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THIS IS MY OLD PROGRAM PAGE FROM THE OLD SITE (so that I can keep up with what worked for me in the past in case I need it).

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[quote]kieyah's program pageJune 19 2007 at 7:00 AM
kieyah (Login kieyah)
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Stats
age: 27 (when started BB)
weight: 125 lbs
height: 5'3"
3 kids, breastfed
starting size: 32/34C
non-smoker

My goal is the gain back the volume that I lost after having kids and breastfeeding. Before having kids I was a very full/overflowing 34D. I weighed 90 pounds and yet was an overflowing D cup/almost DD. All my fat was in the breast area (wish I could say that now). now I am backwards. now my fat is everywhere else. In my attempt to regain my loss, I started out using the bosom beauty breast pump machine system. With this I was able to gain some of the volume back and lost the sagging I had, they also noticibly closer together. Before BB I was a very B/small 32C. BB brought me to a full C. I am now using herbs along with the GY's massage program in hopes of getting back the rest of what I lost after having kids.

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THIS FIRST POST WILL ACT AS A QUICK REFERENCE.
I WILL CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE STATS HERE.
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approximately 2/2006 to 1/2007
Bossom Beauty machine, used once a day on a moderate setting for 60 minutes each evening before bed. once in a while I used twice a day. within several months I gained 1.5 cups. I continued to use even after this with very few breaks in an attempt to make sure it would be permanent and I had hoped for more growth. I started using way too strong of suction thinking it would break my plateau and finally cause more growth. I never gained any more growth but the initial growth stayed permanent. I gained 1.5 cups that stayed permanante even many months after completely stopped all suction.

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Started GY's Program 5/16/2007
I do my massages much longer than is recommended. I am on level 3.

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Added herbs 6/16/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

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6/23/2007:
I have switched off herbs to taking bo
1 bo 500mg morning/noon/night (total 1500mg daily)
using wild yam root as a mask on breast area before evening shower
still doing gy's massages

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7/4/2007:
I have decided to quit the gy's massage. I feel it will be impossible for me to know whether the growth or soreness is coming from the bo or the massage. So I need to first establish the correct dose for me. I may or may not continue with gy's after I have figured out if bo or some herbs work well for me. Anyway here is my new routine:
AM
1 bo 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg (sometimes I omit this)
1 multivitamin
1 calcium
1 magnesium (helps prevent my migraines)
1 vitamin C 1000mg
PM
2 bo 500mg each
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

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Cannot take the dizziness and headaches anymore. Afraid it is the bo doing it to me. Quitting bo for now. Also quitting gy's just in case.
Going back on herbs 7/8/2007:
AM
2 Fenugreek
1 wild yam root
1 saw palmetto
PM
2 Fenugreek
1-2 benadryl (helps me sleep)
breast mask with wild yam and fenugreek before shower

I make my own capsules from certified organic powders and they are roughly about 500mg each.

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7/23/2007 - 8/4/2007:
added to the above routine
Licorice Root (4)1800mg - (6)2700mg
Black Cohosh (2)1080mg
Papaya Enzyme (9)135mg
Raw Spleen Concentrate 10mg
Milk Thistle 235mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 132mg
Manganese 10mg
Quercetin 100mg
Black Current Oil 64mg
5-HTP 100mg
ADDED 2 more fenugreek

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Progress as of 6/29/2007:
1 1/2 inches above nipple from 34 to 36 = 2 inch increase
3 inches above nipple from 33.8 to 35.5 = 1.7 inch increase
at nipples from 35 to 36.8 = 1.8 inch increase
collar bone to nipple from 6.5 to 6.8 = .3 inch increase
chest below breast to center of nipple = no increase
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8/5/2007: day 1 (after 2 week break)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 35.8 (1/4" loss)
3 inches above nipple = 35.5 (same)
at nipples = 36.5 (1/4" loss)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
not bad for luteal phase




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9/29/07
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)


10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)


11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)


12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


1/15/08 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"


2/20/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"


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2/20/2008:
Started Wonderup


3/9/2008:
underbust: 28.5"
armpit level: 37"
above nipple: 37.5"
@ nipple: 38.25" (down 1/4 inch)


4/7/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5" (down half inch!)
above nipple: 37" (down half inch!)
@ nipple: 38" (down another 1/4"!)


5/6/2008:
underbust: 29"
armpit level: 36.5"
above nipple: 37"
@ nipple: 37.75" (down another 1/4"!!!)


7/7/2008:
Quit wonderup, not working for me
@ nipple went back to between 38" to 38.5"


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Current Stats
age: 29
weight: 130 lbs
height: 5'3"
current size: 32E/34D


7/18/2008:
Starting individual herbs again


8/10/08
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"


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ADDING SOME NOTES IN HERE FOR QUICK REFERENCE
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Tagamet 400-800mg in one dose. 800mg twice a day is the highest dose; Ant-androgen

MSM 4-6g/day; 10g/day highest dose; seems to be beneficial to take vit C to help it work; seems to help allergies

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Re: kieyah's program page June 19 2007, 7:12 AM

forgot to add I started GY's on 5/16


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Re: kieyah's program page June 23 2007, 4:53 AM

I will slowly be adding BO until I reach the recommended 3 per day. I have decided to discontinue the above routine wiht the herbs while using BO. I will continue the GY's program along with the BO.




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Re: kieyah's program page June 27 2007, 6:03 AM

I have reached the 3 BO per day (1500mg per day) DNE brand
AF should arrive any day now. I will post if I notice any change.

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Re: kieyah's program page June 28 2007, 5:42 PM

day one AF, already lost 1/4 inch
I should also note that I have been drinking caffiene again lately and have been slacking off on my massages. AF makes me lazy.


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Re: kieyah's program page July 1 2007, 2:07 AM

day 2 AF seems to have disappeared. I started thursday night, now less than 48 hours later it is gone.



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Re: kieyah's program page July 2 2007, 5:03 PM

Just wanted to add I have not lost any more inches, just the initial 1/4". Maybe because AF was so short? Also I think the bo is kicking in already. Not gained any inches but breasts "feel" bigger/fuller/heavier/tender. Could be just because AF left already or maybe from the bo. I plan to do my gy's massages for longer to help ease some of the soreness like what I had initially done. Also note I try to go without a bra whenever possible while at home and no visitors. Don't know if it helps at all but thought I'd make note of it.

Just measured and I have already gained back that 1/4"


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Re: kieyah's program page August 8 2007, 6:41 AM

Day 3 and already regained my loss plus some!!! hippee
AF hasn't even left yet, this is such a good sign. I think I finally found the right herb combo

@ nipples = 37 (fully regained plus 1/4" gain)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.25 (1/4" gain! right where I need to fill out!))
3 inches above nipple = 36 (fully regained)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)

I AM SO EXCITED!!!

note to self about the tramendous feelings of swelling, heaviness, and tingles/aches shortly after each dose I have been getting the past few days


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Re: kieyah's program page August 11 2007, 4:38 PM

I just found I have gained a few pounds with AF so increase possibly came just from that. Boo hoo
I am gonna try and lose it and hope that with the help of herbs it doesn't come back off from there. Also I ran out of licorice root so dropping that for now. And gonna try to find gelatin and possibly royal jelly to add to my program. Also fenugreek is back down to 4 a day. I think I stalled when I went up to 6 I shrank slightly. My body is so darn sensitive to these herbs.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 15 2007, 12:40 AM

have added some more herbs. Think I am becoming an herb junkie!
but I am maintaining at 37" even with my short break so am starting back up and will keep the fenugreek at 4/day like before I stalled.

These are total daily:
4 Fenugreek 2000mg
1 wild yam root 500mg
1 saw palmetto 500mg
2 Black Cohosh 1080mg
9 Papaya Enzyme 135mg
5-HTP 100mg
3 Royal Jelly 1500mg
6 Gelatin 3900mg
and this is in another herbal formula I take:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg
Also note I am doing some brief massaging each pm.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 24 2007, 5:48 PM

starting gelatine drink mix today, in place of gelatine caps
7g protein
27mg vit C
4mg niacin
7g gelatine (7000mg)

also this month started back on bcp so wont have af for a few months
don't know if that will help or hinder growth
I will take measurements every 1st of the month (since no af to go by)
that was about my cycle day 4 this month. so will go by that

and last but not least I am cutting dosages inhalf the rest of this month and see how goes. I have forgotten several days to take my herbs and then would take just one dose before bed. I noticed a lot of achiness the past two days especially in my left side (the smaller one). So gonna try that for a while. I am so darn sensitive to all this stuff maybe I've been taking too much. Also dropping saw palmetto for the time being due to my suspicion it is what caused my weight gain

in addition to the gelatine drink mix (above) this is new dosages

2 Fenugreek 1000mg
1 wild yam root 500mg
1 Black Cohosh 540mg
3 Papaya Enzyme
1 5-HTP 100mg
3 Royal Jelly 1500mg

and this is in another herbal formula I take daily:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg



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Re: kieyah's program page August 25 2007, 10:27 PM

something seems to be happening. yesterday my right side was also having the same achy pains the left one was having before. and this morning they both "felt" very sore and swollen, although they weren't really swollen to look at, just felt that way.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 28 2007, 3:00 AM

both sore all day today, lots of deep aching on both sides, heaviness although no noticable increase. Feel very itchy deep inside too. hard to describe. I am massaging more, trying to do it morning and night. lots more very noticable lobes, very sore. Also note royal jelly only 1 now so 500mg. considering adding the goat's rue everyone is talking about but want to give this a month before adding anything new. Gonna try 2 gelatin drinks per, morning and night, if I can take it. I hate the way they taste, way too sweet, yuck! I seriously doubt that one per day is enough to equal the chicken feet soup. Gonna try two and go from there.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 30 2007, 9:10 PM

I have started taking 2 gelatin packets per day. Am working up to 3 now. I have noticed the feel is changing. They feel much firmer. Fewer very hard lobes now. I can still feel them, just not very hard. I will measure and photo on saturday. Though I don't think there will be any growth to report yet.

forgot to add I have also been drinking soymilk. I try to drink 2 glasses per day and I add ovaltine for more nutrition.


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Progress report September 2 2007, 3:46 PM

9/2/07: if af were here this month should make it cycle day 5

3 inches above nipple = 36 (1/2" increase since last month)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36 (1/4" increase since last month)
at nipples = 37 (1/2" increase since last month)
collar bone to nipple = 6.8 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)

Overall slightly more than I had with gy. Doesn't "look" like any increase to me and I can't see difference in pics from when I was doing gy. maybe another month will make it more visible.

