincture, I'm using it for massage with the Yam cream, twice a day.

2 months – Almost recovered the fullness I lost with my period.

+ 5 days – the difference between my right and left breast is amazing. The right side is taking off. leaving the already smaller one behind. Will make some fenugreek tincture.. hopefully the smell of the tincture won't put my husband off. I'm not sure if the fennel tincture is working. Tenderness and some lumpiness again. My left breast gets very lumpy in luteal phase.

9 weeks – No measurable difference. Nice and full though, can feel a marked difference. Left side is catching up for firmness. I think the fennel tincture and Yam cream massage is working. Made up some tincture today using fenugreek seeds and Vodka. Needs 4 weeks to brew. Period coming soon, expect some loss of fullness again, although I hope not too much.

10 weeks – Period started today. Loss of firmness same as other times. Fullness still the same. The breast tissue is still slowly developing. No measurable size increase. There is discernable difference in the hands.
11 weeks – firmness back to normal. No measurable size increase.
12 weeks – stressful week, lost some fullness. No measurable size increase and fullness is down. I've reached the 3 month mark now and there has been no measurable difference.

*NOTE: Now 7 weeks since stopped fenugreek massage and 1600mg Dong Quai and everything still stalled.

12.5 weeks – Put 1600 mg Dong Quai complex back in the brew & delete blessed thistle.. lets see if it improves things and improves the pain and lumps in my left breast during luteal phase.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY

13 weeks – No change. Period ended and usual loss.
14 weeks – No change.
15 weeks – No change.

16 weeks – Wed 1st March – No change. Have started a new massage technique of “Chi massage” as explained on NBE forum. fenugreek tincture & wild yam cream about 1:1.

Now fenugreek (Chi) massage and Dong quai (1600mg) are back in the equation let's see if things improve. Also added 250 mg L-Tyrosine to each dose to possibly boost growth hormones.

Taken 3 times daily
2000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

Monday 6th March – Good increase in fullness., reference bra looking good. Applying heat before massages and inbetween to help with tenderness and lumps My left breast is not lumpy like it was previous months. Period due soon- crossing fingers I won't fall completely flat again. If I don't it may have something to do with the re-introduction of DQ and Fenu (Chi) massage.

17 weeks- Things looking up. Reference bra tighter, no measurable difference. I've been learning about taking breaks from NBE forum.. will take a one day break from herbs on first day of period.

9th March period started. Will skip 24 hours of herbs to give my system a short break. Continuing massage. Fullness still very good. Still got the occasional growing pains. This Chi massage techinque seems good. There was no lumpiness in my left breast this last cycle and it feels fuller in my hand than before. Combo of heat and correct massage technique may prove vital.

18 weeks - 15th March period ended. Amazing I have maintained most of the fullness from my luteal phase. This is significant. My reference bra shows the same fullness left and right that I had 5 days ago. The cups are no longer loose and floppy like when I bought it 16 weeks ago! YIPPEE!! Will Focus heat and massage on left breast this cycle. Ramp up fenugreek also, as discussed NBE forum.

Taken 3 times daily
3000 mg Fenugreek
1600 mg Saw Palmetto
1000 mg Wild Yam
1600 mg Dong Quai/300 mg WY
250 mg L-Tyrosine

16th March – Been getting mild tingling. Haven't had these since the very beginning. Body responding positively to extra fenugreek which is good.
20th March – reference bra still shows the luteal fullness. Looks like I'm finally getting to keep something!

19 weeks – Reference bra showing fullness, at the bottom and sides.
29th March – Skipped all herbs on day 14 of cycle.

20 weeks – Both breasts have grown. I can barely hold all the breast tissue (on my right)in my hand, AND my little lefty has FINALLY grown!! The circumference has increased on both sides. The protusion of my breasts still measures the same - 84 cm.

Are those the total amounts of each herb u r useing? 1,000mg fenugreek, 1,800 saw palmetto and 1,000 wild yam? Or is that mutiplied by two for the total? sorry if that's a dumb question lol. I'm recently lowered my dosages to 1755mg sp and 1830mg Fg and it seems to be working better than when i was takeing 1,000mg of sp extract and 3,000mg of Fg. I just realized the difference between sp extract and the berries and i switched to berries. I'm still trying to figure out my optimum dosages though. Idk if i should ramp up or if i might need even a little less... I'm still experimenting lol. Congradulations on your growth so far and good luck!