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So I thought Id revisit this as it just seems too promising and yet I literally cannot find ANYTHING study related to its hormonal properties yet African women absolutely swear by it claiming it increases curves by increasing estrogen and progesterone in the body, yet there are listings for its oil and in capsule form labelling it a testosterone booster so Im just so damn confused! Lotus? Any ideas about this? Before I buy it I want to make sure it doesnt do anything I dont want it to do even though Im post op and take other herbs which are pro aromatase Id just like to know what Im buying! I keep seeing videos upon videos upon videos on youtube and tiktok boasting about this seeds potential! It does seem to have a very good nutritional profile but thats all I could find 

I'm not sure if this forum is still active or not? I saw surferJoe recommend this site on a reddit sub about nbe. I am just starting my program and wondering about herbal routines with my cycle. I am currently taking twice a day

Fenugreek 2410mg
OptiMSM 1500mg
Mixed maca 1900mg

I also take multi collagen, sea moss combo, a whole food multi, 10,000iu vit D, and Bupropion daily. I massage at least twice daily and rub them with flaxseed oil in the evening. I eat lots of soy like tofu, seitan, edamame, milk, and some faux meats occasionally as I'm mostly vegetarian. I don't use dairy but I've been eating salmon or eggs a few times a week and try to gear my diet twords Mediterranean style so lots of nuts, seeds, avocado, olives and olive oil, etc. I don't eat many carbs like rice, potatoes, breads, pasta, etc but I do eat lots of fruits and veggies. I don't eat specifically low carb, just avoid starchy foods. 

I have just started this week and haven't had a chance to get a tape measure yet. This was all started bc I had dramatic volume loss after extended breastfeeding of 3 plus 60# weight loss and was very insecure of my breasts. I got a fat transfer exactly a month ago and loved the results. I did lots of research and was following best practice recommendations to a T (that is why I've started eating Mediterranean and incorporated fish and eggs, plus I took a bottle of red sage to help with circulation but I've just finished it a few days ago.) Despite this I've still lost so much swelling and initial plumpness. 

I do still have good results but I want to hopefully get back to where I was immediately post op. Before my weight loss I was a 36D, but they deflated so much and I was no longer filling it & clipping the tightest hooks but still having trouble with slipping. I had already lost perkiness but weight loss plus returning to baseline hormones after stopping nursing left them (and me) very sad. I have stopped wearing a bra (part of post op instructions) and don't plan to return to one as they have shown to increase sagging plus it's so comfy and better for outfits lol. I am probably back to a D cup but closer to a 34 if I had to guess but I will measure as soon as I can to track results. I have a non hormonal copper IUD.

Ok after all that back story: I am about to start my period soon and wondering if I should be cycling any of my supps? Or take all 3 throughout my cycle? I will also be adding low dose Minoxidil, dhea & spironolactone next week as I'm trying to get thicker hair (COVID caused thinning). Dhea and spironolactone are anti-androgen and combat body hair caused by the minox treatment. I'm surprised not to see Spiro mentioned here as it's frequently prescribed to decrease testosterone in women. PS for anyone looking to help their hair: topical minox has helped tremendously but low dose oral is supposed to help even more. I'm hoping they will also help my bust as growth is listed as a common side effect of Spiro. Plus it helps with acne & water weight so like, win win win all around bb! Anyways, i think that's all for now. I will get copies of my before pictures from the surgeon and have been documenting my recovery to see my results so I can hopefully post progress pictures as they grow. I'm more interested in fullness and perkiness than cup size growth but I won't mind it of course!

Hi, i searched the forum but haven't found anything about this oil. The ingredients don't match anything traditionally recommended in NBE programs and on this forum.

https://www.kairaliproducts.in/kairbosso...ngredients

Does it work (if the reviews are true) mainly by increasing bloodflow?

I know that using high doses of phytoestrogens is quite common, such as missmadscientist's soy and flax method, which is quite popular on this forum. However, the more that I look into it, there are a few things that don't make sense to me.

Phytoestrogens mimic real estrogen by binding into the same receptors that estrogen would. This is why it is believed to reduce the risk of breast cancer, by reducing the amount of estrogen that bind to the receptors. By this logic, it should hinder breast growth, not increase it. I'm not sure why breast growth from phytoestrogens would have any less of a cancer risk than using natural estrogenic methods like PM or BO etc. It seems like whatever method you use, breast growth = increased cancer risk. What is the cancer risk of NBE methods, realistically?

On the same topic, why is it that natural breast growth from puberty or pregnancy doesn't have a risk of breast cancer (at least that I know of), but using hormonal methods have the risk? As someone with a family history of cancer, this is a big concern of mine that's looming on me as I go through my NBE journey. I'd love to know what you guys think.

Hey there! Im genderfluid and looking for a natural way to enhance my breasts. I dont want to go through HRT as I mainly just want bigger breasts and maybe a more hourglass shape. 