3 Gelatin drink mixes daily 21000mg
2 Fenugreek 1000mg
1 Black Cohosh 540mg
6 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg

and this is in another herbal formula I take daily:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg


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Re: kieyah's program page September 11 2007, 9:56 PM

added heating pad after evening massage. vowing to be more deligent with massage. I am noticing more large lobes so hopefully that is a good sign. I am also trying to add to my protein intake by eating more soy, fish, nuts. also drinking a glass of oj everyday even though is not a good boobie food. I need the vit C and fortified calcium that is in it.

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Re: kieyah's program page September 17 2007, 6:56 PM

also adding a mood enhancing blend. So routine now consists of:

2 Gelatin drink mixes daily 14grams
2 Fenugreek 1000mg total
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Collagen 1480mg)
eating about 1 tsp whole fennel seeds (I just swallow them whole with water, cannot stand the strong taste when I chew them )

3 tablets herbal blend for hernia:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

2 capsules Stress/Mood blend (I may up this to 3-4 daily):
st. john's wort 300mg total
kava kava 250mg
melatonin 1mg
skull cap herb 100mg
red clover blossoms 100mg
passion flower herb 100mg
valerian root 80mg
gambir (black catechu) leaf 60mg
hops flowers 50mg
blessed thistle herb 50mg
cayenne 30mg




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Re: kieyah's program page September 22 2007, 1:40 AM

tape measure says almost 3/4" increase, doesn't look like it to me though. cannot find the tape I usually use. when I do will have to re-measure.

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Re: kieyah's program page September 26 2007, 5:45 PM

I am noticing my lips are really getting plump. Kinda weird. must be the collagen. I guess that should mean a difference in bust. I haven't noticed increase there yet but I never seem to "see" it much even when there is a change, mostly have to rely on my tape measure. But I can't seem to find the one I normally use. Anyway wanted to note my skin looks GREAT and my lips are surprisingly very full. I am using the hydrolyzed collagen suppliment which other members have said doesn't work but obviously it is doing something for me. I was not even expecting an effect this fast. I will continue to use it. When I run out of my two bottles I might try the marine collagen if I can find it and see if it is any better.

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Re: kieyah's program page September 26 2007, 5:52 PM

1-2 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7-14 grams
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
1 Royal Jelly 500mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl

3 tablets herbal blend:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

2 capsules Stress/Mood blend (I may up this to 3-4 daily):
st. john's wort 300mg total
kava kava 250mg
melatonin 1mg
skull cap herb 100mg
red clover blossoms 100mg
passion flower herb 100mg
valerian root 80mg
gambir (black catechu) leaf 60mg
hops flowers 50mg
blessed thistle herb 50mg
cayenne 30mg

I just measured 37.75" bust!!! I sure wish I could find my usual measuring tape to confirm. But I'll take that reading I still don't understand why I never seem to notice the growth. I guess it is too gradual and looking at myself everyday it just isn't that noticable day to day. It also doesn't seem to be filling in up top like it was before. But I will take any increase to that area!


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Re: kieyah's program page September 29 2007, 7:51 PM

it is time to measure in. I am also including last measurments because I was too emarrased I did not post all of them. I am also trying to lose weight. I don't know how but somehow it does look to be going down slowly. So now I will include those measurments as well.

This is from four weeks ago 9/2/07:
underbust/band = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36"
at nipples = 37
collar bone to nipple = 6.8
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5
waist = 28.5
hips = 35
fattest part around thighs = 23.5

This is now 9/29/07 (would be cycle day 4 if I had a flow while on the pill)
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")

I'm really not doing anything at this point to lose weight. I am not exercising or dieting. I am slowing trying to substitute more whole grains and fiber, but that's about it. I think the fenugreek and other herbs were making me fat. That's my only explanation for the loss so far. I don't think I have lost any actual pounds, just a few inches here and there. I should be gaining weight now that I'm back on the pill. I probably will now that I say that.





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Re: kieyah's program page October 1 2007, 6:23 PM

adding some things.

1 Gelatin drink mixes daily 7 grams
1 Vitamin C 1000mg
2 Magnesium citrate 200mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 5-HTP total 200mg
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 800-1000mg total)I plan to increase this soon to 4-6 daily
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg
1 dong quai root 1590mg (says 3 x3 daily, seems like a LOT, I am starting at one)
1 red clover (stem, leaf, flower) 500mg
2 black cohosh root extract 40mg
planning to add goat's rue soon
plus still taking these:
3 tablets herbal hernia blend
2 capsules Stress/Mood blend

licorice root, royal jelly are out for now


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We are about the same in size October 3 2007, 1:06 AM

Kieyah I was looking at your photos and program. I am much older than you ( 45 ) and sag just a bit more but our boobs look almost identical in shape/size. I can see you have no doubt filled in the tops some and look firmer and more uplifted. That is what I am going for. I want them lifted not so much bigger. I wanted to ask you about your wild yam mask. How did you make that? Do you still use it? Where did you buy your collagen? Sorry to post to your program page, I hope it was ok. What do you feel gave you the most lift herbs or BO?



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Re: kieyah's program page October 6 2007, 2:45 AM

no problem, I don't mind, glad to be of help. The collagen I got off ebay. here is link to it on the mfr website so you can see what it looks like: http://www.masonvitamins.com/Product%20P...56-120.htm I started taking it because along with the gelatin I believe it to help with building the connective tissue in the breast. and hopefully by taking it any growth I get through the herbs, I will keep. That's my theory anyway.

for the mask I used powdered wild yam root in a lotion bottle that was about half empty. shook it up real good and let it sit until about a week or two had passed so that it would soften the powder and release it into the lotion. I did have to let some air out every now and then because air would build up in the bottle. then everyday I would put it on my breast and let it sit for awhile before taking a shower. It is gritty. not smooth and nice like extracts would be. so if you have liquid extracts I recommend using those, and you could leave it on if you used extract. but I could tell it was working because I immediately felt tingles with it. later I added fenugreek to it. if you have wild yam capsules filled with powder, you could use that.

I stopped using that mask though. I really did not use it that much. I am making one now out of the left over fenugreek, saw palmetto berries and some of the wy mixed with olive oil. hoping it won't cause the side effects I had from taking them internally. but you could use almost any kind of oil, lotion or even just mix it with distilled water. I am finding I don't like the feel of oil on my skin so I will probably go with the water for my next mask. if you make one using oil or water you can strain the powders off after the 2 weeks is up so it won't be gritty.

btw, I was a whole lot saggier before using the bb. the before pic is actually after I had used bb for a while. before bb I resembled more of deflated ballons. I did not take one before getting the bb, I was too embarrased even to look at them myself.

I think the bb made the most difference as far as sagging. I also gained about a cup size. but I also used it for almost a year. After bb, I think the herb capsules and massage gave me the most lift. although I am nowhere near where I want to be. I am also looking at the nba ebook and considering using magnets. but will save that for later on. you might want to try it though if you only want lift. there is a method in the book for placing the magnets over the ligaments to strengthen them thereby giving lift. sorry to be so long winded. hope this helps some and good luck!


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Re: kieyah's program page October 7 2007, 2:44 AM

I am starting a new herb mask using fg, wy, sp and evoo. I will begin using this in the evenings. I have ordered goat's rue and plan to add when arrives. also adding licorice root back in soon. I have also decided to try a few other things the magnets (nba system) and also ordered a breast massager which should arrive any day now. thats about it for now. I am also considering trying yasmin. ok so I am becoming obsessed at this point! I admit it. but I have a tramendous amount of stress in my life at this time and feel that if I can control this and get back to the size I originally was I will feel much better about myself and feel like a woman again. I keep hearing of all these things that could potentially help and I want to try them all!

Backing off of the black cohosh for now too. I keep having the feeling that it is bad for me. I keep getting nauseated and heart burn type feelings and for some reason I have a bad feeling about the black cohosh. I don't know that it is that. I took it before with no problems but this is a different dose and is extract in tablet form. Bad feeling. Gonna stop that one for now. Also have a weird feeling about red clover. but I will keep that for now.


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Re: kieyah's program page October 9 2007, 12:44 PM

What is BB? I am taking Breast and Balance but almost done with it. I am waiting now on the PM to arrive and will try that. I have been using a mixture for massage of oils and herb extracts. I will probably continue with that and use the breast butter someone mentioned at night. Very greasy stuff, but I feel and itching each time I put it on. I am not sure if that it's working or I am allergic LOL! Thanks for responding.............



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Re: kieyah's program page October 10 2007, 1:23 AM

The BB I am referring to is the bossom beauty. It is a type of breast pump similar to brava. And when I mentioned that I thought herb capsules benifited greatly, I didn't mean to say that topically doesn't have benifit. I just haven't been using that for long enough to know for sure. But I know I sure feel the aches when I use the mask!
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Re: kieyah's program page October 10 2007, 6:12 PM

I am feeling much better after dropping the black cohosh. Boobs are also feeling very achy today. could be the mask is really kicking in now that I started using heat pad at night for about 5-15 min after the mask. I have been doing skin brushing for about a week now and the lumps of fat behind my hips are gone! and my jeans are feeling looser I could not get rid of that bulge even when I was 15 pounds lighter. I am not exercising either. So it is not that I have toned anything. It has just dissapeared from there.

Also want to note that even though I am losing inches in my lower body, I have not and I repeat I have NOT lost any weight. AND I am still gaining inches in bustline. I find this interesting. Maybe the fat is shifting back to my boobs where they belong! I'm not so worried about losing weight anymore. Now I just want it to keep shifing to where it belongs! I will compare measurements at next "measure in" which will be on 10/27. I will also compare my weight.

Also note I have opted to wearing loose bras to prevent restriction in the breasts. My theory is that if my bra is too thight they may not grow or the fat may prefer to find somewhere else to go. I don't want that happening! Also I feel less stress right now. I think the st john's wort and licorice root are helping with that and perhaps that may have contributed to the shift in body fat. Since it is believed that stress makes us gain in our waist and lower body. Perhaps now that the stress has lessened the fat is lessening too. All I know is I don't want it to stop now!

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Re: kieyah's program page October 12 2007, 6:28 PM

magnets and massager arrived today. will be adding that to my routine. I don't plan to do the tenctures. I am already doing a boobie batter at night.

Found my original tape measure and confirmed my measurements. actually at 38" bust right now but will wait for official measure in on cycle day 5.


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Re: kieyah's program page October 18 2007, 11:00 PM

After about a week, I am not really using the massager. After a while it gets irritating to my sensitive skin. I am still doing "some" massaging on my own (very lazily)

But I have found a way to use the magnets everyday. I knew using the NBA method would be too time consuming (5 times a day). So I didn't even try that. Instead I am taking the growth technique and just using that all by itself. I have attached the magnets to a sports bra and now just leave them there and I wear this at night while sleeping. If I happen to be home without the kids for a while and not on the pc, then I use it for a bit during the day too. Otherwise that is it. Becaue they are really too strong of magnets to just leave in a bra all day if you go out. Stuff literally gets grabbed by the magnets and sticks to them. That would be hard to explain! They can also damage electronic devices so have to stay away. The nba method mentions you should also avoid other people while wearing them.

I already notice quite a difference. Not sure if it is growth so much as shape. They are higher and closer together. I can tell they have grown a bit which normally I don't really notice. But now I can see growth near the cleavage line (between the breasts) all the way from top to bottom. I don't seem to be growing in the outter breasts so much. And my right is now overtaking the left again. My right has always bit slightly bigger. But with herbs alone the left was growing faster. This method with the magnets is convenient and seems to be working so I intend to continue this way. I do plan to put cvs magnets on some other location be cause I notice I feel short of breath at first when putting them on. I have ordered more magnets and may experiment with using more near the outter breasts to see if that gives them a boost. I have really narrow boned and narrow breasts(close together). I don't need more there! I will probably concentrate my massage more there too.

To anyone else considering magnets- do not use the nail polish method mentioned to mark them! They get stuck together and then the paint ends up coming off eventually. I just used a knife or scissor and scratched an "N" on the negative side. This helps me to remember and it doesn't come off.

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Re: kieyah's program page October 23 2007, 1:20 AM

I have been taking a break from herbs for about a week. I have had bad pms and so decided to let myself cycle. I will update measurements and pics on cycle day 5 later this week. I can really see a difference though! can't wait to compare pics!

still doing these things during my break:

skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.

still massaging with evoo, sp, wy, fg at night when I remember. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.

wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and just added another set to outter breasts (straight across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep.

slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again



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Re: kieyah's program page October 25 2007, 9:53 PM

It's time to measure in. I was having really bad PMS so decided to let myself cycle and this is cycle day 5. I have sent in updated pics which should be posted soon. I have been taking a break from herbs and will start back up today.

Here is last month's measurements for comparison:
9/29/07
underbust = 28.5" (went down 1/2")
3 inches above nipple = 36" (same)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.5" (half inch increase here)
at nipples = 37.75 (3/4" increase here)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (1/4" increase here)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28.5 (went down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23.25 (down 1/4")

This month's measurements:
10/25/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29" (this keeps going up and down)
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (up 1/4")
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 36.75" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (same)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.5 (same)
waist = 28 (down 1/2")
fattest part around hips = 35" (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (down 1/4")
looks like my fat is shifting upwards so far!

ok well the pics aren't as obvious as I had hoped, but I did lose some volume with AF. And haven't gained much which is to be expected since I am taking a break form herbs. But I can definately tell they are higher and fuller toward the center cleavage line. So basically up and closer together at least that is how it looks to me. I know they are not closer together but they are only filling out in the center (inner breast). My nipples are super ITCHY today! Wonder if I could be allergic to nickle plating of the magnets? Probably not because the sides where I put the other magnets are not itchy (at least not yet). I am also leaking a slight clear fluid not from the nipple where I'd be leaking if I where lactating but right beside the right nipple. You can kind of see in my pic that the right nipple (left in photo) has a red area well that is leaking if I squeeze it. Not sure if it is a pimple or what. But otherwise If I squeeze the actual nipple, no leaking there. so could be a pimple from the evoo. I am also getting enlarged pores around my areolas. I did that when I was pregnant and breastfeeding, so wonder if this means I will start to lactate soon? gosh I hope not but I will be monitoring this.

starting yasmin today
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (sometimes...I often skip this now)
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
5 Papaya Enzyme
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 fennel seed (about 1000mg total)
2 Licorice root about 1000mg total
2 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
I feel pretty good about these doses now. except for one thing. not sure what it is yet.

skin brushing most nights before the following routine, always toward the breasts.

going to give boobie batter a rest for now. Maybe this will stop the chest pimples. I will continue to use it occationally before a shower so that the oil won't all soak in. evoo, sp, wy, fg. I don't think this is having a huge effect for me but I do think it may give me a boost once in a while.

wearing magnets at night with both positive polarities over nipples and another set to outter breasts (across from nipple level). Worn all night during sleep attached to a sports bra.

slight massage AM after removing magnets and PM before applying them again

I am adding another sports bra under the one that has the magnets. This will protect my skin from touching the actual magnets in case I am allergic to the nickle plating.


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Re: kieyah's program page November 1 2007, 3:29 AM

the nipple pimple is gone. Over the past week I stopped using the boobie batter and also wore a sports bra inside the sports bra with the magnets on it just in case I have an allergy to the nickle plating on the magnets. my skin has cleared and the nipple itchies have stopped so for now I will continue using two sports bras. these bras are quite loose so I don't see any problem in using two.

I just measured myself, and normally at this point in my cycle any losses would have been regained plus a little. but not only have I not regained it, looks like I lost a bit more. I don't know if this may have anything to do with the fact that they seem to be shifting upwards or if it is from the break from herbs. I do think the left looks a bit smaller.

Adding to routine: progesterone cream once a day, hops 500mg, goat's rue 500mg, and I may add back in the boobie mask. I will also remove the added magnets on the outter sides since so far no progress from this. Maybe it was too much?


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5 htp, timings November 13 2007, 10:44 AM

Hi Kieyah,
first of all, apologies for posting on your page, I hope you don't mind, please say if you do! But I thought it a good wasy of getting in touch.
Thanks for replying aout 5htp. I was wondering about it anyay because I seem prone to becoming more low in winter, which is tough on everyone - like permanent pmt. But now I see that the timing of programmes may be important for success i am wondering if it would help with that too. Have you checked out that thread? If not please do and let me know what you think. It's depressing in itself to think I might have started my programme at entirely the wrong time of year to have any effect but I hope the 5htp might counteract the lack of serotonin. By the way I haven't noticed fat going on in winter before (at least, no more than can be explained by eating more puddings!) so I hope this might work to my benefit. I'd really apreciate hearing your take on this. By the way your boobs look really good. But them I'd be happy to look like your starting picture! Like you I breasfed (2 kids, one year each) but I'm older than you (36). My kids are 6 and 8 now.
Thanks for any advice. You know how it is when you are new and desperate for boobs!!



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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:17 PM

I don't mind posting here at all. I think it is great that we can all ask questions and compare notes.

I have been doing some form of nbe for a long time if you count bb machine, is about a year and a half. but if you mean when did I start routinely taking herbs was in early July. On the 5HTP my bottle said to only take one a day, they are 100mg, but you can safely take up to 400mg daily. I needed 200mg daily. just wanted to let you know you can take more if needed. give it 2 weeks and if you don't notice improvement try taking one more.

I'm not sure if timing has much to do with mine. I started herbs in the summer with fenugreek and sp and gained in my tummy, hips, thighs. cut out sp and that helped but whe i switched off fg to fennel seems to be much better now. so for me as far as gaining on the lower half I actually gained more there during the summer months and am losing there now even though I don't exercise and havent' lost any pounds. So I know something must be making my fat shift. no sure if credit is from switching to fennel, taking various stress reducing herbs or if skin brushing has anything to do with it. I do feel strongly that skin brushing has at least some to do with it, because since I stopped doing it the past two weeks some of my hip fat has come back. I have neither gained nore lost any weight. I am starting to take pictures of this area (though I'm not posting them) just so I can compare and be sure it is not just all in my head.

Another thing I must mention is that I started out with large breasts when I was young, each child I breastfed sucked more and more fat out of my boobs until they were half their original size. so that may have a lot to do with why I respond so quickly to everything I try, because they have already been much larger than they are now. Maybe that makes them more sensitive. What I am trying to say is that my results are probably not typical of the average person.


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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2007, 10:51 PM

ran out of 5HTP, gonna see how I do without it. Still taking st johns wort. also out of melatonin, will look into getting more. added progesterone cream (wild yam)and 2 pumpkin seed oil a day (2000mg total daily), seeing some improvement in acne but have been forgetting my herbs a lot this past week.

moving magnets more toward the outer half of nipples (half on/half off) in hopes of stimulating growth more toward the outter side. don't need any more inner boobs! they are so full on the inner half and yet not rounded on the outside, kinda strange. also occationally wearing magnets in my bra during the day. I found that if I use a contoured molded cup bra the magnets are not attracted to metals around me unless I actually touch to it. I think i will experiment with this for a week and see if any change or if it makes me stall. still don't do anything but positive polarities all night/day.

Note to self: Really, really got to quit caffeine! Come on, you can do it! You've done it before, you don't need that stuff. it's affecting your herbs absorption. Just stop already! Very bad stuff. And water, water, water...good stuff, drink water NOT sodas! You know you should, just do it


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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 3:01 AM

I have been pretty lazy and haven't been taking my herbs regularly in quite a long while. I am restarting my program today. Upping some of my dosages in hopes of prompting more growth after my loss from the wrong polarities with the magnets. After today's measurements I see that I actually gained back what I had lost! even though I haven't been taking my herbs. The magnet therapy must be kicking in now.

AM
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
2 fennel seed 1000mg total
1 st. johns wort
1 kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 fenugreek 500mg
1 green tea about 350mg
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)

PM
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (going to really try to stick with this now)
3-5 Papaya Enzyme (running low on these)
2 collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 st. john's wort
1 valerian root
1 benadryl
1 dong quai root about 530mg
1 goat's rue 500mg
1 hops 500mg
1 melatonin
2 pumpkin seed oil (2000mg total)

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This month's measurements:
11/20/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25" (back up)
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37" (up 1/4")
at nipples = 37.75 (back up)
collar bone to nipple = 7 (same)
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.6 (very slight increase)
waist = 28 (same
fattest part around hips = 35 (same)
fattest part around thigh = 23 (same)

still haven't given up caffeine...yet

(edited to take out some of the ======='s, can't stand how it widens the screen driving me crazy!)


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Re: kieyah's program page November 21 2007, 4:18 AM

also taking 1 red clover daily

also need to add i just started drinking soymilk again, gonna be diligent on the gelatin. but still not drinking enough water, still not massaging, still not doing boobie batter, no heating pad, very little protein intake, don't use massager anymore, no skin brushing.....I've been bad!




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Re: kieyah's program page December 2 2007, 6:22 PM

been taking a few days break from the magnets, still taking my herbs daily so not missing that anymore. still getting aches. left is getting bigger than right again (when I'm not doing any nbe my right has always been bigger).