From doing my research on here iv been thinking of taking fenugreek and reishi to help, as well as massaging every day. Any tips on if this will help, or any additional supplements I may want to look at? Fenugreek and reishi are the two most easily accessible to me (at my local walmart) but would look into other options if need be! Thank you

I'm already struggling with appetite (if anybody has suggestions on increasing this I'd love to hear it) and I read somewhere that goats rue has been used to decrease appetite, even though I read that high levels of prolactin usually increase appetite so that part is pretty confusing.

I recently added goats rue to my program based on BustyP's suggestion and it does seem to be helping a lot but I'm worried if it might actually reduce appetite. Any insight into this would be appreciated.

Hello everyone, I accidentally found this link in one of the topics, but I forgot where. Has anyone tried this method? Is there an effect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnDLAweszvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW6ZdvY2IQ

Split morning ish and before bed 
1800  fenugreek 
2400  shavarti
4000  msm
500mg  x vit c
1x Dr derg Vit d +k
1200  aloe vera
1000 colostrum 
1000 saw palmetto extract 
1200 Berberine 
1gx Ovastistol 
2gx pumpkin seed oil
1000mg Flaxseed
400mg chasteberry fruit at night
Sprintec birth control 
1 x Vit b complex
2.5 pumps progesterone cream with few drops volufiline  massage at night
1 scoop vital proteins collagen
1 packet placenta c jelly 
1000mg beet root lunch/morning

(Goats rue tincture and capsules on the way)

Is ancestral supplements placenta a good thing to add. Has 1500mg bovine placenta and 1500 beef liver. Done side is it's 6 pills a serving 

So this is my current routine. I'm currently 34d and looking to increase to whatever I can get without increasing midsection fat too much. Is there anything I should change, add, or delete from the program? Tried the flaxseed massage. Didn't like the oil on my sheets tho

I've had success with my regiment (2 cup sizes) over the past 6 months, but progress really slowed so I took a two week break in January and got back to my regiment about 3 weeks ago. I think there might be some steady growth, but it is super hard to tell and I haven't had the telltale signs of growth that I've had in the past since coming back. Should I just be patient? Is 3 weeks since my break just too soon to think about changing the regiment in any way?

Should I try out different herbs? Heard good things about goats rue, but I know that it is similar to fenugreek so if I tried that should I cut out the fenugreek or do both?

Here's my current program, spread over the day:
- 2,400 fenugreek extract (50% saponins)

Hello, so a little about me

I'm 20 years old, 5'4 tall, female

haven't had hormones tested, just tested out for having vitamin D deficiency, but I suspect I have PCO'S: black body hair EVERYWHERE even though my hair is light brown, slightly tuberous breasts, irregular menstruation, moody, always bloated no matter how little I eat, back, chest acne and very slight acne on the face, oily hair, you name it.

Been a 38B cup since I was 12, my breasts are slightly asymmetrical, the left one is a full B, right is a C cup, hence so far I'm just massaging the little one.

measurements:
Band: 35 inches
Cup: 39 inches

So I started only with fenugreek supplement and oil 3 months ago for 2 weeks, had to quit it cause it made me gain incredible amounts of weight, constipation, worsened acne, and gave me a rash on my left breast... Scariest part, my skin around my left breast was starting to feel extremely rough to the point it was hard to move them during massage, so I had to quit cold turkey, since I read those are symptoms of fibrocystic breasts, geez.

I went a little crazy and bought all the supplements needed for breast growth I believed could be best for my body. So I have bought:

PM from Ainterol 500 mg
Goat's Rue from Vegavero 5.500 mg
BO from Swansons
White Peony from Life Extension 600 mg
WY from vit4ever 880 mg
MSM from Solgar 1000 mg

Oils for massage daytime:

Licorice, Goat's Rue, Fennel

Cream for nighttime:

Progesterone from Wild yam 

Teas during the day:

Spearmint, Turmeric, Fennel, Licorice, Maca with green tea.

Diet:

Coffee with almond milk and fruits in the morning, protein lunch usually rice and chicken, and salad for dinner, always with nuts and raisins. I cut dairy products since I've noticed they worsened my acne. 


Like I said I went a bit crazy, but so far I'm slowly incorporating each one, what I don't know it's:
what dosage should I take of each or if this combination is too much, should I take something out?

What my program has been 2 months ago, noticed some tenderness and more roundness throughout the end of the month:

2x PM 500 mg everyday. 
Only had Fennel oil at that time so massaged just with that.

My program this month (plus teas and massage with oils):

2x PM 500 mg every day
4x Goat's Rue 5.500 mg 

Massage with Fennel, goat's rue, and licorice oils
(Still waiting for the PC cream to arrive on the mail)

I've noticed some slight growth, gained maybe half an inch on both breasts and they seem more symmetrical, have noticed some weight loss, skin looks better, bras are uncomfortable too, and almost all the time feel tenderness.

Just a few days I discovered about cycling and correct PM dosages, it seems I should only be taking 1x 500 mg if it's from Ainterol during all phases and zero intake during menstruation? I still don't have this very clear, I would really appreciate if anyone could explain it or send a thread where it has been explained   my period is coming very late this month and I'm afraid I won't have it. 

I'll be incorporating Wild Yam next, but like I said I have no idea what dosages I should be taking considering this combination, I would sooo much appreciate any help or info!! 

Dream size is 38DD  :')