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Re: kieyah's program page December 7 2007, 2:01 PM

I am increasing my dose of fg, fennel, hops, and gr each to about 1500mg total daily (similar to wu's dose).

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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2007, 4:27 AM

This month's measurements:
12/16/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 29"
3 inches above nipple = 36.5"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36
fattest part around thigh = 23

Woohoo! I finally hit the even 38". total gained since starting herbs: 3 inches
I am noticing another change in shape. they are starting to fill out at top and bottom of nipple. which makes them appear shorter or smaller from the side but actually they are fuller up top and slightly on bottoms. I think they look a bit less close together too. Will probably be able to tell more when there is more growth to see. this month only quarter inch growth. not noticing any more inner growth so I must have been right about it being from wearing the magnets at night. I have not been wearing magnets at night at all anymore, and only wear them during the day a few days a week. I have been really bad about not taking my herbs everyday too. really bad on the caffeine past few weeks.

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Great Progress! December 29 2007, 3:07 PM

It's me again, I haven't been to the web site in a while. I took 2 months of PM and saw no gain so I am back to herbs. I am taking about 3000 each of hops, fennel and FG daily and I am seeing some growth again so obviously that is what works for me. I am looking to fill in the tops as you are doing, and raise these girls back up some. I can see your progress and I have hope I can do the same. I know it is going to take time. I just HATE swallowing SO many pills 3 times a day!


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Forgot to say December 30 2007, 2:57 PM

I have noticed a huge difference also in my lips since taking the Max Life Collagen. WOW a difference I can see and feel. I am very excited about it. I sent a family photo to a family member this Christmas and I have not seen her in years, she told me "you never age" That felt great....................I think all the vitamins, herbs and supplements could be paying off in not just NBE. Are you still taking the collagen? I really like the Max Life from Twin Labs.



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Re: kieyah's program page December 30 2007, 8:01 PM

oh, I have been just terrible about not taking all those pills every day. Mostly I forget, sometimes I just don't have time, and other times I have a sore throat from the cold winter air. I have increased my doses but it is still very low dose so I think I am going to try taking all of them at night. I usually remember at night but often in the morning when i'm trying to get ready and out the door I just don't take the time to do it. I have also not been wearing the magnets every day. I will be really surprized if i have any more growth this month.

Another thing i might try emptying all the capsules into the gelatin drink and gulp it all down real fast. i still hate the taste of the gelatin so I usually gulp it down fast anyway. Eve did not use capsules so I don't see why it would make a difference in results. it just probably taste horrible. but that would give me another option when I don't feel like choking down so many pills.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 2:20 AM

I forgot to answer your collagen question. I do still have them in my pills to take at night but honestly I haven't been taking them in several weeks. The past few months have a pattern of 1-2 weeks a month of really taking my herbs on time, followed by 2-3 weeks of nothing. I am so bad! I am going to try for a week or two to take everyting at night (all herbs/pills once a day including collagen). and if I can't even keep up with that I will try just the magnets all by themselves again and give herbs another break.

Have you tried magnets? I think the reason i am filling out up top so much lately is from them. If I end up quitting herbs for a while I may find out. and I really think the collagen and gelatin makes me retain more of my growth so that i don't lose most of it when my period comes.



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Re: Kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 3:02 AM

Sounds like going from the frying pan into the fire...when you get tired of taking so many pills ...just go to drinking down some awful tasting concoction! haha The Knox Nutrajoint doesn't have any taste...at least not supposed to and I don't taste anything when I put it in my coffee.


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Re: kieyah's program page January 1 2008, 12:53 PM

Where do you get the magnets from? I don't know much about them.



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Re: kieyah's program page January 2 2008, 3:59 AM

here are the ones I use: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DA2
They are really cheap, but if you aready have some strong magnets you might want to try those first. Another girl used some she had that were for crafts and they seem to be working for her.

hahaa mango! yeah maybe the taste will be so horrible I will be glad to go back to choking down the pills! I have never tried the nutrajoint. I may have to try it. too bad I bought about a 6 month supply of the knox for nails. it is orange flavored. i just hate the sugar free sweeteners. I hate the taste of diet sodas too. yuck! but that's just me. I have been seeing on ebay some gelatin powder from NOW that is tasteless. Maybe it is like the nutrajoint.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2008, 4:46 AM

ok so for the past two days I have managed to make myself choke down all the pills at night. i think this is easier for me than spreading it out 2-3 times a day.
yasmin
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Dong quai root about 530mg
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
2 Licorice root 1000mg total
1 Valerian root
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin

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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2008, 1:58 PM

switching from jasmin to orthotricyclene. also since I tend to be really lazy about taking pills during end and beginning of cycle, I am going to try out taking 1-2 week breaks during this time (which is basically what I've been doing, just unintended until now) and see how that goes.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2008, 2:27 AM

today I start ortho and will do two week cycle of herbs all taken at the same time at night.
1 Magnesium citrate 100mg
1 women's multivitamin
3 Fennel 1500mg total
3 Fenugreek 1500mg
3 Goat's Rue 1500mg
3 Hops 1500mg
1 Kelp 660mg (400mcg iodine)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C (vit C total 250mg, Hydrolyzed Collagen 1480mg)
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg (to counteract the acne I get from herbs)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin

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Re: kieyah's program page January 16 2008, 3:18 AM

This month's measurements:
1/15/07 (cycle day 5)
underbust = 28.5"
3 inches above nipple = 36.25"
1 1/2 inches above nipple = 37"
at nipples = 38"
collar bone to nipple = 7"
chest below breast to center of nipple = 3.75"
waist = 28
fattest part around hips = 36.5
fattest part around thigh = 23

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Re: kieyah's program page January 18 2008, 2:17 AM

Kieyah you may not have growth this month BUT those girls don't sag like they did in the first pics. They are fuller NO doubt about it. I have been at it for 5 months now and I do notice a difference in mine also. Much fuller and a lot less jiggle and sag. You have made a difference no doubt. I never cared if I grew or not, I wanted to get less sag and raise the girls back up. It seems to be working so far.



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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 9:17 PM

How is your routine going? Do you have a program page? Yeah, the shape has changed for sure. but I am going for growth more than that. So having no growth in a months time is a bit sad for me. though certainly not surprising since i have been getting really sick of taking so many pills and terrible about not taking them. I even slowed down the magnets to only 3 days a week. So it's no wonder. I'm considering taking a full break again and maybe try something else for a while. Taking all these pill is really getting hard for me. Lately I find myself gagging on them and they have come back up a few times, not fun


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Re: kieyah's program page January 19 2008, 10:50 PM

Hi Kieyah,

I really sympathise with the pill swallowing, I've always had trouble with pills and just can't do the big capsules at all. Have you thought about opening them? I've taken loose powdered herbs and although the smell when you open the jar is disgusting you take such a tiny dose that you can't taste it if you just mix it in your food or some yoghurt, porridge, cereal, custard etc. I also find it easier to swallow something nasty than a big tasteless capsule so just mixing the powder with some sugar and lemon juice in a teaspoon and swallowing is better than gulping down the pills. Hope you find something that suits you x



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Re: kieyah's program page January 20 2008, 3:26 AM

No I haven't tried that yet, thanks Louise. I do need to give that a try I guess before I give up. I was thinking a while back about maybe mixing the powder in with the gelatin drink mix, but thought it would be too disgusting. It is super sweet and orange flavored. I hate the taste though, but it might be easier to gulp down than a bunch of pills. I think I will give it a try tonight and see how it goes. Does the taste make you gag? my pills are 00 size too. Maybe that is why. They didn't use to bother me though.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 21 2008, 2:57 AM

well swallowing the powder didn't work for me. I think I'm gonna take a break from herbs for a while. For now I will continue the magnets alone.

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Re: kieyah's program page February 20 2008, 10:45 PM

Done with my break for now. I have ordered wonderup and it arrived today so gonna give that a try for a while. Less pills to choke down. Gonna try to continue with gelatin and collagen. I also still seem to be getting some breakouts lately even with no herbs in my body so I might try taking the pumpkin seed oil again if I can manage not to choke. For now gonna try this:

1 women's multivitamin
6 Wonder-up per day
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams
2 Collagen with vit C
1 5-htp 200mg
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin

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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:35 AM

gonna just do 4 wonderup per day

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Re: kieyah's program page February 23 2008, 1:55 AM

I am officially 32DD/34D


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Re: kieyah's program page February 25 2008, 8:12 PM

32E rather, most 34D's are a bit small in the cup and I hang out a bit. Less on the E's I think these are more full-coverage. I don't like overhang.
Holey crap they are soooooo sore today!

forgot to put in pre-wu measurments
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"


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Re: kieyah's program page February 29 2008, 3:41 AM

well for the past few days they have been so incredibly sore and swollen. but today they actually look bigger. looks like they are growing outwards now. whereas before (individual herbs) they were mostly filling in along the tops and before that was the center (clevage area). so not much difference in terms of inches. needless to say I am very pleased with the change.

also since I have gotten new bras I haven't been using the magnets. don't know if that made any difference or not. But I think I will continue without them for now as long as I continue to have progress without them. I have also added progesterone cream once a day during last 1-2 weeks of cycle(to help with pms). I started this while on my break. So wondering if that might have made me more sensitive to the wu and helped it to work better. also I am still on orthotri and no pumpkinseed.

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Break and Wonderup March 8 2008, 8:33 PM

Don't know if you knew but I took a break about the same time as you. It has been a month now. I lost quite a bit and the fullness I had is gone. I feel deflated. My husband is deflated also if you know what I mean, he keeps asking when I will start back. Wow MEN! I will be very anxious to see how the WU works for you. I would love to try it myself but I am in the US and do not know how to get it. I would love to be able to take less pills. Keep me posted!


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Re: kieyah's program page March 8 2008, 9:04 PM

Vortexhealth ship WU to US, lots of girls have used it - I think it takes about 1-2 weeks depending where you live.

Kieyah, thanks for your continued help x



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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 3:43 AM

yes, I live in US and ordered through vortex. only took about a week. I think it is working for me a little already but time will tell. Tomorrow will be cycle day 5 so will measure in then. I don't think I've actually grown yet, just fullness but I can see it so I'm hopeful I actually had quite a bit of swelling before my cycle this time around and it's been since I was teen since I've had that much cycle swelling (I was coming out of my new bras). not sure if that means anything but wanted to make note of it. I also don't seem to have much acne problem with WU (so far) like I did on individual herbs even though it clearly states on the bottle that WU contains fenugreek and I'm not taking pumpkinseed oil or any androgen blockers. I wonder if WU contains any androgen blockers? of course it could just be too early to tell...


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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 1:22 PM

I also responded well herbs so hopefully if you do with WU I would also. I was taking a HANDful of herbs 3 times a day. It was hard to do. I need to start back on something soon, but I want to take Milk Thistle for a liver cleanse first. Thanks so much for letting me know I can order from the US. Did you just use a credit card and what is the cost?



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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 8:57 PM

I paid with cc. they take paypal, international money orders, & credit cards. These are definatly easier to take than a whole handful of herbs at a time. I was so sick of doing that. These are just two pills three times a day. I have only been taking twice a day. If that gives me any results I will stick with that to make the bottle last longer. I did not order the cream but if you do please let me know how it works for you.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 9:29 PM

This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 28.5"
@ nipple: 38.25"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"

I only just started WU about 2 weeks ago. so will be very curious to see how it goes after a full month. I had some wonderful cycle swelling this month just like when i was a teen. Wonder if that means anything and if this is due to the WU, progesterone cream, the ortho-tri, or even a combo of all of these. But I think it might mean I've finally hit the right hormone level for me since this is how my boobs acted in my teens. I will try to stick with this routine. Now that I'm not doing individual herbs maybe i won't be so tempted to wonder off and try new things. It is so easy to just pop two pills morning and night and that's it. no queeziness or gagging so far. I can do this!

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Re: kieyah's program page March 9 2008, 10:15 PM

Kieyah - are you taking combined BCP + progesterone cream?

I never have had any cycle swelling (apart from my usual small waist disappearing!) and don't think I had swelling or soreness when I was developing but I was so early I can't really remember. Would you say you get a whole cup more?



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Re: kieyah's program page March 10 2008, 3:08 AM

I'd say about half a cup cycle swelling. I don't usually get any noticable cycle swelling in the boobs, not since my teens. This time my bras were super tight. I am hoping this is a good sign. I am taking ortho-tri cyclene (not the low dose one). this is the bcp that I took back in my teens when my boobs went from C to overflowing D, so thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to that again. and since my pms had gotten bad (not related to the pill) I started using NOW brand progesterone cream during that last week of my cycle when I start feeling very irritated and also during my period. at least during the days that are bad and I remember to use it. I started doing this during my break but even before my break I was trying to get used to using it, just not very routinely. So it might have had time to start helping.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 12 2008, 4:46 PM

Hi Kieyah - Since you said you are okay with people commenting here, I thought I'd ask you a question if you don't mind. I haven't been on here in a looong time because I am balancing my estrogen dominance with progesterone. Your pictures are really impressive, and I noticed you had stretch marks in your earlier photos. Do you think they just improved because you filled out with NBE? I was just wondering if you attribute their improvement to anything else. You cannot see them at all in your newer pics. My stretch marks were most likely caused by being estrogen dominant and being on the pill at the same time. Do you think massage, collagen, or gelatine helped at all? Thanks a lot, and congrats on your results!

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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 2:37 AM

I guess I never really paid that much attention to the stretch marks so I can't be sure exactly what helped. I can say that the magnets really improved the overall tone and I think helped to thicken the skin if that makes since. So maybe that is what did it? otherwise the collagen may have helped since it really plumps up my lips maybe it helped there too? I didn't notice any change with the gelatin other than my finger nails were hard as a rock and never broke and grew like crazy. I don't think you can grow into stretch marks. I have them on my hips and bottom too and they only seem worse when I gain weight and improve when I lose weight. Although I guess we are all different and perhaps different parts of the body behave differently.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 13 2008, 11:41 AM

thanks kieyah! it doesn't seem like you minded, but i just wanted to say that i just noticed because i have them (i wouldn't mind them if they were like yours either - i wish! mine are just really bad) and they really bother me. I had some collagen but never used it consistently; maybe I'll try it again for the lips part if anything else! Thanks for taking the time to respond.



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Re: kieyah's program page March 14 2008, 12:31 AM

Yes I totally recommend collagen if only for the beautiful full lips and glowing complexion.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 3:29 AM

Well I was doing really well with this routine but lately been missing my morning dose. Which is really bad since I am already taking such a small dose.

Really need to give this a good hard try. It's not that hard really. Just take them first thing in the morning and last thing before bed. Come on, you can do it!
Gonna try drinking soymilk again too if I can stomach it. I used to love it but lately taste is funny. Ran out of collagen too. For now only taking WU and BCP.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 22 2008, 2:46 PM

Hi Kieyah

Thanks for posting your pictures and treatment Program, your info are very important and helpful, and your result is amazing. I am doing some research on PM, natural breast enlargement herbs and different treatment plans, I am quite new to this forum, I was wondering what is WU and BCP? Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you.

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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 2:33 AM

Welcome to the forum! No problem. WU is abreviation for wonderup which is well known on the forums to have great success. BCP is birth control pill. I am currently taking ortho tri-cyclen.



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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 12:06 PM

Hi Kieyah

Thanks for your prompt reply, now I understand what you girls were talking about.

I have ordered 3 months supply of PM and waiting for the products to arrive, since I've found this forum, I am so looking forward to start my breast enlargement treatment, as I have seen many successful results and true stories, which is encouraging and I really can't wait to start soon.

I have tried natural breast enlargement before, but failed, I really keep my finger crossed this time with PM, hope this stuff will works for me. I have noticed that you are same age as me, I'm just wondering have you experience any growing pain at all during the treatment?

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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 4:02 PM

Yes, I usually get a lot of aches and tingles especially when I first start something new. Then as I get used to it, not so much just slight aches. But with the single herbs I sometimes would get more aches when I forgot to take them for a few days. I think it has something to do with the fact that I breastfeed 3 little ones so i probably am more sensitive to hormone changes than most women. With WU I experienced a TON of aches when I first started. With magnets I also experienced a lot of aches especially during the beginning. I don't massage so I guess maybe I just don't notice the aches as much as others do who massage. Massage is supposed to be very important, so I'm not saying you don't need it. I'm just very busy and after the grow yours routine I guess I am burned out on massage for a long time now. I also feel that massage produces temporary swelling, which I don't want. I want true growth, not just swelling. But on the other hand it helps with circulation which seems like that would maybe help the herbs go to the right place, kinda like to wake them up (Hey herbs, over here!). And to clear the lymph and junk in there which might help them to function better and the herbs to take effect better.

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Re: kieyah's program page April 2 2008, 1:56 AM

I have been drinking slimfast shakes and have lost some fullness in my boobs. For the past few days i have been noticing some itching on the nipples. Not sure what this is. I have not been using magnets for a long time now. So it can't be that. I'm thinking the loss in fullness is making them rub against inside my bra? This is depressing. I have come so far but I do want to lose a few pounds. Guess I have to save up for another bb machine. and maybe that will stop the loss from coming from there.

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Re: kieyah's program page April 7 2008, 3:51 AM

Well I was right about having lost some fullness. But not as bad as I thought. I am still going to stop drinking slimfast or anything to try to lose weight until I can get me another BB to keep it from coming off from there.

This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 29"
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 37"
armpit level: 36.5"

I'm not going to post pics because it doesn't look much different and I didn't gain anything. I can tell some of the fullness above the nipple area is gone but that's all that is noticible. I still fill out my new bras but there is no cleavage coming out the top anymore. I have been on antibiotics for a sinus infection so that probably didn't help either.

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Re: kieyah's program page April 23 2008, 1:23 AM

well been slacking off again but have been feeling aches so maybe what little I have been taking when I do remember is enough, but probably not. I can feel some big swollen lobes though.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:24 AM

@ nipple 37.75" so lost a quarter inch this month

I have ordered a set of XL bb domes and going to use these with a breastmilk pump to similate the BB machine. They should be arriving sometime this week. Once I have used these for a few weeks, I plan to try to lose some weight. Hopefully this will help to prevent the weight from coming off my boobs (modeling this after louise who was able to lose weight and yet gained boobs with brava).

In the meantime, I am going to give magnets another try. Maybe this will help kick start things since WU doesn't seem to be doing much on its own. Also going to try 6 WU a day (up from 4/day). I might even do a little massage. I guess it is normal not to grow every month. But I am so used to it that I feel really down that I'm suddenly not growing anymore. I know this is not my genetic limit because I have already been larger than this even as a teenager. So i'm not giving up. I'm so close to my goal. I also wonder if WU just doesn't affect my body. With single herbs i had horrible acne even on a very low dose of fenugreek. and yet with a much higher dose in WU I don't get acne.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:39 AM

also wanted to add that I have done a little (very little) massage and have noticed that one of the broken capillaries is getting a lot smaller. it is barely noticable now. the other one closer to the nipple appears unchanged. i am going to do a little bit of fingertip massage directly to these areas, since i think the little bit of massage i have done so far is what has helped to heal the one.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 9:31 PM

I also forgot to use the pc during my last and first week of cycle this last time around. not sure now much impact that had but needs noting. I haven't taken collagen in a long time since I ran out and can't seem to find more. I am also going to try to drink more water and add more protein to my diet. I haven't been drinking soy or eating much meat lately. I've been drinking a lot of soda lately. I've been so bad. I will give wu on more try and if no significant growth this month I'm gonna switch back to single herbs. I know they say to give it 6 months but I responded quickly to single herbs so I am rather disappointed.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 10 2008, 2:10 AM

BB domes arrived. I will begin using a homemade airlock with these once or twice a day until I can get either a BB or another eventflo pump to use with the BB domes.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:38 AM

ok so after reviewing my program history I find that I had my most rapid growth when I was taking single herbs very low dose only 1000mg daily, often missing this dose and also taking collagen and gelatin at least when i remembered. Think I will add the gelatin back in, order me some more collagen and give that a go to see if maybe I require these in order to grow. If this doesn't make the wu work I will go back to single herbs once this bottle runs out. I really don't understand why wu wouldn't work just like all the other single herbs I was taking. Unless my body just doesn't like extract form of herbs. this would be the first attempt at extract herbs taken internally.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:40 AM

oh and I'm already sick of the BB domes with airlock. I have got to save up for the real machine. airlocking sucks!

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Re: kieyah's program page May 15 2008, 2:55 AM

starting to get pimples again. Not sure if this means the WU is starting to work or if it is a bad sign. I definately don't like acne but will continue until they are gone. I will lower my dose to only 2 a day PM.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 21 2008, 12:22 AM

starting collagen again, only 2 WU a day, and melatonin. taking these at night. no massage and not using suction. going to order a real BB soon.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 25 2008, 5:29 AM

Good news I am noticing some slight achiness today. Hopefully things will pick back up again. I have added back in my herbal med because my diaphram is hurting again. It has a few things in it that could possibly be nbe beneficial. So just wanted to note that. So program has been:

1 women's multivitamin
2 Wonder-up per day (extremely low dose but should put me close to when i was taking single herbs)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (when I remember which isn't very often)
2 Collagen with vit C
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total (just for a week or so to help with the new pimples I'm getting wiht WU)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin

3 tablets herbal blend med:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg

That's it. Still not massaging. I keep thinking I will give that a try again. And I keep thinking i'm going to add magnets in again but I haven't yet. I may not do either since I'm planning to give BB a try again. should be getting my BB machine by the end of this week.



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Re: kieyah's program page May 31 2008, 2:59 AM

Starting BB today. so won't be taking anymore pics until after BB finished, otherwise it would be pic of swelling not true growth. I will continue to measure each month and maybe even each week, to help determine if BB is having effect. Probably have to measure before and after BB session to know how much swelling and how much is maintained. After a few weeks and I am able to maintain some swelling throughout the day, I will begin trying to lose weight. With the idea that losing weight while using BB will keep the weight from coming off my boobs. I will continue with WU and others until WU runs out then will go back to single herbs.

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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2008, 10:00 PM

For the past week I am using once a day for 60 minutes at about 10 o'clock on firm setting. I of course slowly worked up to this, but for the past couple days I have been at that setting. So far I am maintaining about a half cup size swelling from BB that is staying all day. Very nice! It seems the swelling is staying much longer than I remember from the first time I tried this so maybe there is hope for more growth!

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Re: kieyah's program page June 13 2008, 3:50 AM

woops more like 9 o'clock maybe just below that. I don't want to have marks or pain so I plan to just very slowly work my way up. I still don't have silicone sheeting. It is so expensive now. Guess I have to save up for it. I am still maintaining at least half a cup size increase throughout the day until my next session. I can just barely still wear the same size bras. If I swell anymore than this I will have to find some bras to wear during swelling stage. I hope it is ok to continue wearing tight bras. I do suction at night so when I start doing twice a day I will probably have to get new bras. So far no marks. I am going to try to re-dedicate myself to drinking the gelatin mixes again.

I am going to start drinking slimfast shakes and possibly start an exercise routine to try to lose weight. So I don't know if I should even expect any growth at all, or just to maintain what I already have. I have been considering doing some light massaging because they get sore and feel very heavy. I can feel what seems like one really huge lobe inside them both. It reminds be of when I was a teenager except that it is a bit deeper inside. So I hope this is maybe a good sign.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2008, 6:07 AM

After five months on wonderup it is cycle day 5 and 3 days without bb so I measured. I am still at 38.5" @ nipple. So I have had no growth from wu. I am not going to continue with it anymore. I am going to continue for now taking the other suppliments and BB. I may start single herbs again. Haven't decided yet. I am pretty upset having wasted all these months on wu. I really wanted it to work. It was so much easier just to swallow a couple pills a day rather than a handful at a time.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2008, 7:41 PM

This is really weird my last post is gone. anyway I am starting this on date of 7/19/08.
I am adding individual herbs back in, might take another break from bb and trying to get used to wearing magnets for a short period each day. So I never grew on wu and it seems that I should have grown with wu since it is similar. I may have reached my growth limit, or maybe wu just wasn't for me. I guess we shall see what happens. I will repost my doses later.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 4 2008, 7:22 PM

up until now i have been taking 500mg each
fenugreek
fennel
hops
dong quai
licorice

stopping fenugreek due to breakouts again, upping fennel to 1000mg instead.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 5 2008, 7:49 PM

What cup size are you at now? And what was the biggest you have gotten through out the whole time you have been taking the herbs?
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Oh I Forgot! August 6 2008, 11:03 PM

Kieyah, you know what has really helped me with the breakouts that stem from fenugreek? It is a Zinc supplement with at least 15 mg of zonc in each dose, as well as some witch hazel. You will start ti notice the difference.

Also, I would like to say I am encouraged to continue with my NBE plans after seeing your great results. I would just like to know what size did you go up to?

Thanks, again



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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:00 PM

Sorry to take so long replying. i don't check this page very often. I am currently a full 34D or 32E. I do overflow the cups a little, sometimes more than others. This IS the biggest i have ever been while taking herbs. I may have reached my nbe limit. But I am going to give individual herbs one more chance and see what happens. starting slow and very low dose so shouldn't really be expecting anything for a few months until I reach the right dose.


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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:40 PM

this month's measurements:
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"

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here is a more complete list of what I have been taking:
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these I take in PM and I never miss a dose:
ortho tri-cyclen
fennel 1000mg
hops 500mg
dong quai 500mg (I am increasing this to 1000mg starting today)
licorice 45mg
hops 500mg
5-HTP 200mg
allergy meds

these I take in AM and often forget:
collagen 1480mg
kelp or spirulina 500mg
other vitamins (vit-C, calcium, l-glutamate)




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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 10:23 PM

I was just wondering do you have any updated pictures of your "new" size?
Thanks again.



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Re: kieyah's program page August 12 2008, 3:52 AM

My most recent picture on my picture page is what i look like now. I haven't grown anymore in five or so months (since trying wonderup). No loss/no gain, just the same. When/if I start growing again now that I am switching to individual herbs then I will be posting new pics each month again, if I grow anymore.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 22 2008, 4:05 AM

I have been sick for a couple weeks now, and still going. No herbs for more than a week now.

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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 3:14 AM

I am taking a break from nbe. I occationally still do bb though. I just wanted to add a note so noone thinks i've been sick ALL this time! I won't be checking in as much.

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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 1:34 PM

Kieyah,

When you say BB, is that bountiful breast?
Have you kept all your growth so far? Did you see a decrease at all when stopping herbs?
I wanted to ask you about your BO experience. Did it make you grow at all? What kinds of things did you experience? What things to do you think worked best to let you grow?

You really had great results and I would love to get results like that.
Thanks


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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2008, 3:09 AM

You are truly inspiring. To see your before and then after pics, it gives me hope!
I was just wondering how long it took you to get to this size you are now? It says on your program Page you started on Feb. 2006 and continued until? So you have been doing this for approximately 2 years? WOW! That's called determination! I would love to become a Full DD, if it takes 2 years then I will do it, as long as I reach my end goal.

I hope you do come back on here soon!

Oh yah, since stopping have you lost anything?



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Re: kieyah's program page November 19 2008, 10:20 PM

Hi, sorry I haven't been around much. Yes I've been doing this for a LONG time! But it has been worth it. And I'm not even done yet. Anytime I talk about BB I am referring to the bosom beauty machine. That was the very first thing I ever tried and then I found out about herbs and so on.

I have never tried bountiful breast. I did very briefly try the DNE brand BO back when it was actually BO (now it is PO). ANyway it didn't agree with me. It made me very dizzy and I got scared of it. It could have been that the other herbs I was coming off of were still in my system so I may have been overloaded. I have considered trying it again one day but I still get scared when I think about the possible risk of MCD. I wasn't on it long enough for any real growth. I am getting my hormones tested after my next cycle so I expect to find out if my hormones are still out of wack or not. After that I am considering restarting herbs. I'm still doing BB once in a while but not routinely.

On the asking whether I lost anything. When I completely stopped herbs I felt like I had lost some fullness, but when I measured it was always the same. I haven't measured in some time so I will with my next cycle. I also quit BCP but I still get the swelling/puffiness with my cycles that I did on the pill. I don't know what that means but I know I didn't get that for many many years before and I wanted to make note of it. Maybe it's a good thing? or maybe it means my hormones are still messed up. If they are and I can get them fixed maybe that alone will help get me to growing again. Or maybe I've reached my limit if there is one. I am honored to be an inspiration and I do think they are lovely now, but unfortunately they just still don't balance out my figure yet.



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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 3:26 AM

Thanks so much for replying.

My main problem with NBE is that I never continue. You inspired me because you actually followed through and got really good results. I only wish I could get results like you.

I am a 32A/32 small B and would love to be a full D or even a Double D! I am so self-conscious that it almost prevents me from achieving my NBE goals. If I don't see results right away, I get discouraged and give up. Can you give me any advice on how you continued on your program for so long? I just need to find one thing and stick with it. I never even take anything long enough to see results, I am just too impatient because it really affects my self-esteem. I just want it now, which I know is not going to happen. But for some reason I can't help myself. I DO NOT want implants but some times I wonder what it would be like to finally reach a full D, which could be achieved instantly through getting implants. My main reason for doing NBE is to feel better about myself and they way I look.

Congrats on the growth again and its good to hear you have not lost anything. What do you mean they still don't balance out your figure yet? Too big? Too small? I would love to say that my breasts are lovely and perhaps one day I will. You will continue to be an inspiration to me as I seen you do this so I know it can be done I just need to give it time.

How did you remain determined, focused, persistent, and consistent for 2 years? Please let me know your secret.

Thanks again for responding.




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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 6:15 AM

Hi Keiyah, I hope you dont mind my posting here, I am one month into my program and haven't seen a real difference yet, but will keep going with it for another month or so to see what happens. If it doesn't work, I would like to try your program, your story sounds just like mine and your starting pic looks almost like mine too, I am hopeful I can get to the smae point you have!! I miss filling out my tops!



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Re: kieyah's program page November 22 2008, 5:01 AM

how did I stick with it? I guess it was because I was so consumed with it all. I spent lots of time on here and on the internet researching. I was constantly finding new ideas to try so when I grew too bored with something I tried something else for a while or just added it to my routine. I also read lots of success stores on here and that helped to keep me going.

I grew sick of routines too and was very eager for quick results. It takes time to learn patience. I like to think that the longer it takes, the more likely it is to be permanent.

They still don't balance out because I have fat chunky thighs. I either need to gain more boobs to balance it out or lose weight and keep my boobs. I'd rather lose weight but that's not happening for me.

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Re: kieyah's program page November 28 2008, 12:14 AM

Ok measurements now are:
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
underbust: 29"

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Re: kieyah's program page December 8 2008, 10:21 PM

I am back to using BB daily and taking collagen, zinc, and starting back on gelatin.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:46 AM

I am going to start keeping a diary of my bb usage.

I have been using most days for 30 minutes once a day @ 9 o'clock with xl domes. they are completely filled widthwise even before I start pumping, and nearly full heightwise even at this low setting and short time. I have no idea what I will do when these are outgrown, which will probably be very soon. I can tape my nips down for a little while, then I guess I will have to stop and move on to something else.

If anyone has any ideas what I can do to adapt the domes to fit bigger? would be great!

I still want about another half cup and then as long as I like the shape of then I will be done.
I have starting setting the domes far apart as possible covering only half way (nips to armpit) to try to grow the outter sides (they are very close-set) for about 10-15 mins each session. I'm considering using magnets again. I can't think of anything else to note for now.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:50 AM

My measurements today:
@ nipple: 39.25"
above nipple: 38"
armpit level: 37.5"
underbust: 29"
it's weird because it doesn't look any different to me.

It has been at least three days since I last pumped but it is still important to note that I am using bb again (though not everyday) so some, if not all, of this increase is due to swelling (especially since I am not doing any other form of nbe). I am also starting to exercise and eating less to try to lose weight. I did not continue to take gelatin, zinc, or collagen everyday as I had planned (big surprise). I have found I have really bad allergies which keeps my throat feeling raw, swollen, and sore so that must be why I just hate taking pills so much and tend to gag on them.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 4:49 AM

Do you have any new pics of your new size?

I am amazed at your growth. You really inspire me to go on because I see that NBE is possible it just takes some work.

Thanks for posting your routine and pics.



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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2009, 9:32 PM

No I haven't taken any new pics. I think it would be kind of dishonest to post new pics yet since I am using the bb pump again. it is likely nothing but swelling at this point. Others might misinterpret it as growth. When I have finished or at least taken a break for several months straight then I would consider what is left to be more permanent growth and will take new pics then. I am only posting my measurements to keep track of to see if they increase, go up and down, or just retain over the duration of my bb routine. I'm sure they will go down slowly when I stop. The trick is to keep going long enough that the measurements don't go all the way back to original size when the whole routine is finished for good. I don't know whether to even expect to grow anymore. But I'm going to try. If I never grow again I will probably still keep my machine. It keeps them perky. I'll probably be using this in my eighties!

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kieyah's program page January 13 2009, 1:05 AM

Kieyah - who makes/manufactures the collagen supplements you take? I found this stuff called "NeoCell Super Collagen + C Type I and III". Any recommendations?



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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2009, 2:47 AM

The one I take is made by Mason Natural. It has lots of vitamin C in it. I don't really know a whole lot about collaen but vitamin C is supposed to help the body absorb the collagen. So you should take some with it if yours doesn't have it in there already.



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Hey remember me? April 2 2009, 3:21 PM

It's been a year since I posted a note to you! I got so sick of taking all those pills I quit. I did lose 1 inch but I did keep some of the work I had done BUT my husband noticed the difference, asked me if I had lost weight DOH! I had gained 5 pounds. I knew he was talking about my boobs. Well Greenbush has a new enhancement blend, less pills to take and they even have just liquid. Started it 3 days ago and have gained 1/2 inch already! I can already feel the fullness and tingles again. Wow I am happy! How's it going with you?



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Re: kieyah's program page April 3 2009, 8:22 PM

That's awesome! Congrats on the growth girl! Well as usually I've been very bad about not sticking with anything. I am just so busy and I guess lazy too. I may have to check out those new pills or the liquid. I still hate taking pills. Is the liquid gross tasting or how do you take it, do you put it in something? I haven't measured in a long time but I don't think I've lost anything. If so it wouldn't be too much. I really need to lose some weight though. I finally got another BB machine but I'm so lazy to use it. I thought if I can get to using it regular then I'd be ready to lose weight and maybe not lose it up top, kinda the idea after how louise did with brava. but I still don't stick with it. Maybe one of these days things will slow down or I will find something I can stick with. I've been noticing since I stopped BCP that my pms bloating and boob swelling/soreness has returned with a vengence. I never did have my hormones tested. It is so expensive. Let me know how it goes with GB.

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Re: kieyah's program page May 27 2009, 9:23 PM

It has been a long time. I need to make some notes although they are a bit overdue. I have started depo injections. I have lost 10+ pounds and as you can imagine with it went a bit of boobage, especially on top. Any way so I am gonna try to commit to several things to help regain the boobage without regaining the weight. I'm gonna do a bit of massage each night (not a lot) mostly for firmness, drink my gelatin drink at night that I used to take, take 1000mg fennel each night, maybe add collagen, and bb for 20-30min a night. I may throw in magnets for fullness and clevage enhancement at night. So here are my measurements:

@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 36"
armpit level: 35"
underbust: 28.5"

I'll check back in every now and then if I can stick with it.

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Re: kieyah's program page June 29 2009, 9:42 PM

Started yaz last week. I don't know what I'm going to do now.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 6 2009, 11:38 PM

I'm starting greenbush fennel. I have ordered MSM since there has been so much talk about that. When it arrives I will be adding it in too. Still haven't decided whether to massage or BB? I am still working on losing just a tiny bit more weight. but anyway for now I am doing this:

2 fennel 2x day (575mg each)
yaz BCP
high protein/low carb diet
exercise 4-5x week (30-60min of walking)
colon clear (I only take one a day)
total body purifier
gonna try massage for a week or two and see how that goes.

I need to find my tape and remeasure. I know I have lost some more volume. So far I have lost a total of 15 lbs. I don't really want to lose any more weight but I still want to lose just a bit more fat in some areas. I'll post my new "before" measurements when I find my tape measure.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2009, 7:21 AM

Kieyah,

Did you pump while taking herbs? How did you find that experience? Do you think that is why you kept your gains? How long in total did you pump for?

Thanks.



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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:38 AM

sorry it took me so long to get back toyou. I don't usually get on here much. No I ddin't take herbs initially at all. I pumped initially (the first time) for 9 months to a year. I didn't even know about herbs back then. I had heard about brava and had researched into it but it was way to expensive. Kept pondering it and I joined the bosom buddies group on yahoo to see what their honest reviews and results were and heard about the bb machine which is way less expensive and bought one. Evenually I got a pair of brava domes off ebay and tried bb machine using those domes, well that recked the domes but it kept me on that group and one day (after I had already gotten my results with bb) someone on there mentioned using herbs and posted a link to eve's and other boards and I found this place. Anyway, no I did not take herbs of any kind initially and I don't think that made the gains stick. I do think that continuing to use the machine for a longer time than most women use it probably didn't hurt. The herbs I later used helped me to grow even more. So basically I used bb machine until I had maxed out my growth with it, then tried herbs and massage, etc. until I either got bored with one, too excited over a new thing I wanted to try, or felt I had maxed out on growth from that one and then moved on to something else. Many times I did multiple things simultaniously. I also listened to my body a lot. If I felt I wasn't responding or had a bad vibe so to speak, I would drop it. I do think the herbs helped me to grow a great deal. But I don't think they helped with sagging. The bb machine and magnets were the only things that seemed to improve shape, tone, and sagging.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:42 AM

So I think I may wait before starting my program up again. I have been putting it off the whole time because I'm wanting to give the yaz a chance to clear up my hormones and acne before I go messing them up again with fennel. I have been so moody and every little change seems to cause me to start spotting again so I don't want to take a chance messing with this just yet. I also ordered a massager that never arrived and I am too lazy to massage manually I'm so bad!

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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 5:46 AM

Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it.

I decided to go with the Noogleberry because it was cheap and when I went on the forum it had really good reviews and great before and after pictures. This appears to be what I was looking for. I needed something to get them inflated and ROUND again. I wasn't really thinking to use suction devices but I am looking for the same results as you. Right now I am an A Cup/Small B cup and I am hoping to get to a Full D/Full DD, only because that is what my breast grew to while pregnant, I feel at that size I would be very full. I also think it would match my size. I am about 120 lbs and 5'3. I have bigger/muscular thighs though so I think that a D/DD would be a good size, what do you think?

I was wondering if you took used your BB machine while taking herbs? If so, did you notice better results when you did?

Thanks again.

*Would it be better if I emailed you (to the one on here), since I know you dont come on here often.



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Re: kieyah's program page July 17 2009, 3:22 AM

I don't use that email anymore. I will be on here every now and then though. I don't think I ever used bb at the same time as herbs. I don't see why it wouldn't help them to work. But if you have great success you won't know which one did it or if they each played a part. If that doesn't bother you then I'd say go for it. You sound like the same body type as me and that sounds like a good size to complement your curves.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:40 AM

bought some super strength papaya enzyme I'm going to start taking that and 3 fennel a day 575mg each. using bb when I have time and feel like it.

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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:45 AM

also I am now 30yo

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Re: kieyah's program page July 31 2009, 5:58 PM

I have managed to stick with taking 3 fennel a day and most days papaya enzyme and my boobs are so freaking sore!

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Re: kieyah's program page August 8 2009, 7:51 PM

although I can't find my tape measure I am seeing results! They are so freaking sore though. I find I almost have to massage to make them feel better. I also notice a huge knot behind both nipples. As I recall this happens during puberty, so I guess that is a good sign. Wish I could measure. I have also lost a few more pounds so any increase or just a lack of decrease is a good thing. So what I'm able to stick with is 3 fennel a day pm. I am taking 3 papaya every now and then and massaging almost daily with a handheld massager when they are super sore. I use the bb once in a while but I've been meaning to use it nightly. I don't really know I should be massaging and use bb at the same time so a bit reluctant to stick to either one.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 19 2009, 2:40 AM

I have added in 4g of MSM for about a week now, they are so sore again. I don't usually remember my papaya anymore. still taking 3 fg each night. seem very full but still not tape measure. I figure it is somewhere in my closet that I have yet to organize.

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Re: kieyah's program page August 23 2009, 12:35 AM

wow, so amazingly sore lately. and lobes are enlarged. I can tell they are higher and fuller. wish I could measure!
also sometimes I take 2-3 extra msm a day so 4-7g a day
haven't missed any msm or fennel

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Re: kieyah's program page August 25 2009, 6:36 PM

I am adding tagamet for acne. starting out at 400mg
hope it works

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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2010, 12:27 AM

So after loosing weight and then stopping MSM for a month and losing the gains from that I started back on MSM and gains are back. I am a 32E again. as an added bonus my eye lashes are ginormously long! Boobs are so way sore so I have been massaging some and using heating pad. Thinking I might add BB back in if I can still fit the domes.

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Re: kieyah's program page January 6 2010, 5:40 AM

Hi Kieyah!

I hope you are doing good. That is great news that you are now a 32E! WOW! I would hope to be that size one day, I was actually wanting a D at first. Then I thought a DD, now I'm thinking a 32E may be great!

Also, congrats on the weight! How much weight did you lose? I bet those E's look even better. But what size were you before? Last time I read you were a DD, what happened?

What is your current routine?



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Re: kieyah's program page January 15 2010, 2:46 AM

I must have typed that wrong. I am a 32DD. I can wear 32E in some bras but as we all know not all brands are sized the same. It's not as big as it sounds. I think I look only like a big C cup but C's definately don't fit me not even close! I was sized 32DD by a professional. I actually fill 34D bras but the band is way too loose around my ribs. I have done so very many things to get to where I am. My body responds quickly but also seems to get used to things very quickly and then they stop working, so I keep changing things up to keep my body guessing and that seems to work well for me.

Currently I take 8grams MSM in two divided doses per day. Once in a while I add other things in for a few days or a week and then stop them to help trigger another growth spurt. Things I add in once in a while are fennel, massage, heating pad, BB machine, now I have some dried chicken feet (can't get fresh here) so I plan to try adding that in for a while soon. The MSM is the only thing I am keeping consistant right now. When my boobs stop being sore for a few days I add something until they are sore again. I also take yaz bcp continuously so that I don't have a period but just when I feel I need one & that probably helps because I don't get temporary cycle/luteal swelling and don't lose everything each month that I do gain.

I had lost 15 pounds but with the MSM I have gained about 5 of those back because MSM makes me hungry all the time. I really was a nice cup size before I lost weight. Trying to lose that last 5 pounds again and yet still get my E cup back. It's like a tug of war!

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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2010, 12:44 AM

Hey Kieyah I was wondering how long has your program taken you to get back to your d cups or what size you are now ^_^


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pictures October 17 2010, 7:17 AM

Have you consided posting pictures? I have had 4 children and have gained hope from your posting. I havent started yet. Any advise on how to get the quickest results..Noticed you rested from certain herbs why Thanks



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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:43 PM

I am now DD or E cup. but I still want to lose a little weight and keep my current boobs.

During my old programs I rested from herbs so that they would continue to have effect. Homeostasis makes our bodies used to things we are regularly exposed to. I get this way with allergy/sinus medication and over the counter pain medications and others. So I assume the herbs are similar effect in my body. After several weeks or months on the same allergy medication my body simply will no longer respond to it or responds less to it so I have to switch to some other allergy medication. Once I feel I am having no more effect or less effect of a certain herb I stop taking that herb for a while.

I have pictures posted on the picture page. I don't have recent pictures because I have not been doing NBE in almost a year now! I can't say for sure which method was fastest. I don't think any of them were particularly fast. I remember feeling the most sore and the most swelling on MSM and that didn't take very long, but it also made me gain some weight. I grew the most using the BB suction device, but that was over a longer period of time. Also the GY's massage technique was very fast but such a burden to do for so long every day and it was temporary results. Wonderup seemed to have opposite effect on me! The BB helped a tremendous amount with growth and sagging. Magnets I feel helped the most with making them perky and toned/firm again (like a teenager perky again).

So I guess they all worked together in different ways to contribute to the boobs I am so happy to own today. I would still like them to be fuller and stand more out from my chest wall but they are very nice shape, no sag whatsoever, and I am thrilled. The only thing that only gave me temporary results was the GY massages. Of course some of the swelling from BB was went away after stop using but most was permanent. My only complaint about my boobs now is that they sit very close together (I have narrow rib cage) so they don't stand up off my chest wall from the sides. So look much smaller from the side but from the front I have great cleavage and they are perfect shape from front! Of course we are all different but hope this helps

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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:52 PM

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New program 12/3/10
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So I am wanting to lose some weight (10-15 lbs) and still maintain my growth I have accomplished. Here is my plan:

Low carb diet. I will start out with 20-40 grams of carbs per day. I have finally found chicken feet so I am going to try chicken feet soup (CFS) for as long as I have access to the feet. Which means I will have to massage daily because the CFS program requires massage before you drink the broth or eat the feet. I will boil them in water into a broth with chicken bullion for flavor and might add other things like chicken pieces, hard boiled eggs and veggies. I probably won't eat the feet lol. I don't know how long I will have access to these so I will stock up for as long as my store offers them.
I also plan to use BB machine again to help maintain my size and take 5-7 grams MSM daily. I have not been able to find my favorite brand of MSM (NOW foods) so I am still on the look out for those. AS far as exercise, I am not trying to lose that much weight and don't want to lose my boobs so I am not going to do cardio or anything like that. I plan to only do some pilates strengthening exercises.

Also I am 32 years old now


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Re: kieyah's program page December 11 2010, 4:07 AM

I have already lost a couple pounds! Yeah I know I"m not looking to lose very much weight but I still want to keep all of my awesome boobage! I have lost a bit of fullness. Not sure how much in terms of inches since I didn't pre-measure. Here is my current measurement though.

@ nipple level: 39.25"

just to make it clear, I am not looking to grow anymore. I am very pleased with my size and shape, tho I wouldn't mind a bit more on the sides. I just want to lose some weight and maintain my hard earned lovely boobies while losing 10-15 lbs.

So the chicken feet soup, not so flavorful or tasty even with added bullion. So I'm working on a way to make that more appetizing. I may just boil it down to concentrate it so that I can just gulp it down. I will work on this over the next week and report back. I didn't mind it too bad mixed with some tomato soup tho I don't like it everyday and I can't seem to do that before bed due to the acid. Also my MSM hasn't come in yet.




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Re: kieyah's program page December 13 2010, 6:02 PM

This time I'm going to cook the feet in broth instead of water. So the broth is already flavorful and yummy and I may not have to add anything else to it. Hopefully the addition of the feet won't make it ichy. We shall see. I'm also going to try boiling it down to condense it if it ends up still being ichy so that I can take it in a quick gulp like medicine instead of having to sip it like soup. I haven't been very good a massaging and stuff (as usual) but I have noticed that when I do, I get some great swelling which is kinda weird. I never heard of simply massaging causing swelling, interesting. I didn't expect that at all. It actually kinda motivates me to want to massage now.

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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2010, 1:46 PM

adding MSM today as they arrived now

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[girlfriday29]

wow Kieyah! Sounds like you are an expert.

I just had a quick look through your program page. I was interested to see you discussed collagen quite a bit, and took gelatin too. There has been some discussion on the Board about collagen recently, people wondering what dosage level is sufficient etc.

Do you have any recommendations for taking gelatin and collagen together? I'm currently taking Neocell collagen pills, and I have just purchased some Neocell collagen powder as I am sick of swallowing so many pills. Would you recommend also making a gelatin drink too? My understanding is that gelatin turns in to collagen right?

Anyhow, thanks for posting your program again.

[kieyah]

I'm no expert but I have tried almost everything! Most of them with at least some degree success each time.

I don't think collagen and gelatin are exactly the same thing, or maybe they are just processed or extracted differently somehow. The reason I feel this way is because when I was taking collagen pills my lips plumped up wonderfully and my skin glowed. But no boob effects were noted but I was only taking the dose recommended on the bottle, about 1500mg I think. Also mine had vit C in it as it is thought to be required in order for body to use the collagen. When I was taking gelatin drinks my nails grew like crazy, really white tips, super healthy and almost unbreakable and my hair grew fast but none of the facial or lip effects or vice versa with the collagen. Not sure why that would be except that collagen and gelatin are extremely similar but not exactly the same, or perhaps extracted or processed differently. Either way I had very different effects from each of them.

Also I tried several types of gelatin pills at strong doses with absolutely no affect at all. Only the knox gelatin drink gave me the affect. Which was upsetting because I hated the aspartame and orange flavor and it is the only flavor it comes in and it is expensive. Maybe you could try making something out of that knox gelatin powder from the baking isle? Not sure how many grams are in that but it might work. Would be way cheaper anyway.

Hope that helps

[kieyah]

So far I've already lost 5 pounds and I can tell I've lost a lot of fullness too. I haven't been sticking with my routine so I must really get on it now to keep from losing any more on top. I'm not too worried though. Mostly concentrating on losing 5 to 10 more pounds. I can always gain back any boob losses if necessary. I'm still searching for the perfect CFS recipe. I can tell it works when I drink it but man do I hate to drink it. I can sure tell I get a lot of swelling when I massage too. I go from simply over flowing my bra a bit to having a butt crack of cleavage after massaging. It's kind of funny! And fun!

[girlfriday29]

thanks Kieyah. I have only noticed longer nails, but no plump lips! That would be awesome. I'll check out the brand you mentioned. Thanks for your help!

[eva_bs]

Hi Kieyah's!!!!
Wow!!! What a program!!!!!!
I am like you! I want to try everything out there for my boobs to grow!
But Now I am only taking BO and using the NB.
Congrats on the 5 pounds that you lost! Keep it up!!! I am sure you will lose the other 10 pounds too!
I wanted to ask you about the Grow Your's massage.
How does it work? is the massage really hard to do? how much time does it take to do those massages? What is so unique in the massages? (I mean that I saw lots of massages on YouTube)
I was thinking to sign up for the GY program but I read so many negiteve posts about it.
Some women say that their boobs got saggyer and the massage made them preduce milk....
Do you recommend the GY massages?
Sorry for all my questions...but I am interested in the GY.
Thank you for all the update you did on this forum!
Good Luck with your diet!!!
Eva.

[kieyah]

NO problem. The GY massage is very time consuming. Basically you are massaging the breast for a long period of time every single day until the lobes inside your breasts become swollen, then you begin concentrating on massaging the lobes which makes them swell even more. like from pea size to grape size. It is these swollen lobes that make the breasts larger, so you keep working on these lobes keeping them swollen and eventually maintaining all day long enlargement. And I'm sorry to break it to you but it is only temporary enlargement. If you quit massaging the enlargement will go away. Now I think they claim that if you reach your goal you can let up some on the massage but I never did any maintenance massage so I don't know about that. Also you squeeze and massage nipples a bit which can eventually cause you to produce a bit of colostrum (not breast milk). It takes a lot of time and dedication. If I recall I think it took me about 45 minutes per session, with two sessions a day. To me this is a LOT of work for temporary results. This is also what made me never want to massage again, unless my boobs are way sore. But if you're dedicated and have the time and don't mind sticking with it long-term go for it! Personally I think they charge an outrageous price just for some simple massage techniques that yield only temporary results. Now if they were permanent results that might be different. Personally I wouldn't pay that for the routine. Maybe if it was about a fourth of the price, I think they do have a sale once in a while at least they used to. Sorry post so long!

[eva_bs]

OOOO...Thank you dear!
I wonder how no one show these kind of massages on YouTube.
Is it that complicated?
Wow 45 minutes for 1 session? That's really a lot.
Yahh The price is high.
Thank you for answering all my question!